LP560-2 to Mk1 SL

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Never you mind

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111 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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Well should I?

n17ves

591 posts

177 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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What's the rationale?

I would have said the 50th Anniversary is the better car...

Never you mind

Original Poster:

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111 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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No rationale really however its the car I originally wanted but instead I bought the 50th. No remorse on the 50th it's freaking awesome and it's RWD but would the SL give me something a little bit more special?


And it's just sold, though not to me. 2nd time I've missed out on that car.

Edited by Never you mind on Friday 21st July 15:24


Edited by Never you mind on Friday 21st July 15:36

n17ves

591 posts

177 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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Never you mind said:
No rationale really however its the car I originally wanted but instead I bought the 50th. No remorse on the 50th it's freaking awesome and it's RWD but would the SL give me something a little bit more special?


And it's just sold, though not to me. 2nd time I've missed out on that car.

Edited by Never you mind on Friday 21st July 15:24


Edited by Never you mind on Friday 21st July 15:36
But what more does the SL bring? 4WD at the sacrifice of steering feel?

Unless I'm missing something, I just see this as a step back - older car, less steering feel, older engine/box and not as good power/weight. 50th Anniversary is the one to have of all the Gallardos IMHO, although sadly nobody spec'd one with the manual in the UK frown

Genuinely interested in opinions on this as I have often considered both.

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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The 570 SL2 or Performante are a whole step-up from the 560 and a much better choice.

EpsomJames

790 posts

245 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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The MK1 SL is a lot more hardcore than your 560-2.

In comparison, the MK1 SL has stiffer suspension, louder exhaust, less sound deadening, thinner windscreen, some polycarbonate windows instead of glass, p zero corsa tyres (unless they've been changed), no parking sensors. Most of them will have (early tech) CCBs, 4 point harnesses with half roll cage and some with no stereo. Then you have to consider the refinements that LP brought over pre-LP and that 4WD feels less refined than 2WD IMO, such as crabbing when tight lock at low speeds etc.

So, the SL definitely won't be as easy to live with as a daily over your 560-2, but (depending how you view things) might feel more special as a weekend car.

EpsomJames

790 posts

245 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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Yipper said:
The 570 SL2 or Performante are a whole step-up from the 560 and a much better choice.
I'm genuinely interested to know what changes Lamborghini made to the 570-4 SL2 over the 560-4, other than the extra 10ps. The weight saving is reported to not be as much as with the MK1 SL over the MK1 Gallardo (520ps), so does that mean they didn't go quite as extreme, or did the 560-4 already have some weight saving bits?

I can't actually find anything definitive on the 'net about this, other than carbon bits were used.

\sorry for slight thread drift

AndrewD

7,527 posts

283 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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I love the gen 1 SL and to me, the subsequent gen SL's were just tarted up 560's. Personal choice though.
The gen 1 brakes are quite grabby, probably matters less on an e gear car but makes H&T more challenging on a manual.
The cars are 10 years old but still look fresh today. A classic piece of design.

andrew

9,952 posts

191 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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EpsomJames said:
I'm genuinely interested to know what changes Lamborghini made to the 570-4 SL2 over the 560-4, other than the extra 10ps. The weight saving is reported to not be as much as with the MK1 SL over the MK1 Gallardo (520ps), so does that mean they didn't go quite as extreme, or did the 560-4 already have some weight saving bits?

I can't actually find anything definitive on the 'net about this, other than carbon bits were used.

\sorry for slight thread drift
sant'agata were very shy on this

the 550/60/70 had similar consumption and emission figures, and the originally published torque curves were identical save for the +/-2% tweek at peak revs

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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EpsomJames said:
Yipper said:
The 570 SL2 or Performante are a whole step-up from the 560 and a much better choice.
I'm genuinely interested to know what changes Lamborghini made to the 570-4 SL2 over the 560-4, other than the extra 10ps. The weight saving is reported to not be as much as with the MK1 SL over the MK1 Gallardo (520ps), so does that mean they didn't go quite as extreme, or did the 560-4 already have some weight saving bits?

