Challenge Stradale thread

[boxerTen]

roygarth said:

Scooby P1 said:

Question - starting it up and ticking over for 10 mins or so to get some heat through the car, is this a good thing to do? Different views on how good sitting at ticker over is.

I've just bought an R53 Mini Cooper S JCW. Very different car I know.....but in handbook it says do not start up and let it sit at tick over to warm up. Unfortunately it doesn't say why.

For an engine having aggressive cam profiles and at low engine speeds, the oil layer between cam lobe and follower has time to thin and get squeezed out resulting in the lobe and follower not being fully lubricated and in danger of suffering excessive wear. Definitely an issue with some competition engines. No idea whether this is the case for your JCW.

Edited by boxerTen on Sunday 7th January 03:25

[911Thrasher]

355fiorano said:

OK we have had this discussion before but has anyone got any definitive numbers of the noise db level of a CS at Donington.

I am told that race cars like 458 GT3's and 458 GTC's are less than 98bb drive by.

I am reluctant to book a track day and be sent home or to have to lift off at the sensors so if anyone has any ballpark drive by numbers that would be very useful.

My Strad has a fairly new exhaust from factory and my fly-bys at Silverstone were clocked way above 107dB...got black flagged even!

[Not Ideal]

boxerTen said:

For an engine having aggressive cam profiles and at low engine speeds, the oil layer between cam lobe and follower has time to thin and get squeezed out resulting in the lobe and follower not being fully lubricated and in danger of suffering excessive wear. Definitely an issue with some competition engines. No idea whether this is the case for your JCW.

Edited by boxerTen on Sunday 7th January 03:25

I am no mechanic but I thought it was to do with the engine getting warm but the gearbox not and the seal between the two then being half cold and half warm which can lead to issues. Could be total rubbish mind...

[355fiorano]

911Thrasher said:

My Strad has a fairly new exhaust from factory and my fly-bys at Silverstone were clocked way above 107dB...got black flagged even!

Yes I remember you saying that! I was hoping someone may come along with a "quieter" number so I could chance it ... anyone ???

[baypond]

355fiorano said:

Is it me or does that exhaust back box need changing? Looks a bit rusty round the edges.
Price is definitely good vs last year. Probably would be asking £210k-£220 then

On a sound related note, I just bought myself a sound meter so that I can check how loud mine is and see if there is any hope of doing any track days this year. RMA has stopped doing the unsilenced ones at Donnington ;(

probably slightly less. no stripe, no alcantara, slightly higher mileage than the ones at that price. non standard items.
But... looks great value at that price.

[355fiorano]

Yes prices a little while ago were all over the place with a very wide gap from some low milers up to £320k asking and a few at £250k and over. For "higher mileage" 20k m + ones you'd be hard pressed to find anything sub 200k. The spread has narrowed quite a bit.

The important thing it to find a good car. There is a at at Dick Lovett with 7800m that they were asking 225k for 6m ago and now dropped to 200k (http://www.challenge-stradale.com/137671.html). If you look at the top of the dash it has gone completely light gray (like it was sun burnt). Even if its the right spec I would probably buy the black car with 24k miles if it checks out over that one any day. Also looking at the profiles of the previous owners on here, they seemed to be guys that enjoyed driving their cars and looked after them so assuming the car was not damaged and looked after it would be so much better that one sitting waiting to appreciate.

[roygarth]

355fiorano said:

The important thing it to find a good car. There is a at at Dick Lovett with 7800m that they were asking 225k for 6m ago and now dropped to 200k (http://www.challenge-stradale.com/137671.html).

Whoah..its RHD, that was a £250K+ 12/18 months ago. The big RHD/LHD price spread is rapidly disappearing. Prices are steady on t'continent.

[bryn_p]

355fiorano said:

Yes prices a little while ago were all over the place with a very wide gap from some low milers up to £320k asking and a few at £250k and over. For "higher mileage" 20k m + ones you'd be hard pressed to find anything sub 200k. The spread has narrowed quite a bit.

The important thing it to find a good car. There is a at at Dick Lovett with 7800m that they were asking 225k for 6m ago and now dropped to 200k (http://www.challenge-stradale.com/137671.html). If you look at the top of the dash it has gone completely light gray (like it was sun burnt). Even if its the right spec I would probably buy the black car with 24k miles if it checks out over that one any day. Also looking at the profiles of the previous owners on here, they seemed to be guys that enjoyed driving their cars and looked after them so assuming the car was not damaged and looked after it would be so much better that one sitting waiting to appreciate.

