Challenge Stradale thread

[Ffffaster]

Ted Maul said:

That's just insane, what the hell happened to the market? It's a great car but honestly, that's just simply not worth that amount of money. Utterly bonkers.

Agree, and I am a big fan. I think the gap between LHD and RHD s going to stop being material soon enough as well. 30,000 miles RHD and £480,000 - let's see if it sells! Seems to be a private sale too.

[janahan9]

All gone crazy, as that DK car was up at £500k for a while. Then they up it to £600k and says sold! Market has shifted massively, in a such a short space of time!

[Ted Maul]

I just don't get it. It's a wonderful car but even the exclusivity doesn't justify the price. If you were just looking at performance alone any number of Ferraris would out perform it at half the price. It's just not that special, it just isn't!

[ThreesixtyM]

Ted Maul said:

I just don't get it. It's a wonderful car but even the exclusivity doesn't justify the price. If you were just looking at performance alone any number of Ferraris would out perform it at half the price. It's just not that special, it just isn't!

It’s not how fast it goes, it’s how it goes fast.

Performance figures are largely irrelevant when assessing value.
Have you looked at the price of “performance” Ford’s lately? With a few exceptions IMO they weren’t that great when they were new. The market is the market.

I’ve had my CS for 14 years and have driven high performance cars my whole driving career, including a 3.2 carrera at university (IMO they’re overpriced, but that’s for a different thread)
Nothing would induce me to sell the CS. In 5 years time the price point now will seem cheap.

[MDL111]

ThreesixtyM said:

Ted Maul said:

I just don't get it. It's a wonderful car but even the exclusivity doesn't justify the price. If you were just looking at performance alone any number of Ferraris would out perform it at half the price. It's just not that special, it just isn't!

It s not how fast it goes, it s how it goes fast.

Performance figures are largely irrelevant when assessing value.
Have you looked at the price of performance Ford s lately? With a few exceptions IMO they weren t that great when they were new. The market is the market.

I ve had my CS for 14 years and have driven high performance cars my whole driving career, including a 3.2 carrera at university (IMO they re overpriced, but that s for a different thread)
Nothing would induce me to sell the CS. In 5 years time the price point now will seem cheap.

fully agreed. One can make an imo very sensible and valid argument that being - relatively speaking - slower is actually a selling point and not a disadvantage.

[Ted Maul]

ThreesixtyM said:

Ted Maul said:

I just don't get it. It's a wonderful car but even the exclusivity doesn't justify the price. If you were just looking at performance alone any number of Ferraris would out perform it at half the price. It's just not that special, it just isn't!

It s not how fast it goes, it s how it goes fast.

Performance figures are largely irrelevant when assessing value.
Have you looked at the price of performance Ford s lately? With a few exceptions IMO they weren t that great when they were new. The market is the market.

I ve had my CS for 14 years and have driven high performance cars my whole driving career, including a 3.2 carrera at university (IMO they re overpriced, but that s for a different thread)
Nothing would induce me to sell the CS. In 5 years time the price point now will seem cheap.

You’re focusing on the wrong part, I wouldn’t use the performance as the reason for its price, I perhaps should have said, ‘Even if performance…’ But I agree with you all the same. I had a silly conversation with someone who said a ‘Tesla would smoke my F430’ so that was a fun discussion.

On the one hand I’m pleased that the market is picking up on the CS but my god, it’s gone bananas and I just can’t get my head around it. Same for the 430 Scuderia, that’s gone nuts as well.

[MDL111]

Ted Maul said:

ThreesixtyM said:

Ted Maul said:

I just don't get it. It's a wonderful car but even the exclusivity doesn't justify the price. If you were just looking at performance alone any number of Ferraris would out perform it at half the price. It's just not that special, it just isn't!

It s not how fast it goes, it s how it goes fast.

Performance figures are largely irrelevant when assessing value.
Have you looked at the price of performance Ford s lately? With a few exceptions IMO they weren t that great when they were new. The market is the market.

I ve had my CS for 14 years and have driven high performance cars my whole driving career, including a 3.2 carrera at university (IMO they re overpriced, but that s for a different thread)
Nothing would induce me to sell the CS. In 5 years time the price point now will seem cheap.

You re focusing on the wrong part, I wouldn t use the performance as the reason for its price, I perhaps should have said, Even if performance But I agree with you all the same. I had a silly conversation with someone who said a Tesla would smoke my F430 so that was a fun discussion.

On the one hand I m pleased that the market is picking up on the CS but my god, it s gone bananas and I just can t get my head around it. Same for the 430 Scuderia, that s gone nuts as well.

I think the question people ask themselves is probably - would I rather drive an SF90 (or Testarossa, the new one) or a CS or a Scuderia. Which one will give me more pleasure (and then probably also which might appreciate, but that is a little more boring as a topic). I genuinely regret no longer having access to the Scuderia - I underappreciated it while I had it and now it is gone and I won't buy another one at current prices.
I do think prices over the last 3-6 months have gone a bit crazy, not sure what the reason is / why so suddenly and where the buyers are coming from, but they seem to be there. Neither the Scuderia nor the CS are truly rare cars, so that cant be the "only" driver.

[MDL111]

as an aside I suspect the guys who did the manual conversions are now getting their credit cards out to convert them back to standard ....

[ThreesixtyM]

The generation that had the CS as their poster car are now hitting their stride in terms of earning potential.
20 years ago the F40 was £250-300k, or thereabouts and they made more of those than CS s.

If you want a visceral, raw Ferrari driving experience there s not much in the product range to rival the CS.
This is why I maintain it s still a bargain.
It s clear that the market is adjusting quicker than some people s perceptions, but these people aren t relevant to the rising market. The DK Engineering CS sat at £500k for a while, it jumped to £600k after Mecum and is now sold. This speaks for itself.

Edited by ThreesixtyM on Saturday 7th March 09:02

[AmoCS]

Quote from an owner on F-chat (F40-R) who owns - F40, F50, 250, 308, 328, 355, 360 CS, 430 Scud, 430 GT3 and a Dino 246.

"I'll be honest the Stradale has as they say more soul, no other car is as raw, as loud and a pleasure to drive. I don't like saying it but I have nearly all of them and that is my choice."

https://clubstradale.com/challenge-stradale-owner-...

[ThreesixtyM]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i-T261gCEak

Only 123 views. It deserves a bit more exposure

[AmoCS]

Best advert ever.......

https://clubstradale.com/viewtopic.php?p=4346#p434...

[ThreesixtyM]

AmoCS said:

Best advert ever.......

https://clubstradale.com/viewtopic.php?p=4346#p434...

Another favourite of mine

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iItzJc-NHI4&pp=y...

Got back from Maranello/Modena last night and today the sun is shining, a perfect day to take the CS out to make some noise !

[Mike 360]

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20138925

82466 km

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https://challengestradale.com/135073.html

[Abc321]

I think that's Andy74 from this parish? Recognise the plate.

[andy74b]

Abc321 said:

I think that's Andy74 from this parish? Recognise the plate.

It is!

[NDA]

This might be of interest, there's some discussion on the Stradale roughly from where I've linked

https://youtu.be/Rqpn_z4Fi9E?t=2578

[WCZ]

Mike 360 said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20138925

82466 km

ZFFDT57B000135073
https://challengestradale.com/135073.html

great value imo

[tomtom]

WCZ said:

great value imo

I agree. Very cheap. Anyone wanna buy my very rare spec, 22k mile, car for £400k?

[AmoCS]

https://youtu.be/9XAeRmp2x4Y?si=bGOaJxKzuxFYMMnQ