Mk1 superleggera
Discussion
Scott Laurie said:
That is lovely. A Gallardo SL is on my bucket list my intention was to go for one that is not white or black, but looking at yours makes me appreciate that white can look stunning on a Gallardo too. 
BlackR8 said:
That is lovely. A Gallardo SL is on my bucket list my intention was to go for one that is not white or black, but looking at yours makes me appreciate that white can look stunning on a Gallardo too.
If you want a UK car.......and don't want a white or black car, then grey is about your only option!
There are just two white Uk cars So white will be difficult to get. There were three. One burned out. Two black currently for sale. Both since around July this year. One yellow and one grey. Grey one has a dodgy history and the other grey one that VVS has for sale is sold and you can see the blog on you tube under petrolicious.
Scott Laurie said:
There are just two white Uk cars So white will be difficult to get. There were three. One burned out. Two black currently for sale. Both since around July this year. One yellow and one grey. Grey one has a dodgy history and the other grey one that VVS has for sale is sold and you can see the blog on you tube under petrolicious.
There is a UK orange one too but the owner is unlikely to sell.............Sarnie said:
Scott Laurie said:
There are just two white Uk cars So white will be difficult to get. There were three. One burned out. Two black currently for sale. Both since around July this year. One yellow and one grey. Grey one has a dodgy history and the other grey one that VVS has for sale is sold and you can see the blog on you tube under petrolicious.
There is a UK orange one too but the owner is unlikely to sell.............Edited by andrew on Thursday 12th December 17:27
I assume the one that was labelled as dodgy earlier is the Motorhub one?
But what about this, is this also "known"
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-Lamborghini-Gallar...
I am looking for a G at the lower end of the market, but am tempted by a SL if a decent one can be had for the low £80's?!
But what about this, is this also "known"
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-Lamborghini-Gallar...
I am looking for a G at the lower end of the market, but am tempted by a SL if a decent one can be had for the low £80's?!
mrbon007 said:
I assume the one that was labelled as dodgy earlier is the Motorhub one?
But what about this, is this also "known"
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-Lamborghini-Gallar...
I am looking for a G at the lower end of the market, but am tempted by a SL if a decent one can be had for the low £80's?!
Motor hub one has a Chequered past. I saw this for sale a few months back. Don’t know the car but someone on her might. Not low miles but certainly cheap for an SL rhd. Usual inspection regime required. Cheers But what about this, is this also "known"
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-Lamborghini-Gallar...
I am looking for a G at the lower end of the market, but am tempted by a SL if a decent one can be had for the low £80's?!
mrbon007 said:
I assume the one that was labelled as dodgy earlier is the Motorhub one?
But what about this, is this also "known"
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-Lamborghini-Gallar...
I am looking for a G at the lower end of the market, but am tempted by a SL if a decent one can be had for the low £80's?!
For those currently following this thread and looking to buy a Mk 1 Superleggera at the low end, the Motorhub grey car has been mentioned above and in other previous threads since advertised.But what about this, is this also "known"
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-Lamborghini-Gallar...
I am looking for a G at the lower end of the market, but am tempted by a SL if a decent one can be had for the low £80's?!
There’s also a very similar grey, RHD UK 2007 Mk1 advertised at the Premier Car Centre, Bedford. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
It looks to me that both adverts are for the same car, so check before you visit to make sure the car’s actually there.
The Autotrader Premier advert helpfully highlights that the car is, or was a Cat D. Both adverts state that the car is Autolign tested or Autolign inspected. That will have been after the insurance works. Some buyers may be happy to accept that, for others it will always have been a Cat D.
For comparison:
Motorhub’s car: 29,000miles, 2007/57 reg. 6K Alpine aftermarket sound system. Full service history. Full engine rebuild recently by Lamborghini London. From the pictures - Harness belts. Harness bar/hooped roll-over bar. Multiple speakers behind the seats (specific photo no. 12 in Motorhub’s advert). Orange side repeaters (most UK cars have clear) to the front bumper. Rear camera (after-market) as not in the standard position on the underside of the rear wing, is actually high up in the rear grille.
£79,989.
Premier’s car: 29,000miles, 2007/56? reg. Alpine sound system. Full service history. From the pictures - Harness belts. Harness bar/hooped roll-over bar. Multi-speakers behind the seats (seen in photo no.10). Orange side repeaters to the front bumper. Rear camera (after-market) as not under the rear wing.
£84,989. (Perhaps this one is worthy of a bit more as it hasn't needed the engine rebuild. Or is it just not mentioned?)
There were so few original grey RHD UK cars, each one is near enough unique. This car’s Cat D status and the multi-speaker Alpine sound system make it easy to identify. It’s certainly not Eric Clapton’s previous 2009 grey Mk 1, or the recently sold grey 2007 Mk 1 at VVS.
David_T said:
For those currently following this thread and looking to buy a Mk 1 Superleggera at the low end, the Motorhub grey car has been mentioned above and in other previous threads since advertised.
There’s also a very similar grey, RHD UK 2007 Mk1 advertised at the Premier Car Centre, Bedford. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
It looks to me that both adverts are for the same car, so check before you visit to make sure the car’s actually there.
