Every day tips for living with a 599

[cake eater]

Hughesie said:

Ahh - i see now the black/grey box

on top of the callipers feeds it in - ignore me !

[cake eater]

leglessAlex said:

Just as well you didn't get the calipers painted, that's going to make it marginally less painful when a stiny stone gets between the brake and wheel

That looks fab. Nothing more purposeful than a brake setup that totally fills the wheel!

Stones

[ANOpax]

cake eater said:

cake eater said:

cake eater said:

More on the brakes today

Only problem is that the challenge wheels won't fit. So I'll have to sell them if anyone is interested.

Haven't test fitted the F12 rims so I'm a little nervous waiting for the results.

Good news, F12 rims fit

It's a close fit but they freely

Are you running spacers on those F12 wheels? The offsets are 5-8mm deeper than stock 599 wheels (on wider rims) or 8-10mm deeper than GTO on same width rims.

Given that you're going all GTO on the car and the F12 rims are the same widh as GTO rims, are you also upsizing to GTO tyre sizes as well?

[cake eater]

ANOpax said:

cake eater said:

cake eater said:

cake eater said:

More on the brakes today

Only problem is that the challenge wheels won't fit. So I'll have to sell them if anyone is interested.

Haven't test fitted the F12 rims so I'm a little nervous waiting for the results.

Good news, F12 rims fit

It's a close fit but they freely

Are you running spacers on those F12 wheels? The offsets are 5-8mm deeper than stock 599 wheels (on wider rims) or 8-10mm deeper than GTO on same width rims.

Given that you're going all GTO on the car and the F12 rims are the same widh as GTO rims, are you also upsizing to GTO tyre sizes as well?

Hi ANOpax,

Good questions.

For the F12 rims I use the Titanium bolts, so no spacers. For reference, with the challenge rims I ran 20mm spacers all around and 20mm longer bolts.

For tyres on the F12 rims I run MPS cup2 in 285 section front and 325 rear (standard GTO size is 315) it's difficult getting matched tyres in the exact GTO sizes.

Fronts


Rears


From subjective experience, the BMW * marked 285 (actually designed as a rear) on the front goes well with the unmarked 325 rear.

Mercedes AMG marked 285 MO1 and 325 MO or unmarked rear go well together

I would like to change to pirelli trofero RS but my preferred sizes aren't available unless I change sizes and rims. However I do think it would be overall a better tyre package if I changed.



Nakang CR-S would also be a good option in 285/325 and it has very good reviews but I have been told that they're very subjective to set up so I'm wary.
https://www.nankang.eu/index.php?id_category=73&am...

[cake eater]

I could run cup 2r in the correct GTO sizes (and they would be Ferrari K marked) but I want something I'm not too nervous to drive in the rain. Cup 2 have proven to be surprisingly capable in the cold and wet when new.

[leglessAlex]

Interesting choices there cake, I had Cup2s on the A110 until last month, they're my favourite road tyre. I find them far more progressive than PS4 or PS4S.

But they do get a little hairy in the cold and wet, with less than half the power you'll be putting through them!

[Hughesie]

I'm looking at a set of the CR-S tyres as my next set in +1 sizes

The wet weather performance scares me as we do a lot of conti stuff so may just stick with the MPS4S till the MPS6S are ready !

Edited by Hughesie on Wednesday 25th February 16:17

[cake eater]

Tyres are such an interesting subject to get nerdy over.

For performance trackday work I do like the Michelin Cup tyre but now it's getting old and I think other brands have gone one better

https://youtu.be/8eyy3kK8tcg?si=sRenhLAE3TiOmxic

This guy also has a video comparing Cup2 N (Porsche marked) Vs CR-S

Having said all that legless, I still choose Cup2, I guess there's comfort in what you know. And I know I have to be very gentle with throttle and steering input in the cold and wet.

Hughesie, I do rate the MPS4s but I think it's also an old tyre that's been superceded now. For touring, especially considering concern for wet performance I think I'd choose conti

Conti sport contact 7
https://www.continental-tires.com/products/car/tir...

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Continental/Sport...

Pirelli pz5
https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/car/catalogue/...

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Pirelli/P-Zero-PZ...

Problem with the Pirelli is you need to go offset 20/21" to get the width.

So much good choice

PS I'm wary of using US tyre reviews as I was told many years ago that the tyres are different in construction / compound for US than EU (even if same brand and model). Probably BS but it's something that's suck in my mind.

[NGK210]

Just in case you’re wondering if life with a 599’s younger sibling – ie, an FF or F12 – would be less challenging…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UZMoUrArFbc

[928 GTS]

cake eater said:

Conti sport contact 7
https://www.continental-tires.com/products/car/tir...

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Continental/Sport...

PS I'm wary of using US tyre reviews as I was told many years ago that the tyres are different in construction / compound for US than EU (even if same brand and model). Probably BS but it's something that's suck in my mind.

Some are different. So different that they sell totally different model Conti's over there. Continental ExtremeContact Sport 02 instead of Sport Contact 7. AFAIK difference is US version do not meet EU noise regulations.

[cake eater]

928 GTS said:

cake eater said:

Conti sport contact 7
https://www.continental-tires.com/products/car/tir...

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Continental/Sport...

PS I'm wary of using US tyre reviews as I was told many years ago that the tyres are different in construction / compound for US than EU (even if same brand and model). Probably BS but it's something that's suck in my mind.

