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They seem to be going for strong money again. £122,000 for a 40,000 miles car isn't bad.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-ferrari-3...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-ferrari-3...
Continuing the tyre discussion from the previous page, is anyone using PS4S now they're more widely available?
I've only done a handful of miles in mine but I'm slightly surprised at just how lively the back end feels in Race. I know it's meant to be a bit more lairy in Race but it feels very twitchy on full throttle, particularly when changing up. It's got > 5yr old Corsas on it currently so I should probably fit something new regardless.
Moving from P Zeros to PS4S on my M5 totally transformed the car for the better but I've seen some comments that people have put PS4S on Stradales and found that the improved grip removes some of the feel of the car.
Is it just meant to be like this in Race? It's certainly exciting(!)
I've only done a handful of miles in mine but I'm slightly surprised at just how lively the back end feels in Race. I know it's meant to be a bit more lairy in Race but it feels very twitchy on full throttle, particularly when changing up. It's got > 5yr old Corsas on it currently so I should probably fit something new regardless.
Moving from P Zeros to PS4S on my M5 totally transformed the car for the better but I've seen some comments that people have put PS4S on Stradales and found that the improved grip removes some of the feel of the car.
Is it just meant to be like this in Race? It's certainly exciting(!)
I think I may have commented on this earlier in this thread but when I changed from Pirellis to the Michelins I really did not like them as it seemed to numb the car. The grip was however much improved. I swore i would change back at the first chance but didn't as the degradation in the Pirellis is really quite high. Now I am use to the Michelins so dont mind ... but I still will go back as they give so much more feedback in the driving experience.
I would definitely try both and see what you like best.
I would definitely try both and see what you like best.
Thanks, it was probably your post that had stuck in my head.
The M5 isn't really a great benchmark as it's a bit of a boat at the best of times but I found the steering felt really odd on my Boxster immediately after fitting PS4. A couple of hundred miles later it'd all sharpened up again.
They certainly transformed the M5 in terms of grip. The traction control light would be flashing constantly with the P Zeros. It became a bit of a challenge to get it to blink with the Michelins.
Did you fit the correct profile in the end? I found another old post of yours where you'd only found 40 profile PS4S instead of the 35s that are more available now.
The M5 isn't really a great benchmark as it's a bit of a boat at the best of times but I found the steering felt really odd on my Boxster immediately after fitting PS4. A couple of hundred miles later it'd all sharpened up again.
They certainly transformed the M5 in terms of grip. The traction control light would be flashing constantly with the P Zeros. It became a bit of a challenge to get it to blink with the Michelins.
Did you fit the correct profile in the end? I found another old post of yours where you'd only found 40 profile PS4S instead of the 35s that are more available now.
I have the Cup2s witch from memory are 235 vs 225 in the front and 35 wall vs 30
The rears are the same
The larger front patch and the higher wall make the difference in feel and grip. Turn-in is not as sharp but the front bites and is very stable and the rear follows
The Pirelli’s need a lot more balancing with steering input and mild 4wheel drift through the corners which is a LOT more rewarding and fun albeit slower and eats the tyres quicker (clearly I am talking about behaviour on track).
The rears are the same
The larger front patch and the higher wall make the difference in feel and grip. Turn-in is not as sharp but the front bites and is very stable and the rear follows
The Pirelli’s need a lot more balancing with steering input and mild 4wheel drift through the corners which is a LOT more rewarding and fun albeit slower and eats the tyres quicker (clearly I am talking about behaviour on track).
355fiorano said:
I have the Cup2s witch from memory are 235 vs 225 in the front and 35 wall vs 30
The rears are the same
The larger front patch and the higher wall make the difference in feel and grip. Turn-in is not as sharp but the front bites and is very stable and the rear follows
The Pirelli’s need a lot more balancing with steering input and mild 4wheel drift through the corners which is a LOT more rewarding and fun albeit slower and eats the tyres quicker (clearly I am talking about behaviour on track).
The Pirelli OEM side wall size for the front is 35, and the Cup2's are identical. (235/35/19 vs 225/35/19 Pirelli OEM)The rears are the same
The larger front patch and the higher wall make the difference in feel and grip. Turn-in is not as sharp but the front bites and is very stable and the rear follows
The Pirelli’s need a lot more balancing with steering input and mild 4wheel drift through the corners which is a LOT more rewarding and fun albeit slower and eats the tyres quicker (clearly I am talking about behaviour on track).