The Autotrader Premier advert helpfully highlights that the car is, or was a Cat D. Both adverts state that the car is Autolign tested or Autolign inspected. That will have been after the insurance works. Some buyers may be happy to accept that, for others it will always have been a Cat D.
For comparison:
Motorhub’s car: 29,000miles, 2007/57 reg. 6K Alpine aftermarket sound system. Full service history. Full engine rebuild recently by Lamborghini London. From the pictures - Harness belts. Harness bar/hooped roll-over bar. Multiple speakers behind the seats (specific photo no. 12 in Motorhub’s advert). Orange side repeaters (most UK cars have clear) to the front bumper. Rear camera (after-market) as not in the standard position on the underside of the rear wing, is actually high up in the rear grille.
£79,989.
Premier’s car: 29,000miles, 2007/56? reg. Alpine sound system. Full service history. From the pictures - Harness belts. Harness bar/hooped roll-over bar. Multi-speakers behind the seats (seen in photo no.10). Orange side repeaters to the front bumper. Rear camera (after-market) as not under the rear wing.
£84,989. (Perhaps this one is worthy of a bit more as it hasn't needed the engine rebuild. Or is it just not mentioned?)
There were so few original grey RHD UK cars, each one is near enough unique. This car’s Cat D status and the multi-speaker Alpine sound system make it easy to identify. It’s certainly not Eric Clapton’s previous 2009 grey Mk 1, or the recently sold grey 2007 Mk 1 at VVS.
They are definitely the same car, the speakers are too unique. Not sure why its listed as being for sale with 2 different dealers, but i'm guessing its not with motorhub. There’s also a very similar grey, RHD UK 2007 Mk1 advertised at the Premier Car Centre, Bedford. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
It looks to me that both adverts are for the same car, so check before you visit to make sure the car’s actually there.
The Autotrader Premier advert helpfully highlights that the car is, or was a Cat D. Both adverts state that the car is Autolign tested or Autolign inspected. That will have been after the insurance works. Some buyers may be happy to accept that, for others it will always have been a Cat D.
For comparison:
Motorhub’s car: 29,000miles, 2007/57 reg. 6K Alpine aftermarket sound system. Full service history. Full engine rebuild recently by Lamborghini London. From the pictures - Harness belts. Harness bar/hooped roll-over bar. Multiple speakers behind the seats (specific photo no. 12 in Motorhub’s advert). Orange side repeaters (most UK cars have clear) to the front bumper. Rear camera (after-market) as not in the standard position on the underside of the rear wing, is actually high up in the rear grille.
£79,989.
Premier’s car: 29,000miles, 2007/56? reg. Alpine sound system. Full service history. From the pictures - Harness belts. Harness bar/hooped roll-over bar. Multi-speakers behind the seats (seen in photo no.10). Orange side repeaters to the front bumper. Rear camera (after-market) as not under the rear wing.
£84,989. (Perhaps this one is worthy of a bit more as it hasn't needed the engine rebuild. Or is it just not mentioned?)
There were so few original grey RHD UK cars, each one is near enough unique. This car’s Cat D status and the multi-speaker Alpine sound system make it easy to identify. It’s certainly not Eric Clapton’s previous 2009 grey Mk 1, or the recently sold grey 2007 Mk 1 at VVS.
They have a silver Gallardo listed which surely doesn't even exist as it has been advertised pretty much continuously since I was purchasing one back in 2014!
Great to see the pictures of your SL1 Scott and to read some of your comments. It looks to be in great condition. I see from some of your other posts that you sold your Scuderia earlier in the year which you’d owned for 3 years. It would be great to hear how the 2 cars compare in your mind.
On paper, here’s just a flavour of some of the many similarities:
Both cars use carbon fibre to the interior, e.g. carbon fibre door panels, drive shaft tunnel capping for the SL1, seat backs, and alcantara e.g. dashboard top and seats.
Both have carbon fibre rear diffusers and door mirror casings.
SL1 has carbon fibre side skirts and rear wing.
Both have harness belts (on your SL1 but not all SL1s) and ceramic brakes (on your SL1 but not all.)
SL1 has polycarbonate to the rear window and to the side windows behind the doors.
Scud has a Lexan rear window.
SL1 carpets included.
Scud bare floors.
SL1 0-62 mph 3.8 secs, top speed 197 mph, power 522 bhp at 8,000 rpm, torque 376 ib ft at 4,500 rpm from its naturally aspirated V10.
Scud 0-62 mph 3.6 secs, top speed 199 mph, power 503 bhp at 8,500 rpm, torque 347 ib ft at 5,250 rpm from its naturally aspirated V8.
Both engines sound amazing and any enthusiasts will be looking around to see what’s coming, both with lighter weight exhaust systems.
SL1 1,330 kg, 100 kg less than standard Gallardo.
Scud 1,350 kg, 100 kg less than the F430.
Both cars have single clutches.
SL1 four wheel drive, presumed better wet and slippery conditions traction
Scud rear wheel drive, presumed to be purer steering.