I can't actually find anything definitive on the 'net about this, other than carbon bits were used.

\sorry for slight thread drift
The SL2 is a masterpiece. A work of art on wheels, with its big wing and sideskirts, big front-scoops, ceramic exhaust, titanium wheels, Alcantara interior, and carbon everywhere in the engine bay, exterior trim, brakes and cabin. Looks beautiful from every angle. It knocked off ~100kg of curbweight from the 560-4 and added ~10bhp. It has a 70-30 rear-bias, and is ~70% based on the Super Trofeo racecar, so it will handle like a rear-wheeler when you want it to. In Corsa mode, the howl on the upshift and blipped downshift are a symphony. It hits 60mph in 3.0secs, and as quick round the Ring as a 458 Italia. The SL2 (and Performante and Tecnica) were the Gallardo peak, and in many ways better than the slightly anaemic and ugly-from-some-angles Huracan that followed it.

EpsomJames

790 posts

245 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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Yipper said:
EpsomJames said:
Yipper said:
The 570 SL2 or Performante are a whole step-up from the 560 and a much better choice.
I'm genuinely interested to know what changes Lamborghini made to the 570-4 SL2 over the 560-4, other than the extra 10ps. The weight saving is reported to not be as much as with the MK1 SL over the MK1 Gallardo (520ps), so does that mean they didn't go quite as extreme, or did the 560-4 already have some weight saving bits?

I can't actually find anything definitive on the 'net about this, other than carbon bits were used.

\sorry for slight thread drift
The SL2 is a masterpiece. A work of art on wheels, with its big wing and sideskirts, big front-scoops, ceramic exhaust, titanium wheels, Alcantara interior, and carbon everywhere in the engine bay, exterior trim, brakes and cabin. Looks beautiful from every angle. It knocked off ~100kg of curbweight from the 560-4 and added ~10bhp. It has a 70-30 rear-bias, and is ~70% based on the Super Trofeo racecar, so it will handle like a rear-wheeler when you want it to. In Corsa mode, the howl on the upshift and blipped downshift are a symphony. It hits 60mph in 3.0secs, and as quick round the Ring as a 458 Italia. The SL2 (and Performante and Tecnica) were the Gallardo peak, and in many ways better than the slightly anaemic and ugly-from-some-angles Huracan that followed it.
Very enthusiastic of you, but some of your "facts" aren't quite correct.

- There is a black ceramic coating applied to the exhaust tips as seen on some previous Lamborghinis, rather than a ceramic exhaust.
- Titanium wheel nuts, rather than the actual wheels which are a forged alloy.
- The weight saving is reported as 70kg over the 560-4, you are thinking of the MK1 SL which has the 100kg reported weight saving over the standard car.
- 0-60mph in 3 seconds dead, really? Lamborghini claims 0-100kmh in 3.4s.

What I'm interested to know though is, does the 570-4 SL have thinner windscreen glass, polycarbonate windows and removed sound deadening?

Also I just had a look at a video of the tarted up engine bay, why add stuff when you can just remove it totally like the original SL?

andrew

9,952 posts

191 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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EpsomJames said:
Yipper said:
EpsomJames said:
Yipper said:
The 570 SL2 or Performante are a whole step-up from the 560 and a much better choice.
I'm genuinely interested to know what changes Lamborghini made to the 570-4 SL2 over the 560-4, other than the extra 10ps. The weight saving is reported to not be as much as with the MK1 SL over the MK1 Gallardo (520ps), so does that mean they didn't go quite as extreme, or did the 560-4 already have some weight saving bits?

I can't actually find anything definitive on the 'net about this, other than carbon bits were used.