Do you think the dash could be retrimmed to look as good as a Ferrari original or would it always look poor in comparison?

[355fiorano]

I really don't know. I think re trims can be quite costly and I have seen some dodgy but expensive jobs so it would be a risk.
Probably better/cheaper to just get a good replacement top dash form one that is being parted for spares... but if it was that simple I would suspect DL would have done it already when they had it up for £230k ...

[MDL111]

It is not like Ferrari are know for their exacting standards for interior trim, so I would assume a good shop could do as good or better a job than what came out of the factory. I’d certainly hope that the guys retrimming multi-million euro vintage Ferraris/cars know what they are doing and know how the ensure it looks original ...

[baypond]

All Ferraris have come down in price quite materially. 308/328 back in the 65/75 range, 599 drifting back below 100, Dino's below 300, RHD Stradales back below 200. All very healthy.
An 'indy' told me that speculators had left the market and the buying is back to enthusiasts and they are more cautious on condition and price. Plenty being sold right now too.

[355fiorano]

I was in Maranello yesterday and saw the CS they had there. Again I noticed that the top of the dash had gone all gray and tatty. It looked the same as the car I saw at DL last month and I thought it was the same one but I looked at the number pate and it was different and also this one has 12k miles and the DL car has 7.8k miles. This one is on at £220k
What is it with the top dash of the CS's? Does anyone know if its a weak point and if so is there something you can do to look after it. I certainly don't want my car to look like that in future and I'm sure it would cost an arm and a leg to fix.

[ghost83]

Just a return at a couple of thousand or I’m sure Ferrari would supply a dash for even more if you wish to keep it original

[AmoCS]

355fiorano said:

I was in Maranello yesterday and saw the CS they had there. Again I noticed that the top of the dash had gone all gray and tatty. It looked the same as the car I saw at DL last month and I thought it was the same one but I looked at the number pate and it was different and also this one has 12k miles and the DL car has 7.8k miles. This one is on at £220k
What is it with the top dash of the CS's? Does anyone know if its a weak point and if so is there something you can do to look after it. I certainly don't want my car to look like that in future and I'm sure it would cost an arm and a leg to fix.

It fades due to being sat in direct sunlight. Lots out there have the same issue, adds to the raw image of the car .

https://clubstradale.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1...

Edited by AmoCS on Sunday 21st January 17:49

[355fiorano]

AmoCS said:

It fades due to being sat in direct sunlight. Lots out there have the same issue, adds to the raw image of the car .

https://clubstradale.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1...

Edited by AmoCS on Sunday 21st January 17:49

Yes but these are Uk RHD low mileage cars ... where did they find the sun ? Do they stick them in a solarium

[AmoCS]

Just because they are low miles, doesn't mean they haven't been sitting outside for long periods of time during the summer.
If you look at the fabric where the controls and vents are it is normally still as new, as it has not been subjected to the sun rays.

[HIS LM]

Hang on let's put this in perspective - you are prepared to spend £220k on a CS but are worried about a dash re-trim ?

Have you actually had a quote you might be pleasantly surprised

[355fiorano]

HIS LM said:

Hang on let's put this in perspective - you are prepared to spend £220k on a CS but are worried about a dash re-trim ?

Have you actually had a quote you might be pleasantly surprised

I'm not worried about anything. Thankfully my CS's trim is perfect. If I were in the market though, I would not even consider bidding if i did not see the a perfect trim... at least at that price point which is top end in the current market. I would put the onus and risk and time of re trimming on the dealer.

[roygarth]

355fiorano said:

HIS LM said:

Hang on let's put this in perspective - you are prepared to spend £220k on a CS but are worried about a dash re-trim ?

Have you actually had a quote you might be pleasantly surprised

I'm not worried about anything. Thankfully my CS's trim is perfect. If I were in the market though, I would not even consider bidding if i did not see the a perfect trim... at least at that price point which is top end in the current market. I would put the onus and risk and time of re trimming on the dealer.

I'm amazed the dealer/vendor has not had it sorted prior to marketing it for sale. The fact they haven't raises questions/creates uncertainty in minds of potential buyers.

[355fiorano]

I have noticed that in the last month or so the Scud ads on pistoheads have come down from over 35 to 25 cars
CS ads have dropped from around 28 to 25

Does this mean cars are selling and also that loads of people buying scuds I wonder ...