SL1 e-gear assumed to be slower and less sophisticated.
Scud F1 paddleshift e-diff believed superior with gearchange speed reduced from 150 millisecs to 60.
SL1 no damper setting adjustment and more optimised for fast road use.
Scud option to adjust damper settings and ultimately more optimised for track use. A Manettino on the steering wheel.
There may be some oversights or discrepancies in the above which are not intended. The intention really is too show how similar they are or where there are some obvious differences. So rather than fine tuning and correcting the above, what I’d really like to appreciate is the real-world driving differences.
I’m guessing SL1s are more likely to be road cars whilst Scuds may still be found at track days, 10 or 11 years on from when produced.
The final crunch question: Is a RHD Scud really worth in the region of a £80k - £90k more than an SL1, possibly only benefitting from a faster gearchange and adjustment on the dampers? Or is as you said in your post, an SL1 is a bargain (and overlooked). In which case that would leave a good £85k to buy something else as well instead of the Scud?
Scott Laurie said:
Superleggeras are different in the market place. They are rare and much more expensive than a stock Gallardo. Prices for Gen 1s range from £100k to 120 depending on colour, mileage, history bla bla bla, you get what you pay for and with them all 10years old now, finding perfect ones is more difficult. Compared to 360CS or a Scuderia they are a bargain price wise and rarer.
scott.
For anyone thinking of buying an SL1 in very late 2019/early 2020 they wouldn’t be thinking about a RHD Scud as the price difference for those advertised is around £80k - £90k more. The SL1 was available in the UK from late 2007 - 2008 and the Scud followed that in 2008 – 2009. Ferrari could have tweaked various items to ensure that it was significantly better but possibly the final specification of the Scud was already locked.scott.
On paper, here’s just a flavour of some of the many similarities:
Both cars use carbon fibre to the interior, e.g. carbon fibre door panels, drive shaft tunnel capping for the SL1, seat backs, and alcantara e.g. dashboard top and seats.
Both have carbon fibre rear diffusers and door mirror casings.
SL1 has carbon fibre side skirts and rear wing.
Both have harness belts (on your SL1 but not all SL1s) and ceramic brakes (on your SL1 but not all.)
SL1 has polycarbonate to the rear window and to the side windows behind the doors.
Scud has a Lexan rear window.
SL1 carpets included.
Scud bare floors.
SL1 0-62 mph 3.8 secs, top speed 197 mph, power 522 bhp at 8,000 rpm, torque 376 ib ft at 4,500 rpm from its naturally aspirated V10.
Scud 0-62 mph 3.6 secs, top speed 199 mph, power 503 bhp at 8,500 rpm, torque 347 ib ft at 5,250 rpm from its naturally aspirated V8.
Both engines sound amazing and any enthusiasts will be looking around to see what’s coming, both with lighter weight exhaust systems.
SL1 1,330 kg, 100 kg less than standard Gallardo.
Scud 1,350 kg, 100 kg less than the F430.
Both cars have single clutches.
SL1 four wheel drive, presumed better wet and slippery conditions traction
Scud rear wheel drive, presumed to be purer steering.
SL1 e-gear assumed to be slower and less sophisticated.
Scud F1 paddleshift e-diff believed superior with gearchange speed reduced from 150 millisecs to 60.
SL1 no damper setting adjustment and more optimised for fast road use.
Scud option to adjust damper settings and ultimately more optimised for track use. A Manettino on the steering wheel.
There may be some oversights or discrepancies in the above which are not intended. The intention really is too show how similar they are or where there are some obvious differences. So rather than fine tuning and correcting the above, what I’d really like to appreciate is the real-world driving differences.
I’m guessing SL1s are more likely to be road cars whilst Scuds may still be found at track days, 10 or 11 years on from when produced.
The final crunch question: Is a RHD Scud really worth in the region of a £80k - £90k more than an SL1, possibly only benefitting from a faster gearchange and adjustment on the dampers? Or is as you said in your post, an SL1 is a bargain (and overlooked). In which case that would leave a good £85k to buy something else as well instead of the Scud?
mrbon007 said:
I assume the one that was labelled as dodgy earlier is the Motorhub one?
But what about this, is this also "known"
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-Lamborghini-Gallar...
I am looking for a G at the lower end of the market, but am tempted by a SL if a decent one can be had for the low £80's?!
Would avoid the high mileage black one, very chequered historyBut what about this, is this also "known"
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-Lamborghini-Gallar...
I am looking for a G at the lower end of the market, but am tempted by a SL if a decent one can be had for the low £80's?!
David_T said:
Great to see the pictures of your SL1 Scott and to read some of your comments. It looks to be in great condition. I see from some of your other posts that you sold your Scuderia earlier in the year which you’d owned for 3 years. It would be great to hear how the 2 cars compare in your mind.
On paper, here’s just a flavour of some of the many similarities:
Both cars use carbon fibre to the interior, e.g. carbon fibre door panels, drive shaft tunnel capping for the SL1, seat backs, and alcantara e.g. dashboard top and seats.
Both have carbon fibre rear diffusers and door mirror casings.