I thought to write a quick update as there hasn’t been much going on I this thread and it’s the holidays with a bit more time to do these things.
I knew I had a big bill coming as my disks and pads need changing. The car had previously been to the main dealer where it has been looked after exclusively since I bought the car from them and more recently when I needed to sort the clutch sensor. I must say that I’ve always been very happy with the dealer as over the years they have been very good with me albeit that affinity has been fading in the last 3 yrs or so.
Back to the story, when the car was with them for the clutch sensor, they did a video of things they advised me to do such as saying that my brake hoses are perishing and need changing, that for some reason there was a hole in my undertray which was not there last year (and about 300miles since they last had it) as well as another few bits an bobs that I was not too happy about and could not understand the origin of such issues that had never been sighted last year.
I really wanted to keep all my service history with them but given some of the prior sound advice voicey has given me I also wanted him to have a look, so I decided to take it to him to check it over and then take it back to the main dealer for the yearly stamp and also to continue that relationship long relationship.
I won’t go into all the details but just to say that when I received the video report from Aldous I was quite shocked
1- the things I was being told to do were not required and some were non perishable items that were not damaged like the brake hoses
2- the hole on my floor was caused by a perished gearbox mount that meant the exhaust had dropped and started to burn through the rear undertray. How this had not been spotted, if not precautionarylly in the last service or at least when they saw the damage now at the main dealers astounds me.
3- the new clutch sensor they had put in, at a cost of £1,500, they had managed to over-tighten and crack the housing and needing a new clutch block, as well as overfilling the F1 fluids
4 - what really took the biscuit is that my air filters were dated 2007 and were disintegrating . This car had been inspected, sold and serviced by the main dealer since 2014
Aldous pointed a a bunch of other things that needed doing and were done. Given the findings I Asked Aldous to do all the work and service.
One lesson at least for me. In future I will never buy a car with only main dealer service history unless there are other inspections and bills from known independents. I really think that the main Ferrari dealers have lost their knowledge base on servicing these older cars. I had a friend at the same time have similar issues with his scud and another main dealer and also took it to an independent to get his problems sorting as the main dealer could not find what was wrong.
It’s funny but the list that Aldous came to me with was a lot longer that the list the dealer gave me, but had the dealer given me that long list with the correct explanations they would have probably had the business and made at least 3x more than the bogus things they tried to make me do … and I would still be none the wiser that my air filters were from 2007 !!!
A big thanks to voicey however for sorting it all out and more !
I knew I had a big bill coming as my disks and pads need changing. The car had previously been to the main dealer where it has been looked after exclusively since I bought the car from them and more recently when I needed to sort the clutch sensor. I must say that I’ve always been very happy with the dealer as over the years they have been very good with me albeit that affinity has been fading in the last 3 yrs or so.
Back to the story, when the car was with them for the clutch sensor, they did a video of things they advised me to do such as saying that my brake hoses are perishing and need changing, that for some reason there was a hole in my undertray which was not there last year (and about 300miles since they last had it) as well as another few bits an bobs that I was not too happy about and could not understand the origin of such issues that had never been sighted last year.
I really wanted to keep all my service history with them but given some of the prior sound advice voicey has given me I also wanted him to have a look, so I decided to take it to him to check it over and then take it back to the main dealer for the yearly stamp and also to continue that relationship long relationship.
I won’t go into all the details but just to say that when I received the video report from Aldous I was quite shocked
1- the things I was being told to do were not required and some were non perishable items that were not damaged like the brake hoses
2- the hole on my floor was caused by a perished gearbox mount that meant the exhaust had dropped and started to burn through the rear undertray. How this had not been spotted, if not precautionarylly in the last service or at least when they saw the damage now at the main dealers astounds me.
3- the new clutch sensor they had put in, at a cost of £1,500, they had managed to over-tighten and crack the housing and needing a new clutch block, as well as overfilling the F1 fluids
4 - what really took the biscuit is that my air filters were dated 2007 and were disintegrating . This car had been inspected, sold and serviced by the main dealer since 2014
Aldous pointed a a bunch of other things that needed doing and were done. Given the findings I Asked Aldous to do all the work and service.
One lesson at least for me. In future I will never buy a car with only main dealer service history unless there are other inspections and bills from known independents. I really think that the main Ferrari dealers have lost their knowledge base on servicing these older cars. I had a friend at the same time have similar issues with his scud and another main dealer and also took it to an independent to get his problems sorting as the main dealer could not find what was wrong.
