Performante - talk to me :)
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KHK said:
UK dealers must be sitting on a stockpile of coupe allocations because new coupe and even spyder allocations for the US/Canada market are non-existent. I know Lamborghini has run into an issue with EPA certification because of some minor tweaks to the V10 for MY19 so with the delays and production ending soon for the refresh they might be shifting allocation to EU dealers.
I've noticed the exotic car market in the UK is in a massive slump atm, prices are all over the place so it's definitely a buyers market. It'll be very interesting to see what happens with SVJ prices because I know a handful of people who've decided to bail because of the high production number.
The SVJ production numbers were certainly a lot more than I expected- I’m sure the demand will still be there.I've noticed the exotic car market in the UK is in a massive slump atm, prices are all over the place so it's definitely a buyers market. It'll be very interesting to see what happens with SVJ prices because I know a handful of people who've decided to bail because of the high production number.
According to my dealer there is strong demand for the
Last HP’s off the production line.
I do think £50k under list in 6 months is possible for those who went crazy with as personam options including £12k paints etc which don’t add any real resale value.
What are people’s views on the dynamic steering option?
I had this on my gen 2 R8 V10 Plus and hated it, made the steering very light at low speeds and it just kicked in without tapering the assistance as your speed dropped. I drove a HP and it felt a lot better but still somewhat light.
I had this on my gen 2 R8 V10 Plus and hated it, made the steering very light at low speeds and it just kicked in without tapering the assistance as your speed dropped. I drove a HP and it felt a lot better but still somewhat light.
AndrewD said:
What are people’s views on the dynamic steering option?
I had this on my gen 2 R8 V10 Plus and hated it, made the steering very light at low speeds and it just kicked in without tapering the assistance as your speed dropped. I drove a HP and it felt a lot better but still somewhat light.
I haven't driven a Performante but might be buying one next year and the one option i will avoid at all costs is the Dynamic steering..Another option which needs very careful consideration are the C/F racing seats, as if their anything like the ones on the Aventador then not really suitable for spending more than a couple of hours in..They're no where near as comfortable as Porsche's LWBS or Ferrari's Goldrake C/F seats.I had this on my gen 2 R8 V10 Plus and hated it, made the steering very light at low speeds and it just kicked in without tapering the assistance as your speed dropped. I drove a HP and it felt a lot better but still somewhat light.
Taffy66 said:
I haven't driven a Performante but might be buying one next year and the one option i will avoid at all costs is the Dynamic steering..Another option which needs very careful consideration are the C/F racing seats, as if their anything like the ones on the Aventador then not really suitable for spending more than a couple of hours in..They're no where near as comfortable as Porsche's LWBS or Ferrari's Goldrake C/F seats.
Hi Taffy. Yep, I tried both seats and it is the “comfort” ones I would go with as well personally. Superleg48 said:
In terms of seating, I would just remove the bucket seats and replace with a pair of wing back armchairs with the legs cut off. These will go nicely with my shortened standard lamp that I will place between them to create that “Club Lounge” atmosphere I want to create...
As long as they are the button back Chesterfield style then i'm all for it..KHK said:
Turbo cab said:
Anyone genuinely interested can feel free to PM me 
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The correct words were "sizable" and given coupes are retailing for circa 30k under list, anyone with half a brain can see this makes complete sense. Something would need to be offered as there would have to be an incentive to take a new car over a slightly used, even in supercar territory taking a 50k hit if you wanted to trade it in after a day is a bit excessive and that's exactly where you'd be if you purchased a brand new one with a half decent spec.
UK dealers must be sitting on a stockpile of coupe allocations because new coupe and even spyder allocations for the US/Canada market are non-existent. I know Lamborghini has run into an issue with EPA certification because of some minor tweaks to the V10 for MY19 so with the delays and production ending soon for the refresh they might be shifting allocation to EU dealers..The correct words were "sizable" and given coupes are retailing for circa 30k under list, anyone with half a brain can see this makes complete sense. Something would need to be offered as there would have to be an incentive to take a new car over a slightly used, even in supercar territory taking a 50k hit if you wanted to trade it in after a day is a bit excessive and that's exactly where you'd be if you purchased a brand new one with a half decent spec.
I've noticed the exotic car market in the UK is in a massive slump atm, prices are all over the place so it's definitely a buyers market. It'll be very interesting to see what happens with SVJ prices because I know a handful of people who've decided to bail because of the high production number.
with regard emission issues in the states with the V10, this is what happened with the original Huracan and caused an oversupply to Europe. I'm surprised they have the same issue again.
Steve
Edited by sone on Monday 8th October 09:29
I recall being told at the time of the Huracan's initial release that a load of early cars (100 approximately) were diverted to the UK from the US because of an emissions issue. Entirely believable therefore that the same has occurred with the Performante. Odd isn't it that Porsche have had the exact opposite issue, diverting European cars into the US. I guess one must assume that VW still don't have a real handle on emissions issues across their brands...