\sorry for slight thread drift
The SL2 is a masterpiece. A work of art on wheels, with its big wing and sideskirts, big front-scoops, ceramic exhaust, titanium wheels, Alcantara interior, and carbon everywhere in the engine bay, exterior trim, brakes and cabin. Looks beautiful from every angle. It knocked off ~100kg of curbweight from the 560-4 and added ~10bhp. It has a 70-30 rear-bias, and is ~70% based on the Super Trofeo racecar, so it will handle like a rear-wheeler when you want it to. In Corsa mode, the howl on the upshift and blipped downshift are a symphony. It hits 60mph in 3.0secs, and as quick round the Ring as a 458 Italia. The SL2 (and Performante and Tecnica) were the Gallardo peak, and in many ways better than the slightly anaemic and ugly-from-some-angles Huracan that followed it.
Very enthusiastic of you, but some of your "facts" aren't quite correct.

- There is a black ceramic coating applied to the exhaust tips as seen on some previous Lamborghinis, rather than a ceramic exhaust.
- Titanium wheel nuts, rather than the actual wheels which are a forged alloy.
- The weight saving is reported as 70kg over the 560-4, you are thinking of the MK1 SL which has the 100kg reported weight saving over the standard car.
- 0-60mph in 3 seconds dead, really? Lamborghini claims 0-100kmh in 3.4s.

What I'm interested to know though is, does the 570-4 SL have thinner windscreen glass, polycarbonate windows and removed sound deadening?

Also I just had a look at a video of the tarted up engine bay, why add stuff when you can just remove it totally like the original SL?
who needs facts when we have Yipper ?!
the thinner windscreen and poly windows were carried over
not sure re the sound proofing, but reverting to the standard engine meant it was sadly much quieter

andrew

9,952 posts

191 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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^ the above applies to uk cars
( the usa obliged their original superleggera to have standard glazing, seats and belts : no clue re 570 and/or other markets )

Never you mind

Original Poster:

1,507 posts

111 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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The LP560-2 is the lightest of the Gallardo's. well according to 70proof and he should know.

Sticking with mine at the end of the day not only as that SL is sold (Max your off my Christmas card list) but mainly as I love that it's RWD and just a lot of fun.

According to Lambo my 0 - 60 is 3.2. Just saying wink

AndrewD

7,527 posts

283 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Never you mind said:
The LP560-2 is the lightest of the Gallardo's. well according to 70proof and he should know.
I wouldn't believe Mohan hehe

Never you mind

Original Poster:

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111 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Well his is green so it's faster than most but

1,558 kg (3,434 lb) Supperleggera[4]
1,547 kg (3,410 lb) LP550-2

You can shave 30 lbs of the LP550-2 as the 560-2 comes with carbon buckets, well mine does.

AndrewD

7,527 posts

283 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Never you mind said:
Well his is green so it's faster than most but

1,558 kg (3,434 lb) Supperleggera[4]
1,547 kg (3,410 lb) LP550-2

You can shave 30 lbs of the LP550-2 as the 560-2 comes with carbon buckets, well mine does.
How much does a manual gen 1 SL weigh without that egear gubbins? Mine is manual.

andrew

9,952 posts

191 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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AndrewD said:
Never you mind said:
Well his is green so it's faster than most but

1,558 kg (3,434 lb) Supperleggera[4]
1,547 kg (3,410 lb) LP550-2

You can shave 30 lbs of the LP550-2 as the 560-2 comes with carbon buckets, well mine does.
How much does a manual gen 1 SL weigh without that egear gubbins? Mine is manual.
yours weighs more 'cause it's got a big knob in the cockpit
hth thumbup

AndrewD

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283 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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andrew said:
yours weighs more 'cause it's got a big knob in the cockpit
hth thumbup
In your dreams burger boy

andrew

9,952 posts

191 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Never you mind said:
Well his is green so it's faster than most but

1,558 kg (3,434 lb) Supperleggera[4]
1,547 kg (3,410 lb) LP550-2

You can shave 30 lbs of the LP550-2 as the 560-2 comes with carbon buckets, well mine does.
that superleggera figure's from car and driver for an american spec car : glass windows, no buckets etc