F12 Berlinetta
Discussion
DeejRC said:
I *think*, or rather my instinct is that we have seen the top of the market, or at least there or there abouts. There is a very faint chance that for once I have sold at the right time and Ive come out of this one a winner.
Please note: Not only am I not a trader nor flipper, but Ive been the wrong side of the market on every other car Ive ever owned, so there is also a fair chance Im wrong on this.
Please note: Not only am I not a trader nor flipper, but Ive been the wrong side of the market on every other car Ive ever owned, so there is also a fair chance Im wrong on this.
. I feel your pain - been there myself more than once.
me too buddy! The GT3 I bought was particularly painful, also the number of times I've been in a great position and made the wrong call is unbelievable!The rain held off today and I wanted an excuse for a long drive in my 458 so decided to go F12 shopping to Dick Lovett in Swindon as they had 2 in stock, one with race seats and one with daytonas.
Thankfully they were light on sales staff and the business manager wasnt there so I escaped with my bank balance intact and got a nice coffee.
Wasnt that sure on rosso berlinetta but under the specially adjusted wallet opening lights at Dick Lovett it really does look good
Daytona vs race seats decision much tougher than I thought. Daytonas look much better in the car yhan photos and are super comfortable.
Thankfully they were light on sales staff and the business manager wasnt there so I escaped with my bank balance intact and got a nice coffee.
Wasnt that sure on rosso berlinetta but under the specially adjusted wallet opening lights at Dick Lovett it really does look good
Daytona vs race seats decision much tougher than I thought. Daytonas look much better in the car yhan photos and are super comfortable.
The advantage of the daytonas is that they’re adjustable and if you have the full electric pack, you get heated seats and powered steering wheel adjustment along with memory settings for the seats, wheel and mirrors.
Too much is made of the desirability of the carbon race seats. I’ll admit that they look good but you give up comfort and useability for looks and the kudos of having ‘race’ seats.
Rosso Berlinetta does look amazing but it’s a pig if you have to repaint it. I’ve seen a car with resprayed bumpers which look fine from certain angles and yet from others, the respray is really obvious. However, that wouldn’t stop me from buying a Rosso Berlinetta car - I’d just have PPF put on it.
Too much is made of the desirability of the carbon race seats. I’ll admit that they look good but you give up comfort and useability for looks and the kudos of having ‘race’ seats.
Rosso Berlinetta does look amazing but it’s a pig if you have to repaint it. I’ve seen a car with resprayed bumpers which look fine from certain angles and yet from others, the respray is really obvious. However, that wouldn’t stop me from buying a Rosso Berlinetta car - I’d just have PPF put on it.
The car above had a bit of a marmite interior and no carbon driving zone so was a bit of a messy spec for the asking price.
The car with the racing seats had 16k on the clock and was a 13 so at bottom end of pricing range, downsides are quite a odd spec.
Had carbon front splitter, side skirts and treadplates but the basic spec alloys and grigio calipers.
Interior same story, carbon Seats but no embossed ponies or contrast stitching, stripe, carbon wheel but not eev counter, carbon cup holder but not bridge or centre inlay.
So lot of money spent on the paint and external carbon at the expense of some of the usual lower cost stuff not being optioned.
I'm conflicted by the spec - part of me likes that it has an almost old school Ferrari minimalist to it without all the brand bling, but when you are already in for 175 grand it seems a bit of a false economy not to man math the extra and push for a late 2015 or 2016 car.
The car with the racing seats had 16k on the clock and was a 13 so at bottom end of pricing range, downsides are quite a odd spec.
Had carbon front splitter, side skirts and treadplates but the basic spec alloys and grigio calipers.
Interior same story, carbon Seats but no embossed ponies or contrast stitching, stripe, carbon wheel but not eev counter, carbon cup holder but not bridge or centre inlay.
So lot of money spent on the paint and external carbon at the expense of some of the usual lower cost stuff not being optioned.
