Every day tips for living with a 599
Discussion
cake eater said:
I do agree with the concerns of results on a near 300 bhp FWD platform Vs how they will translate to a 600 bhp RWD platform, particularly given the weight difference.
However, I still think there's merit in the results. I'm looking to change away from Michelin as I believe there's better tyres on the market now. Continental SC7 look a good bet and have the right sizes.
But new Pirelli PZR looks even better. Thing is, I know the Michelin, Pirelli have come from having such a bad reputation, it really does feel like taking a risk.
Can confirm that the Conti SC7 is great as the F12 is on those but we don t track the car and the Michelin PSS which came off the F12 were aged out so it s not a fair comparison. However, Macca owners on SC7 report good things on both road and track. However, I still think there's merit in the results. I'm looking to change away from Michelin as I believe there's better tyres on the market now. Continental SC7 look a good bet and have the right sizes.
But new Pirelli PZR looks even better. Thing is, I know the Michelin, Pirelli have come from having such a bad reputation, it really does feel like taking a risk.
The FF s MPS4S are due for replacement this year and P Zero R are available in the sizes I need
Edited by ANOpax on Tuesday 17th March 18:34
ANOpax said:
Can confirm that the Conti SC7 is great as the F12 is on those but we don t track the car and the Michelin PSS which came off the F12 were aged out so it s not a fair comparison. However, Macca owners on SC7 report good things on both road and track.
The FF s MPS4S are due for replacement this year and P Zero R are available in the sizes I need
Great picture of your car The FF s MPS4S are due for replacement this year and P Zero R are available in the sizes I need
Edited by ANOpax on Tuesday 17th March 18:34
PZR do look like a great option. Tyre reviews said he has another test later in the year with an M3
cake eater said:
Good bloody Lord.I've seen some really nice custom trimmed Tilletts in a 599 I think.
leglessAlex said:
cake eater said:
Good bloody Lord.I've seen some really nice custom trimmed Tilletts in a 599 I think.
And the Tilletts will be significantly lighter and cheaper
https://recaro-automotive.com/fileadmin/00-corpora...
I've had a seat in these and they're supremely comfortable, they do a none carbon version too but I suspect will still be extremely expensive once you get them trimmed to match.
I've had a seat in these and they're supremely comfortable, they do a none carbon version too but I suspect will still be extremely expensive once you get them trimmed to match.
Hughesie said:
Those P-Zero R tyres would have to be amazing, just priced them up - they are £400 more than PS4S and more than double the cost of the Conti SC7
Conti SC7s are the bargain of the Premium Performance tyre category. In normal use, that’s offset by significantly higher wear rates but most supercar tyres end up lifed out rather than worn out so it’s not an issue. PRO5T said:
https://recaro-automotive.com/fileadmin/00-corpora...
I've had a seat in these and they're supremely comfortable, they do a none carbon version too but I suspect will still be extremely expensive once you get them trimmed to match.
Initially I was looking at recaro, particularly the pole position as I've found them very comfortable in other cars. But when I went to GSM performance for some reason they just didn't fit me. The SPG version did seem better than the pole position.I've had a seat in these and they're supremely comfortable, they do a none carbon version too but I suspect will still be extremely expensive once you get them trimmed to match.
Then again, when I looked at getting it trimmed and the weight, just didn't compare well to the Tilletts.
I did look at the Recaro podium CF seat you suggested but I didn't feel like it matched the interior of the car. I know that the Tilletts don't but these just looked too much to me and reminds me of a BMW seat.
I've been naughty and gone and done something I shouldn't have.
The GTB boot lip spoiler has always looked a little emasculated. I don't really like the aftermarket ones on offer. I didn't want to buy a GTO boot. So I've engaged Robin at
https://rabtarcomposite.ch/
to see about designing a boot lip spoiler.
So I've been doing a little research for something functional, that won't spoil the look of the car
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/simple-...
https://youtu.be/-M3gB2LidtI?si=n6Xoy_kM4Nf74Ihm
As well as looking at articles/ YouTube videos from Julian Edgar
https://youtube.com/@julianedgar?si=oATA5XkcCs-Tp-...
Anyway, let's see how this progresses
The GTB boot lip spoiler has always looked a little emasculated. I don't really like the aftermarket ones on offer. I didn't want to buy a GTO boot. So I've engaged Robin at
https://rabtarcomposite.ch/
to see about designing a boot lip spoiler.
So I've been doing a little research for something functional, that won't spoil the look of the car
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/simple-...
https://youtu.be/-M3gB2LidtI?si=n6Xoy_kM4Nf74Ihm
As well as looking at articles/ YouTube videos from Julian Edgar
https://youtube.com/@julianedgar?si=oATA5XkcCs-Tp-...
Anyway, let's see how this progresses
Hughesie said:
Good effort - if it looks any better than some of the tat out there i could be interested as long as it doesnt look like this:
Yeah, I'll do my best to make it 80s max power
So online there's a big range.
Here are some options on the internet.
Ferrari.com 599 XX pic
Vorsteiner xx programme - very similar
Something more subtle (called Duke Dynamics in Canada but they don't make it any more and no longer have the mould)
https://hodoor.world/product/duke-dynamics-body-ki...
