Challenge Stradale thread

[MDL111]

Ffffaster said:

The CC CS seems to be doing rather well.

15k km
Black
Alcantara interior (which I think it nicer than the leather ones which look out of place to me)

Already at GBP 220,000 with a week to go.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2005-ferrari-3...

I think that might be close to a 400k Euro car for somebody who just leaves it in the UK until it will be exported to the US.

[AmoCS]

bargain compared to this that has more miles too.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/7...

[MDL111]

MDL111 said:

Ffffaster said:

The CC CS seems to be doing rather well.

15k km
Black
Alcantara interior (which I think it nicer than the leather ones which look out of place to me)

Already at GBP 220,000 with a week to go.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2005-ferrari-3...

I think that might be close to a 400k Euro car for somebody who just leaves it in the UK until it will be exported to the US.

what is the best guess at the reserve price on this?
I can only see 2 on mobile.de at the moment - 320k for 40k km and 370k for 53k km. All the others seem to have disappeared in the last few weeks, including the 400-500k cars and the few 2xx cars.
I think these will take off now - they already doubled over the last few years and I think now they will go mental.
Shame, I always wanted one but bought a Scuderia instead at the time (they were same money then more or less).

[MDL111]

Scuderia will take off too imo, also up quite a bit already and there are more drivers' owned Scuderia too, so the gap between collector car and driver car will open up even more imo

[Ffffaster]

MDL111 said:

what is the best guess at the reserve price on this?
I can only see 2 on mobile.de at the moment - 320k for 40k km and 370k for 53k km. All the others seem to have disappeared in the last few weeks, including the 400-500k cars and the few 2xx cars.
I think these will take off now - they already doubled over the last few years and I think now they will go mental.
Shame, I always wanted one but bought a Scuderia instead at the time (they were same money then more or less).

I suspect the other cars have vanished not because they have sold, but because sellers are being speculative and hoping they can cash in soon.

I think Scuds will do just fine too. 16Ms probably better, but I suspect CS will see them off in the long run?

Who knows. It's all a bit mad I think.

[Ffffaster]

2004 car
25,000 kms
LHD
Patchig history
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-ferrari-3...
Looks like it's on course for £250,000.

[MDL111]

Ffffaster said:

MDL111 said:

what is the best guess at the reserve price on this?
I can only see 2 on mobile.de at the moment - 320k for 40k km and 370k for 53k km. All the others seem to have disappeared in the last few weeks, including the 400-500k cars and the few 2xx cars.
I think these will take off now - they already doubled over the last few years and I think now they will go mental.
Shame, I always wanted one but bought a Scuderia instead at the time (they were same money then more or less).

I suspect the other cars have vanished not because they have sold, but because sellers are being speculative and hoping they can cash in soon.

I think Scuds will do just fine too. 16Ms probably better, but I suspect CS will see them off in the long run?

Who knows. It's all a bit mad I think.

The issue I have is that I drive my cars, so they will be high mileage when I sell them. I just can't see people spunking half a million on a 100k+ km CS or Scuderia, even if the 10k km cars then trade at 1 million. When I sold my Scuderia it was already at 78k km. I guess you can either see it as an asset and drive it 1k (maybe 1.5k) km per year or you drive it and won't materially benefit from the value increase (it will still be worth more than what you paid for it and probably cover the increased running costs, so still better than buying say a 296 or SF90, just not an "investment" per se).

I think the CS will clearly do better than the other "standard" enhanced versions (numbers limited cars like the spiders excluded) as it is rarer and the first one of the series (if you discount the 348/355 Challenge cars, which are a bit of a hybrid).

[MDL111]

Ffffaster said:

2004 car
25,000 kms
LHD
Patchig history
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-ferrari-3...
Looks like it's on course for £250,000.

uhh it is "no reserve" now at 265k
I think in Germany this would probably count as pretty good service history looking at the mileage between services

[MDL111]

MDL111 said:

Ffffaster said:

2004 car
25,000 kms
LHD
Patchig history
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-ferrari-3...
Looks like it's on course for £250,000.

uhh it is "no reserve" now at 265k
I think in Germany this would probably count as pretty good service history looking at the mileage between services

2 guys really wanted that car - ended at 306k plus fees

[voicey]

MDL111 said:

2 guys really wanted that car - ended at 306k plus fees

Whoever ended up with it has been burnt - badly.

[MDL111]

voicey said:

MDL111 said:

2 guys really wanted that car - ended at 306k plus fees

Whoever ended up with it has been burnt - badly.

From memory from about 265 up, there were only 2 bidders left

[Ffffaster]

voicey said:

Whoever ended up with it has been burnt - badly.

Insightful knowing what you know. If these cars are now blue chip, they probably shouldn't be on CC from here.

[MDL111]

Ffffaster said:

voicey said:

Whoever ended up with it has been burnt - badly.

Insightful knowing what you know. If these cars are now blue chip, they probably shouldn't be on CC from here.

but then again they also had an XJR15 for sale, which is definitely blue chip nowadays imo.

The <9k km CS from that collection in Switzerland sold for 29x CHF not that long ago at auction (sotheby's maybe), so this one seemed like "not great value" imo (and that was before voicey posted)

[WCZ]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-ferrari-360...

sold for 971k

will be plenty of cars around europe that will never be driven again imo as prices here catch up

[PRO5T]

Can anyone remember a TDF Blue one that was either CAT D or known to have been patched up, way back in the day? I think it was being offered for circa £75-85k or something? When decent cars were maybe £110k or less?

I remember buying the Challenge Stradale brochure from eBay as I figured once they fell to about £60k I'd buy one. Well, at least I still have the brochure!

[MDL111]

PRO5T said:

Can anyone remember a TDF Blue one that was either CAT D or known to have been patched up, way back in the day? I think it was being offered for circa £75-85k or something? When decent cars were maybe £110k or less?

I remember buying the Challenge Stradale brochure from eBay as I figured once they fell to about £60k I'd buy one. Well, at least I still have the brochure!

yes I think so, with tan interior from memory.

[MDL111]

just realised the black car was sold on CC in 2021 for 140k and driven a grand total of 100km during ownership. I think I'd have to never actually take delivery and have it put straight into a storage unit and try to forget I own it to achieve that ....

[AmoCS]

DK Eng car up for £600k sold, and this just hit the market.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202603050...

[MDL111]

AmoCS said:

DK Eng car up for £600k sold, and this just hit the market.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202603050...

that is a lot of money for a RHD 30k miles car. wow, maybe I was wrong and even the not-collector-grade cars will be big money. got proven wrong rather quickly there then I guess.

[Ted Maul]

AmoCS said:

DK Eng car up for £600k sold, and this just hit the market.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202603050...

That's just insane, what the hell happened to the market? It's a great car but honestly, that's just simply not worth that amount of money. Utterly bonkers.