It’s funny but the list that Aldous came to me with was a lot longer that the list the dealer gave me, but had the dealer given me that long list with the correct explanations they would have probably had the business and made at least 3x more than the bogus things they tried to make me do … and I would still be none the wiser that my air filters were from 2007 !!!
A big thanks to voicey however for sorting it all out and more !
Edited by 355fiorano on Sunday 26th December 23:13
The main dealer stamps look great in the service book, as does "full ferrari main dealer service history" in an advert.
As for the actual car itself - means F all.
High end independants need to have a great reputation to survive and grow.
Main stealers do not.
I would much rather give my servicing money to an independant, and I will if any cars I own now, or in the future get to be 7/8 years old.
Try selling or even part exchanging any young ish supercar without a main dealer history - very very limited market - just the way it is. Looks like there is no need for you to be robbed any more.
As for the actual car itself - means F all.
High end independants need to have a great reputation to survive and grow.
Main stealers do not.
I would much rather give my servicing money to an independant, and I will if any cars I own now, or in the future get to be 7/8 years old.
Try selling or even part exchanging any young ish supercar without a main dealer history - very very limited market - just the way it is. Looks like there is no need for you to be robbed any more.
Edited by lambo666 on Sunday 26th December 23:28
355fiorano said:
I thought to write a quick update as there hasn’t been much going on I this thread and it’s the holidays with a bit more time to do these things.
I knew I had a big bill coming as my disks and pads need changing. The car had previously been to the main dealer where it has been looked after exclusively since I bought the car from them and more recently when I needed to sort the clutch sensor. I must say that I’ve always been very happy with the dealer as over the years they have been very good with me albeit that affinity has been fading in the last 3 yrs or so.
Back to the story, when the car was with them for the clutch sensor, they did a video of things they advised me to do such as saying that my brake hoses are perishing and need changing, that for some reason there was a hole in my undertray which was not there last year (and about 300miles since they last had it) as well as another few bits an bobs that I was not too happy about and could not understand the origin of such issues that had never been sighted last year.
I really wanted to keep all my service history with them but given some of the prior sound advice voicey has given me I also wanted him to have a look, so I decided to take it to him to check it over and then take it back to the main dealer for the yearly stamp and also to continue that relationship long relationship.
I won’t go into all the details but just to say that when I received the video report from Aldous I was quite shocked
1- the things I was being told to do were not required and some were non perishable items that were not damaged like the brake hoses
2- the hole on my floor was caused by a perished gearbox mount that meant the exhaust had dropped and started to burn through the rear undertray. How this had not been spotted, if not precautionarylly in the last service or at least when they saw the damage now at the main dealers astounds me.
3- the new clutch sensor they had put in, at a cost of £1,500, they had managed to over-tighten and crack the housing and needing a new clutch block, as well as overfilling the F1 fluids
4 - what really took the biscuit is that my air filters were dated 2007 and were disintegrating . This car had been inspected, sold and serviced by the main dealer since 2014
Aldous pointed a a bunch of other things that needed doing and were done. Given the findings I Asked Aldous to do all the work and service.
One lesson at least for me. In future I will never buy a car with only main dealer service history unless there are other inspections and bills from known independents. I really think that the main Ferrari dealers have lost their knowledge base on servicing these older cars. I had a friend at the same time have similar issues with his scud and another main dealer and also took it to an independent to get his problems sorting as the main dealer could not find what was wrong.
It’s funny but the list that Aldous came to me with was a lot longer that the list the dealer gave me, but had the dealer given me that long list with the correct explanations they would have probably had the business and made at least 3x more than the bogus things they tried to make me do … and I would still be none the wiser that my air filters were from 2007 !!!
A big thanks to voicey however for sorting it all out and more !
Why do your discs need replacing, what sort of mileage do you have on the car. They should last a long time unless you track it regularly or are damaged.I knew I had a big bill coming as my disks and pads need changing. The car had previously been to the main dealer where it has been looked after exclusively since I bought the car from them and more recently when I needed to sort the clutch sensor. I must say that I’ve always been very happy with the dealer as over the years they have been very good with me albeit that affinity has been fading in the last 3 yrs or so.
Back to the story, when the car was with them for the clutch sensor, they did a video of things they advised me to do such as saying that my brake hoses are perishing and need changing, that for some reason there was a hole in my undertray which was not there last year (and about 300miles since they last had it) as well as another few bits an bobs that I was not too happy about and could not understand the origin of such issues that had never been sighted last year.