SL1 has carbon fibre side skirts and rear wing.
Both have harness belts (on your SL1 but not all SL1s) and ceramic brakes (on your SL1 but not all.)
SL1 has polycarbonate to the rear window and to the side windows behind the doors.
Scud has a Lexan rear window.
SL1 carpets included.
Scud bare floors.
SL1 0-62 mph 3.8 secs, top speed 197 mph, power 522 bhp at 8,000 rpm, torque 376 ib ft at 4,500 rpm from its naturally aspirated V10.
Scud 0-62 mph 3.6 secs, top speed 199 mph, power 503 bhp at 8,500 rpm, torque 347 ib ft at 5,250 rpm from its naturally aspirated V8.
Both engines sound amazing and any enthusiasts will be looking around to see what’s coming, both with lighter weight exhaust systems.
SL1 1,330 kg, 100 kg less than standard Gallardo.
Scud 1,350 kg, 100 kg less than the F430.
Both cars have single clutches.
SL1 four wheel drive, presumed better wet and slippery conditions traction
Scud rear wheel drive, presumed to be purer steering.
SL1 e-gear assumed to be slower and less sophisticated.
Scud F1 paddleshift e-diff believed superior with gearchange speed reduced from 150 millisecs to 60.
SL1 no damper setting adjustment and more optimised for fast road use.
Scud option to adjust damper settings and ultimately more optimised for track use. A Manettino on the steering wheel.
There may be some oversights or discrepancies in the above which are not intended. The intention really is too show how similar they are or where there are some obvious differences. So rather than fine tuning and correcting the above, what I’d really like to appreciate is the real-world driving differences.
I’m guessing SL1s are more likely to be road cars whilst Scuds may still be found at track days, 10 or 11 years on from when produced.
The final crunch question: Is a RHD Scud really worth in the region of a £80k - £90k more than an SL1, possibly only benefitting from a faster gearchange and adjustment on the dampers? Or is as you said in your post, an SL1 is a bargain (and overlooked). In which case that would leave a good £85k to buy something else as well instead of the Scud?
I saw a YouTube video comparing those two plus a GT3RS a few months ago - was quite good Scott Laurie said:
Superleggeras are different in the market place. They are rare and much more expensive than a stock Gallardo. Prices for Gen 1s range from £100k to 120 depending on colour, mileage, history bla bla bla, you get what you pay for and with them all 10years old now, finding perfect ones is more difficult. Compared to 360CS or a Scuderia they are a bargain price wise and rarer.
scott.
For anyone thinking of buying an SL1 in very late 2019/early 2020 they wouldn’t be thinking about a RHD Scud as the price difference for those advertised is around £80k - £90k more. The SL1 was available in the UK from late 2007 - 2008 and the Scud followed that in 2008 – 2009. Ferrari could have tweaked various items to ensure that it was significantly better but possibly the final specification of the Scud was already locked.scott.
On paper, here’s just a flavour of some of the many similarities:
Both cars use carbon fibre to the interior, e.g. carbon fibre door panels, drive shaft tunnel capping for the SL1, seat backs, and alcantara e.g. dashboard top and seats.
Both have carbon fibre rear diffusers and door mirror casings.
SL1 has carbon fibre side skirts and rear wing.
Both have harness belts (on your SL1 but not all SL1s) and ceramic brakes (on your SL1 but not all.)
SL1 has polycarbonate to the rear window and to the side windows behind the doors.
Scud has a Lexan rear window.
SL1 carpets included.
Scud bare floors.
SL1 0-62 mph 3.8 secs, top speed 197 mph, power 522 bhp at 8,000 rpm, torque 376 ib ft at 4,500 rpm from its naturally aspirated V10.
Scud 0-62 mph 3.6 secs, top speed 199 mph, power 503 bhp at 8,500 rpm, torque 347 ib ft at 5,250 rpm from its naturally aspirated V8.
Both engines sound amazing and any enthusiasts will be looking around to see what’s coming, both with lighter weight exhaust systems.
SL1 1,330 kg, 100 kg less than standard Gallardo.
Scud 1,350 kg, 100 kg less than the F430.
Both cars have single clutches.
SL1 four wheel drive, presumed better wet and slippery conditions traction
Scud rear wheel drive, presumed to be purer steering.
SL1 e-gear assumed to be slower and less sophisticated.
Scud F1 paddleshift e-diff believed superior with gearchange speed reduced from 150 millisecs to 60.
SL1 no damper setting adjustment and more optimised for fast road use.
Scud option to adjust damper settings and ultimately more optimised for track use. A Manettino on the steering wheel.
There may be some oversights or discrepancies in the above which are not intended. The intention really is too show how similar they are or where there are some obvious differences. So rather than fine tuning and correcting the above, what I’d really like to appreciate is the real-world driving differences.
I’m guessing SL1s are more likely to be road cars whilst Scuds may still be found at track days, 10 or 11 years on from when produced.
The final crunch question: Is a RHD Scud really worth in the region of a £80k - £90k more than an SL1, possibly only benefitting from a faster gearchange and adjustment on the dampers? Or is as you said in your post, an SL1 is a bargain (and overlooked). In which case that would leave a good £85k to buy something else as well instead of the Scud?
