Buying Advice - Gallardo - Parked outside - Advice Appre

[rossyl]

markiii said:

ref lifting gear hard to say how bad speed bumps in London are but I have mate in Croydon which is speed bump central and it coped fine there with out.

I think your spec is going to struggle at £60K

this is the closest I could find

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...


egear might be possible at your budget but manuals seem to be holding their value due to rarity

Anyone know whose car that might be, could do a deal privately, maybe?

[rossyl]

I've been trying to find out what the difference is between 2006+ cars and 2005 cars, when they have manual transmission.

So far I've found that for E-Gear cars, improvements were made to the E-Gear.

I have also found anecdotal evidence that 2006+ are less likely to "lead to big bills" but I've no idea why that would be as I cannot seem to find what changes were made.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

[markiii]

gear ratios were changed, more power

no reason they should be more reliable imho

basically everything the SE had became standard bar the paintwork

[70proof]

https://www.evo.co.uk/lamborghini/gallardo/14032/l...

This is a good read. I'll write a more specific reply at the weekend, bit busy ATM. The reliability I think came from upgraded parts, that were err, more reliable. Things we're tweaked, the clutch went through 5 revisions by MY06. And greater use of Audi parts me thinks, when did the r8 come along?

Edited by 70proof on Wednesday 9th October 20:00

[markiii]

R8 arrived just before the Gallardo LP from memory

[OLDBENZ]

rossyl said:

I've been trying to find out what the difference is between 2006+ cars and 2005 cars, when they have manual transmission.

I have also found anecdotal evidence that 2006+ are less likely to "lead to big bills" but I've no idea why that would be as I cannot seem to find what changes were made.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

I ran an 2005 manual Gallardo from new until 2014 and covered 36,000 miles. It was supremely reliable and only failed to start once when the earth strap went bad. I had one clutch replacement during my tenure at 12,000 miles which was not needed except to rule the clutch out as the cause of a 2nd gear selection issue when cold (which I was then told was not a fault but characteristic of the gearbox).

I think there were also detail improvements during the run of the pre-2006 cars. I cannot remember the details but remember that I was told there was a slight power hike in the early 2005s. The later pre-2006s are differentiated from the earlier cars by the badge on the steering wheel.

The pre-2006 had taller gearing and a particularly tall first gear - never bothered me but you did need to be good with your clutch control on pulling away on an incline.

[Fast Eddie]

Hi Rossyl
I live in Camberley, Surrey which is a little way from North London.
I have an 08 Gallardo SL which I bought privately in Italy about 4 years ago.
Its LHD because I like to drive in Europe.
I have mine serviced at Autoficcina in Ewell. Cannot recommend them highly enough.
If you want to chat anytime or even see the car if you're over this way, let me know and we can share the whole story.
btw, the biggest benefits of a car built around the 08 period is that Audi bought Lamborghini and upped the quality.

[NewNameNeeded]

70proof said:

https://www.evo.co.uk/lamborghini/gallardo/14032/l...

This is a good read. I'll write a more specific reply at the weekend, bit busy ATM. The reliability I think came from upgraded parts, that were err, more reliable. Things we're tweaked, the clutch went through 5 revisions by MY06. And greater use of Audi parts me thinks, when did the r8 come along?

Edited by 70proof on Wednesday 9th October 20:00

Interesting read that - thanks.

Having happily and comfortably used an R8 as a virtual daily for the past two years (and 20,000 miles). I'm so sorely tempted to scratch the Gallardo itch but can't get away from the idea it would be a hugely ruinous exercise and not worth the extra drama the Lamborghini brings. Supercar markets (and supercars themselves) seem to sensitive to miles. The R8 is just so very *easy* to live with and so flexible at commuting through town or ripping up country lanes.

I guess sometimes it's a bit weird realising you've found a car that absolutely suits you perfectly, so you have to pick at the edges and consider other options!!!

[rossyl]

70proof said:

https://www.evo.co.uk/lamborghini/gallardo/14032/l...

This is a good read. I'll write a more specific reply at the weekend, bit busy ATM. The reliability I think came from upgraded parts, that were err, more reliable. Things we're tweaked, the clutch went through 5 revisions by MY06. And greater use of Audi parts me thinks, when did the r8 come along?

Edited by 70proof on Wednesday 9th October 20:00

Thanks very much. Have read that a couple of times, I think there's a few guides. But not found any "owners" long term ownership the report on here or the USA forum.

Any tips or thoughts appreciated.

Also, if anyone is thinking of selling, please me know.

[rossyl]

Hi

Just wondering about service costs. Not going to a dealer, and only getting things changed that actually need doing, what am I likely to be looking at?

Thanks very much

[andrew]

rossyl said:

Hi

Just wondering about service costs. Not going to a dealer, and only getting things changed that actually need doing, what am I likely to be looking at?

Thanks very much

servicing ( only at main dealers ), consumables and bits dropping off : £336 per month over 12 years and 54k
excludes only rfl, insurance and fuel

[rossyl]

Thanks andrew, presumably you have kept servicing at main dealers for resale value?

Is it a major issue in the Lambo world, or are decent Indies ok as well?

Thanks

[andrew]

rossyl said:

Thanks andrew, presumably you have kept servicing at main dealers for resale value?

Is it a major issue in the Lambo world, or are decent Indies ok as well?