I really wanted to keep all my service history with them but given some of the prior sound advice voicey has given me I also wanted him to have a look, so I decided to take it to him to check it over and then take it back to the main dealer for the yearly stamp and also to continue that relationship long relationship.
I won’t go into all the details but just to say that when I received the video report from Aldous I was quite shocked
1- the things I was being told to do were not required and some were non perishable items that were not damaged like the brake hoses
2- the hole on my floor was caused by a perished gearbox mount that meant the exhaust had dropped and started to burn through the rear undertray. How this had not been spotted, if not precautionarylly in the last service or at least when they saw the damage now at the main dealers astounds me.
3- the new clutch sensor they had put in, at a cost of £1,500, they had managed to over-tighten and crack the housing and needing a new clutch block, as well as overfilling the F1 fluids
4 - what really took the biscuit is that my air filters were dated 2007 and were disintegrating . This car had been inspected, sold and serviced by the main dealer since 2014
Aldous pointed a a bunch of other things that needed doing and were done. Given the findings I Asked Aldous to do all the work and service.
One lesson at least for me. In future I will never buy a car with only main dealer service history unless there are other inspections and bills from known independents. I really think that the main Ferrari dealers have lost their knowledge base on servicing these older cars. I had a friend at the same time have similar issues with his scud and another main dealer and also took it to an independent to get his problems sorting as the main dealer could not find what was wrong.
It’s funny but the list that Aldous came to me with was a lot longer that the list the dealer gave me, but had the dealer given me that long list with the correct explanations they would have probably had the business and made at least 3x more than the bogus things they tried to make me do … and I would still be none the wiser that my air filters were from 2007 !!!
A big thanks to voicey however for sorting it all out and more !
Edited by 355fiorano on Sunday 26th December 23:13
As for the air filters go with K&N, car breathes better.
As for servicing, it can vary greatly for both MD's and Independents, really depends which "mechanic" you get on the day to service your car.
Yes I do take it on track, ideally doing 1 or 2 a year … but not the last 2
Discs were weighed vs spec and are definitely below the min weight so need changing. I don’t know what they were when I bought it as I was given a few different wear %s every time I asked but c 10% worn was what we stuck with at purchase (I have the printout on file) although I didn’t think that was the reality. Pre pandemic I’ve been doing c 2000 km a year and I seemed to have been consuming around 15% of discs a year from the readings. In terms of consumption what has surprised me was the last pads. They did go on used discs and were very noisy on hard braking on track and they lasted all of 3 track days!
It has certainly dispelled the myth for me that carbon brakes are durable and should last a lot longer. I see very little difference in the life of these and my 355 steel ones when I use to use that on track. The differences being that with the 355 it costs around £300 a corner yet on the other hand, they go soft after about 5/6 laps.
As for indi vs main I had intended the CS to be mai dealer only. My other two have been going to indi for decades (308 since I bought I in ‘97 and 355 once it no longer qualified for the power warrantee that required main dealer maintenance at the time). In the ‘old days” you knew exactly which mechanic looked after your car with main dealers and could get them on the phone and speak to them directly. That has changed now as you normally speak to a service representative who conveys your questions and gets answers and has no clue. I would say that with an indi I have also ways spoke to the proprietor and they have always been the one to deal directly with any issue and advise. I can’t say dealing with an individual trouble free as things have gone wron there too but given my recent experience and that of some friends over the last years I now really don’t trust the dealer knowledge base on the older cars and their ability to service them properly.
… funny think is that I have done a bunch of stuff to the car but brakes are still to be done as there are no front discs at maranello and they expect to get the new batch by end of Jan.
Discs were weighed vs spec and are definitely below the min weight so need changing. I don’t know what they were when I bought it as I was given a few different wear %s every time I asked but c 10% worn was what we stuck with at purchase (I have the printout on file) although I didn’t think that was the reality. Pre pandemic I’ve been doing c 2000 km a year and I seemed to have been consuming around 15% of discs a year from the readings. In terms of consumption what has surprised me was the last pads. They did go on used discs and were very noisy on hard braking on track and they lasted all of 3 track days!
It has certainly dispelled the myth for me that carbon brakes are durable and should last a lot longer. I see very little difference in the life of these and my 355 steel ones when I use to use that on track. The differences being that with the 355 it costs around £300 a corner yet on the other hand, they go soft after about 5/6 laps.