Deano84 said:
Speaking to a couple of main dealers the HP’s with the comfort seats are selling quicker than those with the carbon bucket seats due to how uncomfortable they are- Mine has the buckets and they are pretty hard to live with when driving for over 30 minutes.
I just came back from an Alps tour 2 weeks ago. My passenger and I did 6-8 hours driving in mine each day for 10 days, with the carbon buckets, and were absolutely fine. Also, a chap on here (Turbo cab I think) recently posted his experiences between swapping from the Perf coupe to Perf spyder, and with part of that change he moved to comfort seats from the buckets for the Spyder spec. In his own words, this was his biggest regret between the spec of the two cars and he wished he'd stuck with the buckets. Edited by Deano84 on Thursday 4th October 22:39
From reading various threads, and my own early experiences with the car, the issue seems to be with those who are on the taller side, and then "slouching" in the seat, which leaves your lower back complete unsupported. If you sit tight up against the seat they are not an issue IMO. Also the buckets really help make the car feel that bit more special.
AndrewD said:
What are people’s views on the dynamic steering option?
Dreadful. Well maybe thats a bit harsh, but the passive steering is perfect, and gives plenty of feedback and feels very direct. The dynamic feels inconsistent and vague in comparison. All the Italian-plated cars that were given to the UK press during the cars launch, had passive steering also, rather tellingly.sone said:
He also tells me the Coupe Huracan will end production next May and I believe he is speccing cars now for next April delivery so I'm guessing come Christmas you'll have had to spec your own car.
Sounds right. My build was confirmed on the last possible day (20th December '17) and arrived 17th May this year.Went into Lamborghini Pangbourne with the kids over the weekend and have to admit I'm now confused as to Lambo seats in the Huracan.
Sat in a spyder with what I think people are calling "comfort" seats as they had electrics and heating but have to say the last thing they were was comfortable. I also felt I was sitting too high and had no support. I'm only 5'11" and felt i was looking over the top of the windscreen and not through it.
Thought some short arse must have raised the seat but it was on the lowest setting.WTF is that all about ?
Also sat in a Performante with fixed seats and they felt firm but very supportive and a lot lower to the ground. Much nicer driving position IMHO
From what I experienced on Saturday I would say the fixed buckets are definitely the better of the two and look sooooooo much better but I guess its down to an individual 's anatomy
Sat in a spyder with what I think people are calling "comfort" seats as they had electrics and heating but have to say the last thing they were was comfortable. I also felt I was sitting too high and had no support. I'm only 5'11" and felt i was looking over the top of the windscreen and not through it.
Thought some short arse must have raised the seat but it was on the lowest setting.WTF is that all about ?
Also sat in a Performante with fixed seats and they felt firm but very supportive and a lot lower to the ground. Much nicer driving position IMHO
From what I experienced on Saturday I would say the fixed buckets are definitely the better of the two and look sooooooo much better but I guess its down to an individual 's anatomy
The All Conquering Knowledge said:
Went into Lamborghini Pangbourne with the kids over the weekend and have to admit I'm now confused as to Lambo seats in the Huracan.
Sat in a spyder with what I think people are calling "comfort" seats as they had electrics and heating but have to say the last thing they were was comfortable. I also felt I was sitting too high and had no support. I'm only 5'11" and felt i was looking over the top of the windscreen and not through it.
Thought some short arse must have raised the seat but it was on the lowest setting.WTF is that all about ?
Also sat in a Performante with fixed seats and they felt firm but very supportive and a lot lower to the ground. Much nicer driving position IMHO
From what I experienced on Saturday I would say the fixed buckets are definitely the better of the two and look sooooooo much better but I guess its down to an individual 's anatomy
I test drove a car with buckets and my HP has bucket seats, its only when you drive it for a long period of time they hurt your back and every passenger comments on how uncomfortable the seats are.Sat in a spyder with what I think people are calling "comfort" seats as they had electrics and heating but have to say the last thing they were was comfortable. I also felt I was sitting too high and had no support. I'm only 5'11" and felt i was looking over the top of the windscreen and not through it.
Thought some short arse must have raised the seat but it was on the lowest setting.WTF is that all about ?
Also sat in a Performante with fixed seats and they felt firm but very supportive and a lot lower to the ground. Much nicer driving position IMHO
From what I experienced on Saturday I would say the fixed buckets are definitely the better of the two and look sooooooo much better but I guess its down to an individual 's anatomy
Craig from Pangbourne will tell you the demand is much stronger for cars with comforts seats over buckets in the used market, which goes against everything which was said on these forums when i ordered mine.
I prefer the look of the buckets over the comforts, saying that, If I was ordering again, I would be in two minds what to do because resale value is important to me.
sixspeed said:
I just came back from an Alps tour 2 weeks ago. My passenger and I did 6-8 hours driving in mine each day for 10 days, with the carbon buckets, and were absolutely fine. Also, a chap on here (Turbo cab I think) recently posted his experiences between swapping from the Perf coupe to Perf spyder, and with part of that change he moved to comfort seats from the buckets for the Spyder spec. In his own words, this was his biggest regret between the spec of the two cars and he wished he'd stuck with the buckets.