David_T said:
For anyone thinking of buying an SL1 in very late 2019/early 2020 they wouldn’t be thinking about a RHD Scud as the price difference for those advertised is around £80k - £90k more. The SL1 was available in the UK from late 2007 - 2008 and the Scud followed that in 2008 – 2009. Ferrari could have tweaked various items to ensure that it was significantly better but possibly the final specification of the Scud was already locked.
On paper, here’s just a flavour of some of the many similarities:
Both cars use carbon fibre to the interior, e.g. carbon fibre door panels, drive shaft tunnel capping for the SL1, seat backs, and alcantara e.g. dashboard top and seats.
Both have carbon fibre rear diffusers and door mirror casings.
SL1 has carbon fibre side skirts and rear wing.
Both have harness belts (on your SL1 but not all SL1s) and ceramic brakes (on your SL1 but not all.)
SL1 has polycarbonate to the rear window and to the side windows behind the doors.
Hi yes, sold the Scuderia, 360 and a 997 turbo as had a new GT3RS coming and also decided that I was going to scratch the lambo itch.
The Scuderia and SL are very different cars the main differences in my opinion are
Clutch - both basically manual clutches with hydraulic shifters, once on the move both are fast and the down shifts on both are amazing, the scuderia is quicker and perhaps smoother but little real practical difference. The biggest difference (in my cars - as you can have the slip adjusted) the scud was quite slow to take up the 1st gear - ie. it allowed the clutch to slip to perhaps 2k revs before it was fully engaged. I had the clutch replaced on mine at 13k miles. Take off was quite smooth. On the SL the take off in first gear is much quicker with the clutch fully engaged quickly, which is fine for normal driving but a pain if you are trying to creep the car forward in the garage when parking it as it wants to take off too quickly. but flip side is its only 50% work at 17k miles.
As with all early flappy paddy cars, it take some time and practice to get used to it.
Power and speed - not a lot in it either way, Feeling the SL has more torque
Noise - Scud at low revs it just a rumble, not that nice actually, at higher speed its much better but no where near as good as the 360 with a capristo ? , The SL sounds amazing.
Steering - the SL is heavier especially at low speed, Sucd much lighter, at higher speed the Scud feels a little light, but very connected, the SL feels totally planted at crazy speed.
Handling - have never had the SL on track but have had it quick on A roads, its planted. The Scuds been on track once and was outstanding,
Braking - the Scuds brakes (ceramic) outstanding even cold and no squeal. The SL - (Ceramic) really poor when cold, makes braking coming to junctions difficult as there is nothing then they are full on, I was told it takes time to get used to and they were correct, you do get used to but its still not ideal, once warm they are amazing and like the scuderia.
Comfort lol Actually the SL is reasonable comfy, not crashy and its quiet enough to listen to the stereo , not boxster comfort but close and the seats are lovely. Harness's a pain to live with on a daily basis but do add to the drama.
Scud - comfort - well, ear defenders would be a good idea, no carpets (although I fitted a set from a 430) as hated the aluminium floor plates - its just noisy, carpets helped quite a bit but still not as good as the SL and listening to stereo you need it loud to hear it, some would say the engine/exhaust noise is all you need, great on a fast A road with lots of corners and up shifts and down shifts but less fun on a straight road or motorway. but the Scud does have a soft setting on the suspension which is great and makes the car so useable on normal road. much more comfy than my 360 (which has 19 CS alloys and slightly lowered)
The scud on a fast twisting A road is simply outstanding, The Gallardo is simliar but better on a long journey. I think the SL is better looking. Cost wise to look after they are the same. The Scud is much more user friendly to use in terms of clutch and turning circle and soft road setting. Is it worth circa £80 to £100k more, NO, not even nearly. Would I have another Scud - Yes - but at £200k ish, there are better options. My GT3RS new was just over £160k ,
The Superleggera is a bargain compare to 360 CS or 430 Scuderia or £100k Gt3 Porsches, Eventually collectors will take note and values will rise. Rarity is the key !
regards
Scott.
Scud has a Lexan rear window.
SL1 carpets included.
Scud bare floors.
SL1 0-62 mph 3.8 secs, top speed 197 mph, power 522 bhp at 8,000 rpm, torque 376 ib ft at 4,500 rpm from its naturally aspirated V10.
Scud 0-62 mph 3.6 secs, top speed 199 mph, power 503 bhp at 8,500 rpm, torque 347 ib ft at 5,250 rpm from its naturally aspirated V8.
Both engines sound amazing and any enthusiasts will be looking around to see what’s coming, both with lighter weight exhaust systems.
SL1 1,330 kg, 100 kg less than standard Gallardo.
Scud 1,350 kg, 100 kg less than the F430.
Both cars have single clutches.
SL1 four wheel drive, presumed better wet and slippery conditions traction
Scud rear wheel drive, presumed to be purer steering.
SL1 e-gear assumed to be slower and less sophisticated.
