What are your top 3 best looking Ferraris of all time?

What are your top 3 best looking Ferraris of all time?

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is-uk

1,097 posts

165 months

Tuesday 24th December 2019
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crowfield said:
They were just badged as a Dino by the factory. Owners have added the Ferrari badges
The Ferrari badges were added to a lot of UK cars when they were new and before delivery to customers by Maranello Concessionaires - with the official approval of the factory - as it helped sales.

Fiammetta

118 posts

37 months

Wednesday 25th December 2019
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My pick .







In reverse order 3/2/1

Fiammetta

118 posts

37 months

Wednesday 25th December 2019
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is-uk said:
crowfield said:
They were just badged as a Dino by the factory. Owners have added the Ferrari badges
The Ferrari badges were added to a lot of UK cars when they were new and before delivery to customers by Maranello Concessionaires - with the official approval of the factory - as it helped sales.
This occurred around 75/76 .Dealers had there own interpretation of the official letter from the factory .Thats why the badges / F Emblems are all over the place .I don’t think owners messed about .The trend today is actually to De Ferrari them and return back to Dino as the Dino brand is becoming a highly collectible sub set from the 70 ,s .
Having said that the internal plates clearly state what they are ......for those that still doubt the provenance of Gandinis work for Ferrari while he was at Bertone .






Wheels ...”..Ferrari “ alloys but “ Dino “ centre cap .


Engine = Ferrari as per 308 Pininfarina modal



Dino dials and horn button .Insides all “ Dino “



Same mirrors 312 to GT 4 as he developed the chassis and insisted while testing .


All this adds to pleasure of ownership tbo .

Edited by Fiammetta on Wednesday 25th December 17:30


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Wilmslowboy

2,687 posts

155 months

Wednesday 25th December 2019
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What about the breadvan ?


P5BNij

4,779 posts

55 months

Wednesday 25th December 2019
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Fiammetta said:
is-uk said:
crowfield said:
They were just badged as a Dino by the factory. Owners have added the Ferrari badges
The Ferrari badges were added to a lot of UK cars when they were new and before delivery to customers by Maranello Concessionaires - with the official approval of the factory - as it helped sales.
This occurred around 75/76 .Dealers had there own interpretation of the official letter from the factory .Thats why the badges / F Emblems are all over the place .I don’t think owners messed about .The trend today is actually to De Ferrari them and return back to Dino as the Dino brand is becoming a highly collectible sub set from the 70 ,s .
Having said that the internal plates clearly state what they are ......for those that still doubt the provenance of Gandinis work for Ferrari while he was at Bertone .






Wheels ...”..Ferrari “ alloys but “ Dino “ centre cap .


Engine = Ferrari as per 308 Pininfarina modal



Dino dials and horn button .Insides all “ Dino “



Same mirrors 312 to GT 4 as he developed the chassis and insisted while testing .


All this adds to pleasure of ownership tbo .

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Edited by Fiammetta on Wednesday 25th December 17:37
Interesting point about the varied advice sent out to the dealers regarding the badge positioning, it explains a lot. Gandini dusted off his own rejected idea for the Lamborghini Urraco when Bertone were given the 208/308GT4 job and tweaked it a bit....






Muzzer79

2,997 posts

136 months

Wednesday 25th December 2019
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For beauty, one really has to look at the 60’s, before aero really took over.

250 SWB


250 GT California


That said, I also go weak at the knees for a 550 Maranello at the moment

Eazy71

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17 posts

5 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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That California is bellissimo!

is-uk

1,097 posts

165 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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Fiammetta said:
This occurred around 75/76 .Dealers had there own interpretation of the official letter from the factory .Thats why the badges / F Emblems are all over the place .I don’t think owners messed about .The trend today is actually to De Ferrari them and return back to Dino as the Dino brand is becoming a highly collectible sub set from the 70 ,s .
Having said that the internal plates clearly state what they are ......for those that still doubt the provenance of Gandinis work for Ferrari while he was at Bertone .


Edited by Fiammetta on Wednesday 25th December 17:37
You are referring to the 308 GT4. I was commenting on the 246. I've restored four 246's and carried out a huge amount of research into the model to get all the details correct with the aid of Matthias Bartz and Tony Willis. One of my cars had the Ferrari badges from new which were fitted by Maranello Concessionaires before delivery in 1972 with photo's and paperwork confirming this so they were kept on the car. All of my other Dinos were returned to the default position of no external Ferrari badging. A friend owns a chairs and flares 246 GT from 1973 which was Maranello's demonstrator and that also had the Ferrari badge and Cavalino fitted by them when new along with other items such as the nose bar and headlamp covers that they offered as dealer fitted accessories. The economy was in a pretty bad state in the early 70's and the 246 was a very expensive car with an unknown badge on it at that point so dealers struggled to sell them at times. The original paperwork for my cars show varying levels of increasingly substantial discount incentives to generate a sale and those date from 1971 through to 1974 so it was an ongoing problem. I know of examples that sat in HR Owen's showroom window for the best part of a year for example during the oil crisis. The addition of Ferrari logos to the cars helped to justify the price for some owners and allowed dealers to shift stock.