Thanks

for both peace of mind and resale
if you use indies, then i believe that you halve the already small potential resale pool

[Drl22]

andrew said:

for both peace of mind and resale
if you use indies, then i believe that you halve the already small potential resale pool

It basically says it been looked after on a shoestring and no one pays that much for a car that suggests it’s not been looked after the way it should.

[rossyl]

Drl22 said:

It basically says it been looked after on a shoestring and no one pays that much for a car that suggests it’s not been looked after the way it should.

Having had an Aston and a Maserati previously I've got to say I'm pretty shocked by that opinion.

Usually there is a great level of respect for Independent garages that provide expertise, coupled with the additional care that they take as it's their business. Further, they might specialise in a certain model so might have more knowledge than a dealer.

Compared to dealerships where there is a turnover of staff, and mechanics themselves have less skin in the game so might take less care compared to an independent

I've had issues and seen other owners have the similar issues, where a car with a full main dealer history states (for example) that the air filters have been changed numerous times, however you discover 3 services later they've never been changed? Is Lambo the only dealer network where not one single dealership is occasionally guilty of this?

Just something I've seen with some Ferrari/Maserati dealerships in particular.

That said, certain independent garages don't have stellar reputations and I would be wary of a car with all of its history from somewhere that doesn't have a solid reputation. Likewise, some dealerships do have an excellent reputation.


[Edited to make sense and add balance]

Edited by rossyl on Wednesday 16th October 07:49

[davek_964]

There will always be people who want main dealer history only - but unless Lambo buyers are very different from other marques, the idea that it's half of them on a 10+ year old car is a little over dramatic.

I'm quite sure that the fact I've used indy's would make sod all difference to me selling my 360. There might be the odd person who wouldn't even consider it, but it's definitely not even close to half.

[Drl22]

rossyl said:

Having had an Aston and a Maserati previously I've got to say I'm pretty shocked by that opinion.

Usually there is a great level of respect for Independent garages that provide expertise, coupled with the additional care that they take as it's their business. Further, they might specialise in a certain model so might have more knowledge than a dealer.

Compared to dealerships where there is a turnover of staff, and mechanics themselves have less skin in the game so might take less care compared to an independent

I've had issues and seen other owners have the similar issues, where a car with a full main dealer history states (for example) that the air filters have been changed numerous times, however you discover 3 services later they've never been changed? Is Lambo the only dealer network where not one single dealership is occasionally guilty of this?

Just something I've seen with some Ferrari/Maserati dealerships in particular.

That said, certain independent garages don't have stellar reputations and I would be wary of a car with all of its history from somewhere that doesn't have a solid reputation. Likewise, some dealerships do have an excellent reputation.


[Edited to make sense and add balance]

Edited by rossyl on Wednesday 16th October 07:49

If you look at most posts of people who are “looking” to enter supercar ownership many of them ask what the service costs are and then later down the thread ask about indy’s/doing the work themselves. The only reason I can see to use an Indy is because it is cheaper and therefore you are running your car on a shoestring budget. I am not saying a good Indy can’t do good work but when you see those stamps and you’ve never used that Indy before it doesn’t go down as well as main dealer stamps.

[davek_964]

Drl22 said:

The only reason I can see to use an Indy is because it is cheaper and therefore you are running your car on a shoestring budget.

That's so not true - you are literally taking it to extremes. There are many very well respected indy's - and the reality is, many of them have mechanics who have spent years working on the older cars and know them better than the main dealer mechanics who are mostly working on the latest and greatest.

Running it on a shoestring is taking it to Kwikfit and saying : Can you do an oil change?

Taking it to a respected well known indy is an entirely different ballgame and is not "running it on a shoestring". I have a few multiple thousand pound service bills with my 360 which would prove that.

As I said earlier, there will always be the minority who will only ever touch cars with FMDSH - I guess you are in that group.

[Drl22]

davek_964 said:

That's so not true - you are literally taking it to extremes. There are many very well respected indy's - and the reality is, many of them have mechanics who have spent years working on the older cars and know them better than the main dealer mechanics who are mostly working on the latest and greatest.

Running it on a shoestring is taking it to Kwikfit and saying : Can you do an oil change?

Taking it to a respected well known indy is an entirely different ballgame and is not "running it on a shoestring". I have a few multiple thousand pound service bills with my 360 which would prove that.

As I said earlier, there will always be the minority who will only ever touch cars with FMDSH - I guess you are in that group.

Horses for courses I guess but I didn’t say Indys can’t do good work, of course they can.

I think you’ll find more people are bothered amount MDSH than you think. Take a look at the 30k mile stigma thread, plenty of people saying high mileage doesn’t matter but the market and what moves says differently. My point is lots of people say one thing but when spending their own hard earned cash might lean the other way.

[davek_964]

Drl22 said:

Horses for courses I guess but I didn’t say Indys can’t do good work, of course they can.

I think you’ll find more people are bothered amount MDSH than you think. Take a look at the 30k mile stigma thread, plenty of people saying high mileage doesn’t matter but the market and what moves says differently. My point is lots of people say one thing but when spending their own hard earned cash might lean the other way.

Having sold a Ferrari a few years back with indy service history - and having had offers on a car since that I decided not to sell - in my experience, it is not an issue.
On a car a few years old, it would put me off too - on a car 10+ years old, it doesn't.