I'm conflicted by the spec - part of me likes that it has an almost old school Ferrari minimalist to it without all the brand bling, but when you are already in for 175 grand it seems a bit of a false economy not to man math the extra and push for a late 2015 or 2016 car.
If the lack of contrast stitching and embroidered cavallinos bothers you then stick with what you like and want. I’ve taken a look at the Dick Lovett website and can see what you mean about the lack of cohesion in the daytona seats car. I can also see how the original owner of the carbon seats car was going for a ‘blacked out’ vibe so at least it’s coherent.
You were lucky that the salespeople didn’t fire up the F12s’ engines for you.
Then it really is wallet opening time.
We’ve just dealt on an F12 for my wife. It’s a bit on the low spec side and the interior wasn’t our first choice but we came to the conclusion that supply has dried up and that situation isn’t about to change. The car is in great condition, ‘feels’ right and is a nice place to be despite the lack of a number of ‘must haves’. We’ve looked at cars which are better on paper (lower miles and better spec) but they’ve been neglected or mistreated.
The F12 is getting to the age where you need to buy on condition rather than trusting to mileage and spec.
You were lucky that the salespeople didn’t fire up the F12s’ engines for you.
Then it really is wallet opening time.
We’ve just dealt on an F12 for my wife. It’s a bit on the low spec side and the interior wasn’t our first choice but we came to the conclusion that supply has dried up and that situation isn’t about to change. The car is in great condition, ‘feels’ right and is a nice place to be despite the lack of a number of ‘must haves’. We’ve looked at cars which are better on paper (lower miles and better spec) but they’ve been neglected or mistreated.
The F12 is getting to the age where you need to buy on condition rather than trusting to mileage and spec.
Edited by ANOpax on Saturday 4th June 23:15
I think you are right.
I think i’m going to take a pragmatic approach, if DL’s sales people do a good job and the numbers are favourable i’ll buy it, if the deal
Doesn’t work out for some reason I’ll at least have given the dealer the nod for the sort of spec i’m looking for, was hoping to hold off buying until end of summer to get through my 458 spider honeymoon period over the summer, but if I have the money for an F12 I’d rather get the purchase done so I do t have to worry about future speculation/values/availability.
I think i’m going to take a pragmatic approach, if DL’s sales people do a good job and the numbers are favourable i’ll buy it, if the deal
Doesn’t work out for some reason I’ll at least have given the dealer the nod for the sort of spec i’m looking for, was hoping to hold off buying until end of summer to get through my 458 spider honeymoon period over the summer, but if I have the money for an F12 I’d rather get the purchase done so I do t have to worry about future speculation/values/availability.
MisterBigglesworth said:
I think you are right.
I think i’m going to take a pragmatic approach, if DL’s sales people do a good job and the numbers are favourable i’ll buy it, if the deal
Doesn’t work out for some reason I’ll at least have given the dealer the nod for the sort of spec i’m looking for, was hoping to hold off buying until end of summer to get through my 458 spider honeymoon period over the summer, but if I have the money for an F12 I’d rather get the purchase done so I do t have to worry about future speculation/values/availability.
Good plan! Can't see the black interior one on the website anymore.I think i’m going to take a pragmatic approach, if DL’s sales people do a good job and the numbers are favourable i’ll buy it, if the deal
Doesn’t work out for some reason I’ll at least have given the dealer the nod for the sort of spec i’m looking for, was hoping to hold off buying until end of summer to get through my 458 spider honeymoon period over the summer, but if I have the money for an F12 I’d rather get the purchase done so I do t have to worry about future speculation/values/availability.
It's only just come into stock so not sure if its listed or not.
At least if someone does get In before me it will solve my dilemma.
Having slept on it I dont think there is any deal breakers on the car. The poverty wheels may be a benefit in the interim as I get used to the extra width along tight dorset/ Somerset village roads as I already smacked one of my spider diamond rims and they are pricey to replace. Having a spare set of wheels will be no bad thing when I either get a puncture or need to refurb wheels.