Scud F1 paddleshift e-diff believed superior with gearchange speed reduced from 150 millisecs to 60.
SL1 no damper setting adjustment and more optimised for fast road use.
Scud option to adjust damper settings and ultimately more optimised for track use. A Manettino on the steering wheel.
There may be some oversights or discrepancies in the above which are not intended. The intention really is too show how similar they are or where there are some obvious differences. So rather than fine tuning and correcting the above, what I’d really like to appreciate is the real-world driving differences.
I’m guessing SL1s are more likely to be road cars whilst Scuds may still be found at track days, 10 or 11 years on from when produced.
The final crunch question: Is a RHD Scud really worth in the region of a £80k - £90k more than an SL1, possibly only benefitting from a faster gearchange and adjustment on the dampers? Or is as you said in your post, an SL1 is a bargain (and overlooked). In which case that would leave a good £85k to buy something else as well instead of the Scud?
On paper, here’s just a flavour of some of the many similarities:
Both cars use carbon fibre to the interior, e.g. carbon fibre door panels, drive shaft tunnel capping for the SL1, seat backs, and alcantara e.g. dashboard top and seats.
Both have carbon fibre rear diffusers and door mirror casings.
SL1 has carbon fibre side skirts and rear wing.
Both have harness belts (on your SL1 but not all SL1s) and ceramic brakes (on your SL1 but not all.)
SL1 has polycarbonate to the rear window and to the side windows behind the doors.
Hi yes, sold the Scuderia, 360 and a 997 turbo as had a new GT3RS coming and also decided that I was going to scratch the lambo itch.
The Scuderia and SL are very different cars the main differences in my opinion are
Clutch - both basically manual clutches with hydraulic shifters, once on the move both are fast and the down shifts on both are amazing, the scuderia is quicker and perhaps smoother but little real practical difference. The biggest difference (in my cars - as you can have the slip adjusted) the scud was quite slow to take up the 1st gear - ie. it allowed the clutch to slip to perhaps 2k revs before it was fully engaged. I had the clutch replaced on mine at 13k miles. Take off was quite smooth. On the SL the take off in first gear is much quicker with the clutch fully engaged quickly, which is fine for normal driving but a pain if you are trying to creep the car forward in the garage when parking it as it wants to take off too quickly. but flip side is its only 50% work at 17k miles.
As with all early flappy paddy cars, it take some time and practice to get used to it.
Power and speed - not a lot in it either way, Feeling the SL has more torque
Noise - Scud at low revs it just a rumble, not that nice actually, at higher speed its much better but no where near as good as the 360 with a capristo ? , The SL sounds amazing.
Steering - the SL is heavier especially at low speed, Sucd much lighter, at higher speed the Scud feels a little light, but very connected, the SL feels totally planted at crazy speed.
Handling - have never had the SL on track but have had it quick on A roads, its planted. The Scuds been on track once and was outstanding,
Braking - the Scuds brakes (ceramic) outstanding even cold and no squeal. The SL - (Ceramic) really poor when cold, makes braking coming to junctions difficult as there is nothing then they are full on, I was told it takes time to get used to and they were correct, you do get used to but its still not ideal, once warm they are amazing and like the scuderia.
Comfort lol Actually the SL is reasonable comfy, not crashy and its quiet enough to listen to the stereo , not boxster comfort but close and the seats are lovely. Harness's a pain to live with on a daily basis but do add to the drama.
Scud - comfort - well, ear defenders would be a good idea, no carpets (although I fitted a set from a 430) as hated the aluminium floor plates - its just noisy, carpets helped quite a bit but still not as good as the SL and listening to stereo you need it loud to hear it, some would say the engine/exhaust noise is all you need, great on a fast A road with lots of corners and up shifts and down shifts but less fun on a straight road or motorway. but the Scud does have a soft setting on the suspension which is great and makes the car so useable on normal road. much more comfy than my 360 (which has 19 CS alloys and slightly lowered)
The scud on a fast twisting A road is simply outstanding, The Gallardo is simliar but better on a long journey. I think the SL is better looking. Cost wise to look after they are the same. The Scud is much more user friendly to use in terms of clutch and turning circle and soft road setting. Is it worth circa £80 to £100k more, NO, not even nearly. Would I have another Scud - Yes - but at £200k ish, there are better options. My GT3RS new was just over £160k ,
The Superleggera is a bargain compare to 360 CS or 430 Scuderia or £100k Gt3 Porsches, Eventually collectors will take note and values will rise. Rarity is the key !
regards
Scott.
Scud has a Lexan rear window.
SL1 carpets included.
Scud bare floors.
SL1 0-62 mph 3.8 secs, top speed 197 mph, power 522 bhp at 8,000 rpm, torque 376 ib ft at 4,500 rpm from its naturally aspirated V10.
Scud 0-62 mph 3.6 secs, top speed 199 mph, power 503 bhp at 8,500 rpm, torque 347 ib ft at 5,250 rpm from its naturally aspirated V8.
Both engines sound amazing and any enthusiasts will be looking around to see what’s coming, both with lighter weight exhaust systems.