I'm thinking something between the two, functional, effective but subtle and in keeping with the car
I'd also appreciate ideas
t IMHO, big and bulk 
Christ, but whoever came up with some of the above should never be allowed near anything that affects air flow ever again. Which about sums up most ppl in the car design world.
Ping me if you need Brother, once upon a time this was my world. These days I mostly deal with the second half of the aerospace wor(L)d.
Ping me if you need Brother, once upon a time this was my world. These days I mostly deal with the second half of the aerospace wor(L)d.
DeejRC said:
Christ, but whoever came up with some of the above should never be allowed near anything that affects air flow ever again. Which about sums up most ppl in the car design world.
Ping me if you need Brother, once upon a time this was my world. These days I mostly deal with the second half of the aerospace wor(L)d.
Hi DeejRC, I'll definitely check with you once I have design options.Ping me if you need Brother, once upon a time this was my world. These days I mostly deal with the second half of the aerospace wor(L)d.
This is a screenshot of the 3D scans of my 599 GTB (right hand image) and also a GTO to see the difference and possibilities. One of Lee's customers very kindly agreed to allow me to have his car scanned.
I also like the more subtle BMW lip spoiler and the visual effect of the notch but obviously the notch doesn't help aerodynamics and I want something functionally better than OEM. From one of the videos I watched the lip spoiler can help the diffuser be more effective while also adding a higher pressure area above the boot without significantly increasing drag.
I've also bought the Novitec front spoiler and rear diffuser (to be installed after prepping)
https://www.royalbodykits.com/collections/ferrari-...
RBK were significantly cheaper than the UK importer.
But it also has to be pretty. I didn't think the haman or the novitec boot spoiler to be pretty and I wasn't convinced of it's functionality. Novitec did verbally assure me that all their parts are tested to prove effective.
Vorsteiner vxx is just too bulky though I'm sure it's effective.
I am glad you didn’t buy that novitec rear wing, after you said it had to be pretty - that is uuugly.
Two points to always consider:
1) Front and rear aero always works in conjunction, not isolation
2) Rear diffusers on road cars are almost always useless. You, though, are arguably the exception to the rule as you are Mr 599 Track Car - ergo you will probably get a diffuser actually working for you.
This raises a very different consideration though - you want/need a proper working bit of kit. Anything you buy as a bit of road car fashion accessory will almost certainly *not* provide or work as you require/expect.
Two points to always consider:
1) Front and rear aero always works in conjunction, not isolation
2) Rear diffusers on road cars are almost always useless. You, though, are arguably the exception to the rule as you are Mr 599 Track Car - ergo you will probably get a diffuser actually working for you.
This raises a very different consideration though - you want/need a proper working bit of kit. Anything you buy as a bit of road car fashion accessory will almost certainly *not* provide or work as you require/expect.
DeejRC said:
I am glad you didn t buy that novitec rear wing, after you said it had to be pretty - that is uuugly.
Two points to always consider:
1) Front and rear aero always works in conjunction, not isolation
2) Rear diffusers on road cars are almost always useless. You, though, are arguably the exception to the rule as you are Mr 599 Track Car - ergo you will probably get a diffuser actually working for you.
This raises a very different consideration though - you want/need a proper working bit of kit. Anything you buy as a bit of road car fashion accessory will almost certainly *not* provide or work as you require/expect.
As standard, in a straight line on smooth roads, the car is nicely balanced and she's fast through the air. I don't want to spoil that. Suspension, tyres and geometry have helped a lot in improving mechanical grip. But at higher cornering speeds she gets upset and she's very flighty over crests.Two points to always consider:
1) Front and rear aero always works in conjunction, not isolation
2) Rear diffusers on road cars are almost always useless. You, though, are arguably the exception to the rule as you are Mr 599 Track Car - ergo you will probably get a diffuser actually working for you.
This raises a very different consideration though - you want/need a proper working bit of kit. Anything you buy as a bit of road car fashion accessory will almost certainly *not* provide or work as you require/expect.
On corner entry trail braking she needs a little more stability especially at the rear and I definitely don't want too much added rear down force that will induce understeer. I am hoping the Novitec front spoiler is designed to work with the Novitec rear diffuser and maintain the F/R balance and the boot lip spoiler will make everything more efficient.
I read somewhere that just a few KG of added down force can make a huge difference to the handling. And this is what I'm looking for. I don't want an FXX looking track car or a GTB masquerading as a GTO. Something where I can say 'totally standard' nudge wink and not look out of place.
Anyway, I am worried I'll spoil the car and I'll end up slower because I've introduced something that effects the cars natural balance negatively. At least the aero bits can be easily removed.
I'm getting a little excited for for final product.
Robin at
https://rabtarcomposite.ch/index.html
who will do the manufacturing has engaged his friend Édouard Suzeau
https://edouardsuzeau.myportfolio.com/work
to do the design. Looking at his work I'm hopeful for a product that's esthetically pleasing as well as functional.
I've also told Robin that the design options will be QC'd by DeejRC, so if the final product is useless I'll know who to blame
Robin at
https://rabtarcomposite.ch/index.html
who will do the manufacturing has engaged his friend Édouard Suzeau
https://edouardsuzeau.myportfolio.com/work
to do the design. Looking at his work I'm hopeful for a product that's esthetically pleasing as well as functional.
I've also told Robin that the design options will be QC'd by DeejRC, so if the final product is useless I'll know who to blame
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