The RB paint will need PPF - at least the front end. Living in farmland getting peppered with tractor debris is price of having endless miles.of NSL roads with no traffic.
Headrest and stitching I would live with. I'd be bringing my 458 spider and a F12 in under the budget of a new 812 which helps the man math justify it.
Worst case is I'm stuck with this old shed of a thing until another comes up.
At least if someone does get In before me it will solve my dilemma.
Having slept on it I dont think there is any deal breakers on the car. The poverty wheels may be a benefit in the interim as I get used to the extra width along tight dorset/ Somerset village roads as I already smacked one of my spider diamond rims and they are pricey to replace. Having a spare set of wheels will be no bad thing when I either get a puncture or need to refurb wheels.
The RB paint will need PPF - at least the front end. Living in farmland getting peppered with tractor debris is price of having endless miles.of NSL roads with no traffic.
Headrest and stitching I would live with. I'd be bringing my 458 spider and a F12 in under the budget of a new 812 which helps the man math justify it.
Worst case is I'm stuck with this old shed of a thing until another comes up.
The worst thing in the world is compromising on spec because of the need to make an emergency purchase. I've been there - and you'll regret it down the line.
I waited a long time to find the F12 I wanted in the right spec - but it was worth the wait. Hold out for what you really want or you'll spend hours sitting in the car wondering "what if". It just won't feel special if it's not right in your heart.
Cheers
Chris.
I waited a long time to find the F12 I wanted in the right spec - but it was worth the wait. Hold out for what you really want or you'll spend hours sitting in the car wondering "what if". It just won't feel special if it's not right in your heart.
Cheers
Chris.
DeejRC said:
Inclined to agree with Woodsy. The F12 is seminal, it is the one to get right.
And the one thing you absolutely don’t want in it are the silly race seats.
Yup. It’s hard to understand how the myth of the race seats has come about. The full electric seats have memory, heating and are at least as comfortable, if not moreso due to their range of adjustability which the race seats sorely lack. And the one thing you absolutely don’t want in it are the silly race seats.
Thanks for all the advice - food for thought.
Update on progress. Spoken to Harry @ DL who has been lovely to deal with so DL remain my preferred choice to buy through even if it means waiting for them to source the right car.
Work negotiations on new contracts with a solid uplift means my budget may well run to any of the upper end of the market within the month.
Man math done and F12 is definitely happening this summer even though it means another summer lost with no downtime.
Agree with the points made, the F12 is the one I worked my socks off and lusted after for years so I want it to be just right as well as a good buying experience to feel like the sacrifice was worth it.
Most importantly my 458 spider is staying in my collection. I bloody love that car and was determined I would just work harder to fund the F12 so I don’t have to trade out of it - 458 spider & F12 is my two big bucket list cars ticked off so I can then think about what will join them next round.
Update on progress. Spoken to Harry @ DL who has been lovely to deal with so DL remain my preferred choice to buy through even if it means waiting for them to source the right car.
Work negotiations on new contracts with a solid uplift means my budget may well run to any of the upper end of the market within the month.
Man math done and F12 is definitely happening this summer even though it means another summer lost with no downtime.
Agree with the points made, the F12 is the one I worked my socks off and lusted after for years so I want it to be just right as well as a good buying experience to feel like the sacrifice was worth it.
Most importantly my 458 spider is staying in my collection. I bloody love that car and was determined I would just work harder to fund the F12 so I don’t have to trade out of it - 458 spider & F12 is my two big bucket list cars ticked off so I can then think about what will join them next round.
Edited by MisterBigglesworth on Thursday 9th June 19:48
MisterBigglesworth said:
This car was basically my dream spec - was a tailor made car and on the market last year for 250, sadly had just dealt on the 458 so missed out on it. Had the 599 GTO technical fabric and gloss black in place of carbon. Love the colour.
This one very similar
That red one is stunning - love it!This one very similar
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