SL1 1,330 kg, 100 kg less than standard Gallardo.
Scud 1,350 kg, 100 kg less than the F430.
Both cars have single clutches.
SL1 four wheel drive, presumed better wet and slippery conditions traction
Scud rear wheel drive, presumed to be purer steering.
SL1 e-gear assumed to be slower and less sophisticated.
Scud F1 paddleshift e-diff believed superior with gearchange speed reduced from 150 millisecs to 60.
SL1 no damper setting adjustment and more optimised for fast road use.
Scud option to adjust damper settings and ultimately more optimised for track use. A Manettino on the steering wheel.
There may be some oversights or discrepancies in the above which are not intended. The intention really is too show how similar they are or where there are some obvious differences. So rather than fine tuning and correcting the above, what I’d really like to appreciate is the real-world driving differences.
I’m guessing SL1s are more likely to be road cars whilst Scuds may still be found at track days, 10 or 11 years on from when produced.
The final crunch question: Is a RHD Scud really worth in the region of a £80k - £90k more than an SL1, possibly only benefitting from a faster gearchange and adjustment on the dampers? Or is as you said in your post, an SL1 is a bargain (and overlooked). In which case that would leave a good £85k to buy something else as well instead of the Scud?
Thanks for the feedback Scott. Some interesting comments. I hadn't realised that the degree of clutch slip would be different.
Also that the circa 2007 - 2009 era ceramic braking when cold would be different. Ferrari clearly sorted their's better. My first thoughts (I'm not an expert) were that perhaps different pads would have been any easy fix. But then Lamborghini must surely have set it up the best they could before they released the car in the first place. Alternatively If a more suitable pad material is now available in 2019, then it would be known about and used, especially for cars still serviced by the main dealer. Possibly in reality it may be the Independents who would be more likely to try something different. So I assume that it's actually the composition of the ceramic disc that isn't as good as Ferrari's.
Does the Ferrari system also over-ride the driver in manual mode when it considers it should be in a lower gear? You may have found that the SL will downchange from 3rd to 2nd when the revs drop to 1300, even when on almost no load, perhaps when approaching a tight and narrow bend on a slight decline.
What sort of feedback have you had from your car friends who've been out with you 'riding shotgun.' Have they been more excited about any in particular? Either before in anticipation, or after having had the experience?
Also that the circa 2007 - 2009 era ceramic braking when cold would be different. Ferrari clearly sorted their's better. My first thoughts (I'm not an expert) were that perhaps different pads would have been any easy fix. But then Lamborghini must surely have set it up the best they could before they released the car in the first place. Alternatively If a more suitable pad material is now available in 2019, then it would be known about and used, especially for cars still serviced by the main dealer. Possibly in reality it may be the Independents who would be more likely to try something different. So I assume that it's actually the composition of the ceramic disc that isn't as good as Ferrari's.
Does the Ferrari system also over-ride the driver in manual mode when it considers it should be in a lower gear? You may have found that the SL will downchange from 3rd to 2nd when the revs drop to 1300, even when on almost no load, perhaps when approaching a tight and narrow bend on a slight decline.
What sort of feedback have you had from your car friends who've been out with you 'riding shotgun.' Have they been more excited about any in particular? Either before in anticipation, or after having had the experience?
David_T said:
Thanks for the feedback Scott. Some interesting comments. I hadn't realised that the degree of clutch slip would be different.
Also that the circa 2007 - 2009 era ceramic braking when cold would be different. Ferrari clearly sorted their's better. My first thoughts (I'm not an expert) were that perhaps different pads would have been any easy fix. But then Lamborghini must surely have set it up the best they could before they released the car in the first place. Alternatively If a more suitable pad material is now available in 2019, then it would be known about and used, especially for cars still serviced by the main dealer. Possibly in reality it may be the Independents who would be more likely to try something different. So I assume that it's actually the composition of the ceramic disc that isn't as good as Ferrari's.
Does the Ferrari system also over-ride the driver in manual mode when it considers it should be in a lower gear? You may have found that the SL will downchange from 3rd to 2nd when the revs drop to 1300, even when on almost no load, perhaps when approaching a tight and narrow bend on a slight decline.
What sort of feedback have you had from your car friends who've been out with you 'riding shotgun.' Have they been more excited about any in particular? Either before in anticipation, or after having had the experience?
Hi David, Also that the circa 2007 - 2009 era ceramic braking when cold would be different. Ferrari clearly sorted their's better. My first thoughts (I'm not an expert) were that perhaps different pads would have been any easy fix. But then Lamborghini must surely have set it up the best they could before they released the car in the first place. Alternatively If a more suitable pad material is now available in 2019, then it would be known about and used, especially for cars still serviced by the main dealer. Possibly in reality it may be the Independents who would be more likely to try something different. So I assume that it's actually the composition of the ceramic disc that isn't as good as Ferrari's.
Does the Ferrari system also over-ride the driver in manual mode when it considers it should be in a lower gear? You may have found that the SL will downchange from 3rd to 2nd when the revs drop to 1300, even when on almost no load, perhaps when approaching a tight and narrow bend on a slight decline.