From reading various threads, and my own early experiences with the car, the issue seems to be with those who are on the taller side, and then "slouching" in the seat, which leaves your lower back complete unsupported. If you sit tight up against the seat they are not an issue IMO. Also the buckets really help make the car feel that bit more special.
Out of interest did you use any sort of lumbar support cushion for that trip? (sounds amazing) Perhaps that's what I am lacking, I am 5 foot 10 and 12 stone and i sit up against the seat properly.From reading various threads, and my own early experiences with the car, the issue seems to be with those who are on the taller side, and then "slouching" in the seat, which leaves your lower back complete unsupported. If you sit tight up against the seat they are not an issue IMO. Also the buckets really help make the car feel that bit more special.
sone said:
I find the Huracan buckets quite a lot more comfortable than the seats in my GT4 (918 type). I think it strange that you’d spec a track focused car with sport suspension aero ability and put comfy seats in it. Every time I look at Gt3’s and they say comfort seats I look no further!
I agree with aboveI'm interested to get into the supercar scene having had numerous sports cars ( Porsches ) and never understood why anyone would order a track focussed/ orientated car with "comfort" seats ? Especially when you sit too high and on top of them with little lateral support.
TBH in the spyder I sat in I would of needed a pair of those Biggles type aeroplane glasses to stop s
t and flies getting in my eyes 
God help anyone talling than 6 ft.Sounds like both seats are compromised in some way and neither are perfect. That said I personally would take the buckets and buy a cushion if necessary
Edited by The All Conquering Knowledge on Monday 8th October 19:50
Deano84 said:
sixspeed said:
I just came back from an Alps tour 2 weeks ago. My passenger and I did 6-8 hours driving in mine each day for 10 days, with the carbon buckets, and were absolutely fine. Also, a chap on here (Turbo cab I think) recently posted his experiences between swapping from the Perf coupe to Perf spyder, and with part of that change he moved to comfort seats from the buckets for the Spyder spec. In his own words, this was his biggest regret between the spec of the two cars and he wished he'd stuck with the buckets.
From reading various threads, and my own early experiences with the car, the issue seems to be with those who are on the taller side, and then "slouching" in the seat, which leaves your lower back complete unsupported. If you sit tight up against the seat they are not an issue IMO. Also the buckets really help make the car feel that bit more special.
Out of interest did you use any sort of lumbar support cushion for that trip? (sounds amazing) Perhaps that's what I am lacking, I am 5 foot 10 and 12 stone and i sit up against the seat properly.From reading various threads, and my own early experiences with the car, the issue seems to be with those who are on the taller side, and then "slouching" in the seat, which leaves your lower back complete unsupported. If you sit tight up against the seat they are not an issue IMO. Also the buckets really help make the car feel that bit more special.
As I mentioned in the other thread the comfort seats are toilet and no adjustment of the boulster support will fix it.
Coupled with that I feel like I'm riding in a 4x4 as you sit so bloody high in them.
Deano84 said:
Out of interest did you use any sort of lumbar support cushion for that trip? (sounds amazing) Perhaps that's what I am lacking, I am 5 foot 10 and 12 stone and i sit up against the seat properly.
Nope, none at all. Maybe its a height thing. I'm 5'7, my passenger 5'9. We had one day where we suffered a little towards the end of the day, but we were driving for 9 hours in total by the time we got to our hotel! But everyone in the convoy was suffering by then, even a friend in his armchaired F12! It was more a numb arse than a painful back though!Hand on heart, I have none of the problems with the buckets that people claim on a lot of these forums. I also couldn't imagine owning a Performante with the bulkier sport seats tbh, and if I were to buy again i'd stick with the carbon seats on my spec without a moments hesitation. I think the buckets, with the Performante laser-etching design (another option I don't understand why people omit) just lift the interior that extra notch, feeling that bit more special, and really adds to the sense of occasion. As others have said , the comforts sit too high, and have a lack of support compared to the carbon seats. The height thing was very noticeable after trying both (well, a standard Huracan with sport seats, and a Perf demo with the buckets).
As for pricing and resale, I struggle to buy that remark that Craig is stating (but I'm not looking to sell or buy, so can't comment first-hand). As the market matures, and experiences between the two spread, I'd be surprised if that shift in prices doesn't skew the other way though. Just with regard to the whole concept of the Performante, if I were looking to buy on the 2nd-hand market, a car with the electric sport seats wouldn't even get a look in, much the way I'd ignore a GT3/GT4 etc with comfort seats. It's not like these cars are daily drivers, so why do you need powered, heated seats anyway (the only reason I can see to opt for them IMO)? Not to mention the added weight (a lot of weight saving in the Perf comes from those seats).
Edited by sixspeed on Tuesday 9th October 13:20
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