The rebranding of the 308 model line to Ferrari from Dino was driven by the US market where dealers struggled to sell the Bertone designed GT4 which was not as well received as the 246 that preceded it. The prototype of the 308 GTB wore Dino badging along with the same Cromodora "Dino" alloy wheels as the 246 but this was changed to Ferrari branding for the production model following the switch over on the GT4 version. Had the 308 GTB been launched as the follow up model to the 246 and worn the Dino badging as intended by Enzo, the Dino brand may have gained much wider acceptance in the important US market and the name may have carried on for the V8 model line.


P5BNij

4,779 posts

55 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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Were any production 308GTBs sold with 'Dino' style Cromodoras or did they all have the five pointed 'ATS' style alloys...?

I'm going to be cheeky and squeeze in a fourth favourite - the 330GTC, which I've always liked the look of with the 'solid' Borranis rather than wires...


Fiammetta

118 posts

37 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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is-uk said:
You are referring to the 308 GT4. I was commenting on the 246. I've restored four 246's and carried out a huge amount of research into the model to get all the details correct with the aid of Matthias Bartz and Tony Willis. One of my cars had the Ferrari badges from new which were fitted by Maranello Concessionaires before delivery in 1972 with photo's and paperwork confirming this so they were kept on the car. All of my other Dinos were returned to the default position of no external Ferrari badging. A friend owns a chairs and flares 246 GT from 1973 which was Maranello's demonstrator and that also had the Ferrari badge and Cavalino fitted by them when new along with other items such as the nose bar and headlamp covers that they offered as dealer fitted accessories. The economy was in a pretty bad state in the early 70's and the 246 was a very expensive car with an unknown badge on it at that point so dealers struggled to sell them at times. The original paperwork for my cars show varying levels of increasingly substantial discount incentives to generate a sale and those date from 1971 through to 1974 so it was an ongoing problem. I know of examples that sat in HR Owen's showroom window for the best part of a year for example during the oil crisis. The addition of Ferrari logos to the cars helped to justify the price for some owners and allowed dealers to shift stock.

The rebranding of the 308 model line to Ferrari from Dino was driven by the US market where dealers struggled to sell the Bertone designed GT4 which was not as well received as the 246 that preceded it. The prototype of the 308 GTB wore Dino badging along with the same Cromodora "Dino" alloy wheels as the 246 but this was changed to Ferrari branding for the production model following the switch over on the GT4 version. Had the 308 GTB been launched as the follow up model to the 246 and worn the Dino badging as intended by Enzo, the Dino brand may have gained much wider acceptance in the important US market and the name may have carried on for the V8 model line.

Interesting .Great shame nobody @ Marenello can see what someone in Munich (BMW) saw with the mini brand almost 20 years ago .
There’s gotta be huge pent up marketing waiting to be unleashed .
By using the “Dino “ brand it’s an opportunity to double the 6 K or production number without actually this time mixing up brands .I mean drawing a distinct difference between F V8,s and V12,s and the new Dino .
Dipping into the groups parts bins and working up the V6 and turbo inline 4 s .
Rumour has it the Alfa 4 c was worked up as above .
Since the factory it’s made is right next door to the Ferrari factory in Marenello, but a plain grey anonymous building with no signs or logos .Suspect they got cold feet at the 11 th hour .
Imho theses days there’s definitely a sub space between Alfa - Maserati and Ferrari to easily ( not force or squeeze) another brand like Dino .

I think they ( Fiat group ) lost a opportunity badging they A4C an Alfa .Alfa didn’t do mid engined 2 seater stuff up to then .Ok there’s a MC12 which was a Enzo clone Not sure why ?
It’s as if on balance in the board room after the rows they just won’t move on the Ferrari brand if there’s the slightest whiff of brand dilution.

The confusing gestation and subsequent abortion in the mid 70,s of the Dino stand alone brand just muddled it all up , having said that 40 + years and time heals wounds .

Current 488 is arguably not as aesthetically pleasing as previous Pininfarina stuff .So the danger of Ferrari revamping Dino .....under there fold as opposed to a sub stand alone above Alfa is the new Ferrari Dino if it was drop dead ( only in a Pininfarina way ) gorgeous it would rob sales from the “ proper “ V8 mid engined line .