Some are different. So different that they sell totally different model Conti's over there. Continental ExtremeContact Sport 02 instead of Sport Contact 7. AFAIK difference is US version do not meet EU noise regulations.

While watching the tyre reviews YouTube channel I think he also mentioned that models not available in the EU are due to not meeting some EU labeling standard.

ANOpax also got me thinking, maybe my rim choice is not helping to get the best from the tyre.

A little googling brought up this article, which basically says go to the maximum recommended rim width for tyre size.
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/wheel-w...

It's also interesting as it states that the size of the contact patch doesn't change but the shape does, helping to keep the tyre in contact as the cornering load increases.

Which made me check recommend tyre/rim width and I'm at the minimum to optimum recommended rim size.

So obviously I need new rims which brought me to this article
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a70212910...

And then this website
https://www.braid-performance.com/custom-wheels-fo...

I did really like the litespeed options but wanted a European/ UK option.

Anyway, just daydreaming at the moment

[cake eater]

NGK210 said:

Just in case you re wondering if life with a 599 s younger sibling ie, an FF or F12 would be less challenging
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UZMoUrArFbc

Expensive donkey, very expensive donkeys

[ANOpax]

NGK210 said:

Just in case you re wondering if life with a 599 s younger sibling ie, an FF or F12 would be less challenging
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UZMoUrArFbc

Whilst Hollywood Mechanic's work on the PTU has been a godsend to the US FF/Lusso community, this particular video is wide of the mark.
The problems mentioned do, of course, occur but you'd have to be extremely unlucky to have experienced all 17 of them by year 12. I ran a poll on FChat around this video and nobody has stepped forward to admit that they've suffered all the mentioned failures. In fact, the majority of owners seem to have suffered three or four of the 17 mentioned and that's it.

[ANOpax]

cake eater said:

ANOpax also got me thinking, maybe my rim choice is not helping to get the best from the tyre.

A little googling brought up this article, which basically says go to the maximum recommended rim width for tyre size.
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/wheel-w...

It's also interesting as it states that the size of the contact patch doesn't change but the shape does, helping to keep the tyre in contact as the cornering load increases.

Which made me check recommend tyre/rim width and I'm at the minimum to optimum recommended rim size.

So obviously I need new rims which brought me to this article
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a70212910...

And then this website
https://www.braid-performance.com/custom-wheels-fo...

I did really like the litespeed options but wanted a European/ UK option.

Anyway, just daydreaming at the moment

Cake, you may already have seen it but this article is helpful for anyone considering a move away from stock wheel and tyre setups.
https://motoiq.com/how-to-properly-select-and-size...

[cake eater]

ANOpax said:

Cake, you may already have seen it but this article is helpful for anyone considering a move away from stock wheel and tyre setups.
https://motoiq.com/how-to-properly-select-and-size...

Thank you

[NGK210]

ANOpax said:

NGK210 said:

Just in case you re wondering if life with a 599 s younger sibling ie, an FF or F12 would be less challenging
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UZMoUrArFbc

Whilst Hollywood Mechanic's work on the PTU has been a godsend to the US FF/Lusso community, this particular video is wide of the mark.
The problems mentioned do, of course, occur but you'd have to be extremely unlucky to have experienced all 17 of them by year 12. I ran a poll on FChat around this video and nobody has stepped forward to admit that they've suffered all the mentioned failures. In fact, the majority of owners seem to have suffered three or four of the 17 mentioned and that's it.

Don’t want to hijack Cake’s thread.
But is it possible owners didn’t respond to the questionnaire because an honest response en masse would’ve triggered a decline in FF / Lusso values?
A discussion for another thread, another time, perhaps?

[cake eater]

NGK210 said:

Don t want to hijack Cake s thread.
But is it possible owners didn t respond to the questionnaire because an honest response en masse would ve triggered a decline in FF / Lusso values?
A discussion for another thread, another time, perhaps?

I'm sure on the forums there's quite a few that just read and don't post. I do think that you'd be really unlucky to experience all the issues in the video, even for a hard driven, higher mileage FF / Lusso. I don't think that a questionnaire on fchat would change the perceived value, though there's at least one person on PH that has steered clear of a 599 because of this thread but this thread hasn't dropped 599 values.

Your post actually got me watching FF / Lusso videos and reading buying / ownership articles and looking through the classifieds wondering if my dream of a two donkey garage should be two front engine V12s instead of adding a mid engine V8?

FF does look like a very good option and in one of the ownership threads I read, an owner had added sound insulation to the boot and wheel wells to make the car quieter for rear passengers. Again, like the 599, it seems that later the year the better.

[ANOpax]

cake eater said:

Your post actually got me watching FF / Lusso videos and reading buying / ownership articles and looking through the classifieds wondering if my dream of a two donkey garage should be two front engine V12s instead of adding a mid engine V8?

FF does look like a very good option.

I can highly recommend it (as can a few other owners over on FChat).

[cake eater]

ANOpax said:

cake eater said:

Your post actually got me watching FF / Lusso videos and reading buying / ownership articles and looking through the classifieds wondering if my dream of a two donkey garage should be two front engine V12s instead of adding a mid engine V8?

FF does look like a very good option.

I can highly recommend it (as can a few other owners over on FChat).

Just glorious: D

[supersport]

Lovely.

My F12 has been in winter hibernation and I can’t wait to get her out again. I wasn’t sure when I first got it, but I never felt like this about the V8s. Such amazing cars.