As for indi vs main I had intended the CS to be mai dealer only. My other two have been going to indi for decades (308 since I bought I in ‘97 and 355 once it no longer qualified for the power warrantee that required main dealer maintenance at the time). In the ‘old days” you knew exactly which mechanic looked after your car with main dealers and could get them on the phone and speak to them directly. That has changed now as you normally speak to a service representative who conveys your questions and gets answers and has no clue. I would say that with an indi I have also ways spoke to the proprietor and they have always been the one to deal directly with any issue and advise. I can’t say dealing with an individual trouble free as things have gone wron there too but given my recent experience and that of some friends over the last years I now really don’t trust the dealer knowledge base on the older cars and their ability to service them properly.
… funny think is that I have done a bunch of stuff to the car but brakes are still to be done as there are no front discs at maranello and they expect to get the new batch by end of Jan.
Edited by 355fiorano on Monday 27th December 22:51
Interesting article from Brembo
http://www.carbonceramicbrakes.com/en/news/Pages/5...
5) ALMOST ENDLESS LIFESPAN OF THE DISCS
Traditional cast iron discs have a limited lifespan that averages about 62,000 miles, then they need to be replaced. Car owners with carbon-ceramic discs don't have to worry about this because the composition and especially long lifespan of these discs means they last at least three, if not four, times longer than traditional discs. In other words, they operate without any loss of performance for the entire lifespan of the car they are mounted on. Infinity is one step away.
http://www.carbonceramicbrakes.com/en/news/Pages/5...
5) ALMOST ENDLESS LIFESPAN OF THE DISCS
Traditional cast iron discs have a limited lifespan that averages about 62,000 miles, then they need to be replaced. Car owners with carbon-ceramic discs don't have to worry about this because the composition and especially long lifespan of these discs means they last at least three, if not four, times longer than traditional discs. In other words, they operate without any loss of performance for the entire lifespan of the car they are mounted on. Infinity is one step away.
I can’t pretend that my CS does many miles, so can’t contribute to majority of this discussion.
But, I did change main dealer for servicing this year simple as there was a very special deal on the premium package which means when mines turns 20 it’s a very short process for classiche certification.
Only reason I mention it is that the earlier reference to pipes perishing, I would assume I am now safe from that as the rather large price tag for near invisible to the naked eye work, should mean every consumable is brand new.
Brakes are still 90% from brand new, but that did mean my calipers had seized - the penalty for a garage queen!
I’ve got P Zero corsa still and they are OLD. If I was worried about driving it regularly i would do something about them but they seem good enough when up to temp for the 500 or so miles I do a year. Don’t hate me 😛
But, I did change main dealer for servicing this year simple as there was a very special deal on the premium package which means when mines turns 20 it’s a very short process for classiche certification.
Only reason I mention it is that the earlier reference to pipes perishing, I would assume I am now safe from that as the rather large price tag for near invisible to the naked eye work, should mean every consumable is brand new.
Brakes are still 90% from brand new, but that did mean my calipers had seized - the penalty for a garage queen!
I’ve got P Zero corsa still and they are OLD. If I was worried about driving it regularly i would do something about them but they seem good enough when up to temp for the 500 or so miles I do a year. Don’t hate me 😛
I had the caliper pistons done with the ferrari kit at the dealer shortly after buying it as they noticed there was a bit of leak from the seals. It looks like I may need to do them again now and if I do I have been reccommended the Hills solution too as a much superior option.
As for the garage queen thing ... each to their own. Whoever spends the money gets to choose how best to enjoy it. The only thing I would say is that my car had sat for years with hardly any mileage before I bought it and I have about 10 pages of things the dealer had to out right before sale. There are so many cars sittling in garages in not a roadworthy condition and these are such amazing machines. Look at the latest Jayemm video on the CS and my comments on the scud thread here on pistonheads. That in my mind is clearly a case of a deteriorating car that has becme less enjoyabnle than a standard 360 albeit a little lowder .. and in that instance I agree with Jayemm as to why pay the premium for a CS
As for the garage queen thing ... each to their own. Whoever spends the money gets to choose how best to enjoy it. The only thing I would say is that my car had sat for years with hardly any mileage before I bought it and I have about 10 pages of things the dealer had to out right before sale. There are so many cars sittling in garages in not a roadworthy condition and these are such amazing machines. Look at the latest Jayemm video on the CS and my comments on the scud thread here on pistonheads. That in my mind is clearly a case of a deteriorating car that has becme less enjoyabnle than a standard 360 albeit a little lowder .. and in that instance I agree with Jayemm as to why pay the premium for a CS
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