So I can see how the board can’t agree what to do or where to place the Dino brand .

LordHaveMurci

10,071 posts

118 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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P5BNij said:
I'm going to be cheeky and squeeze in a fourth favourite - the 330GTC, which I've always liked the look of with the 'solid' Borranis rather than wires...

Amazed this hasn’t been mentioned until now, such a beautiful car cloud9

Pericoloso

41,495 posts

112 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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I said 3 wasn't enough so have a 2nd top 3.


Pericoloso

41,495 posts

112 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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Pericoloso

41,495 posts

112 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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I just really like the very early cars ,especially the

road race cars

is-uk

1,097 posts

165 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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Fiammetta said:
Interesting .Great shame nobody @ Marenello can see what someone in Munich (BMW) saw with the mini brand almost 20 years ago .
There’s gotta be huge pent up marketing waiting to be unleashed .
By using the “Dino “ brand it’s an opportunity to double the 6 K or production number without actually this time mixing up brands .I mean drawing a distinct difference between F V8,s and V12,s and the new Dino .
Dipping into the groups parts bins and working up the V6 and turbo inline 4 s .
Rumour has it the Alfa 4 c was worked up as above .
Since the factory it’s made is right next door to the Ferrari factory in Marenello, but a plain grey anonymous building with no signs or logos .Suspect they got cold feet at the 11 th hour .
Imho theses days there’s definitely a sub space between Alfa - Maserati and Ferrari to easily ( not force or squeeze) another brand like Dino .

I think they ( Fiat group ) lost a opportunity badging they A4C an Alfa .Alfa didn’t do mid engined 2 seater stuff up to then .Ok there’s a MC12 which was a Enzo clone Not sure why ?
It’s as if on balance in the board room after the rows they just won’t move on the Ferrari brand if there’s the slightest whiff of brand dilution.

The confusing gestation and subsequent abortion in the mid 70,s of the Dino stand alone brand just muddled it all up , having said that 40 + years and time heals wounds .

Current 488 is arguably not as aesthetically pleasing as previous Pininfarina stuff .So the danger of Ferrari revamping Dino .....under there fold as opposed to a sub stand alone above Alfa is the new Ferrari Dino if it was drop dead ( only in a Pininfarina way ) gorgeous it would rob sales from the “ proper “ V8 mid engined line .

So I can see how the board can’t agree what to do or where to place the Dino brand .
The 4C does have a mid engined predecessor - the Tipo 33 Stradale. The car was made in the Maserati factory in Modena and not next door to the Ferrari assembly plant in Maranello. Maserati look to be possibly using the carbon tub of the 4C for their upcoming MMXX model due for reveal next May.

There is a good Quest documentary that charts the background to the development of the 4C. It was a project born from a long held desire of then head of Alfa Romeo Harald Wester, to produce a lightweight, back to basics mid-engined drivers car that was relatively affordable and could provide a halo low run specialist model for the brand whilst the new volume production models were being engineered. He enlisted Lorenzo Ramaciotti (ex Pininfarina) to head up Alfa's design team and challenged him to create a design for this model. They brought in Dallara to engineer the carbon fibre tub and looked to the internal parts bin to source some of the lightest components off the shelf for the car but a lot of it is bespoke. The 1750 four cylinger turbo engine is an extensively reworked version of the engine found in the Giulietta Cloverleaf model. The block for the 4C is cast in aluminium to save considerable weight for example whilst the Giulietta has an iron block. Part of the documentary can be found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUZZ3LCNjlw


Edited by is-uk on Thursday 26th December 22:57

YouTalkinToMe

2,426 posts

47 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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348
412
Mondial 8

..haha, nah.

250 LM
250 PF Coupe
275 GTB

FezSpider

335 posts

181 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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To me.
1/ 250 SWB
2/ 246 Dino
3/ 288 GTO

jaisharma

358 posts

132 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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288 GTO
308 /328 - a pattern forming here...
512 bb possibly the third although I might change my mind tomorrow

The p4 and 512 Le Mans cars were fab

Post 355 (which is super although I think has a bit of bulk above the front wheel) they lost their beauty for me although the 458 is an exception

Taffy66

3,274 posts

51 months

Saturday 28th December 2019
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jaisharma said:
288 GTO
308 /328 - a pattern forming here...
512 bb possibly the third although I might change my mind tomorrow

The p4 and 512 Le Mans cars were fab

Post 355 (which is super although I think has a bit of bulk above the front wheel) they lost their beauty for me although the 458 is an exception
I agree with this 100% from the first word to the very last..Only the 458 and F12 of the contemporary cars can be described as truly stunning and will continue to do so IMO

jaisharma

358 posts

132 months

Sunday 29th December 2019
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Clearly a person of excellent taste!