What sort of feedback have you had from your car friends who've been out with you 'riding shotgun.' Have they been more excited about any in particular? Either before in anticipation, or after having had the experience?
the clutch slip on both cars can be set by dealer, its a software mod,
Both cars will down shift coming up to roundabouts or junctions as you slow down and select a lower gear if the revs are low, its to stop you labouring the engine, but they will both hang onto whatever gear you are in and not ups
t until you pull the leaver. i rarely have anyone out in the cars, my six year old little girl was probably in them more than anyone on the school run, everyone loves ferraris, always get good reactions with them, same with lambo, porsche less so,
a friend bought the scuderia from me and is loving it and he has quite a few nice cars, has had it on track and agrees its where it performs best. less fun on a trip to spa due to the high noise and droning from the engine/exhaust
oh one last thing, storage space on the scuds is brilliant, huge front boot, and decent space behind the seats, gallardo is very restricted, you can get a couple of small squishy bags behind the seats and small bag in the front, would not be good for a weeks holiday with the other half,
regards
Scott.
Scott Laurie said:
Hi David,
the clutch slip on both cars can be set by dealer, its a software mod,
Both cars will down shift coming up to roundabouts or junctions as you slow down and select a lower gear if the revs are low, its to stop you labouring the engine, but they will both hang onto whatever gear you are in and not upst until you pull the leaver.
i rarely have anyone out in the cars, my six year old little girl was probably in them more than anyone on the school run, everyone loves ferraris, always get good reactions with them, same with lambo, porsche less so,
a friend bought the scuderia from me and is loving it and he has quite a few nice cars, has had it on track and agrees its where it performs best. less fun on a trip to spa due to the high noise and droning from the engine/exhaust
oh one last thing, storage space on the scuds is brilliant, huge front boot, and decent space behind the seats, gallardo is very restricted, you can get a couple of small squishy bags behind the seats and small bag in the front, would not be good for a weeks holiday with the other half,
regards
Scott.
We did a week road trip recently, documented in another thread on the Gallardo forum and were able to fit a week’s supply of gear plus all the goodies we bought while we were away, including 3 x 1 metre long Ritter chocolate selections! You can fit 2 x airline cabin bag suitcases behind the seats (coupe) and a couple of bags in the frunk. the clutch slip on both cars can be set by dealer, its a software mod,
Both cars will down shift coming up to roundabouts or junctions as you slow down and select a lower gear if the revs are low, its to stop you labouring the engine, but they will both hang onto whatever gear you are in and not ups
t until you pull the leaver. i rarely have anyone out in the cars, my six year old little girl was probably in them more than anyone on the school run, everyone loves ferraris, always get good reactions with them, same with lambo, porsche less so,
a friend bought the scuderia from me and is loving it and he has quite a few nice cars, has had it on track and agrees its where it performs best. less fun on a trip to spa due to the high noise and droning from the engine/exhaust
oh one last thing, storage space on the scuds is brilliant, huge front boot, and decent space behind the seats, gallardo is very restricted, you can get a couple of small squishy bags behind the seats and small bag in the front, would not be good for a weeks holiday with the other half,
regards
Scott.
Scott Laurie said:
Hi David,
the clutch slip on both cars can be set by dealer, its a software mod,
Both cars will down shift coming up to roundabouts or junctions as you slow down and select a lower gear if the revs are low, its to stop you labouring the engine, but they will both hang onto whatever gear you are in and not upst until you pull the leaver.
i rarely have anyone out in the cars, my six year old little girl was probably in them more than anyone on the school run, everyone loves ferraris, always get good reactions with them, same with lambo, porsche less so,
a friend bought the scuderia from me and is loving it and he has quite a few nice cars, has had it on track and agrees its where it performs best. less fun on a trip to spa due to the high noise and droning from the engine/exhaust
oh one last thing, storage space on the scuds is brilliant, huge front boot, and decent space behind the seats, gallardo is very restricted, you can get a couple of small squishy bags behind the seats and small bag in the front, would not be good for a weeks holiday with the other half,
regards
Scott.
the clutch slip on both cars can be set by dealer, its a software mod,
Both cars will down shift coming up to roundabouts or junctions as you slow down and select a lower gear if the revs are low, its to stop you labouring the engine, but they will both hang onto whatever gear you are in and not ups
t until you pull the leaver. i rarely have anyone out in the cars, my six year old little girl was probably in them more than anyone on the school run, everyone loves ferraris, always get good reactions with them, same with lambo, porsche less so,
a friend bought the scuderia from me and is loving it and he has quite a few nice cars, has had it on track and agrees its where it performs best. less fun on a trip to spa due to the high noise and droning from the engine/exhaust
oh one last thing, storage space on the scuds is brilliant, huge front boot, and decent space behind the seats, gallardo is very restricted, you can get a couple of small squishy bags behind the seats and small bag in the front, would not be good for a weeks holiday with the other half,
regards
Scott.
this was the scud,
Sarnie said:
And which one? There are two "high mileage" black cars out there.....
I’m only aware of the £85k one here: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...What’s the other one?
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