Abusive Trolls and Bigots

Abusive Trolls and Bigots

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4x4Tyke

Original Poster:

6,506 posts

131 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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How long are the mods going to allow abusive trolls and bigots to run riot?

They infested NP&E long ago and are now branching out into other sections with their harassment of the posters prepared to stand up to them.

Trolling, abuse and off-topic posts are supposed to be against the rules.


Edited by 4x4Tyke on Thursday 19th October 21:52

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

162 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Do you press report button on these posts ?

I would but mine has disappeared.

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

12,787 posts

99 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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4x4Tyke said:
How long are the mods going to allow abuse trolls and bigots to run riot?

They infested NP&E long ago and are now branching out into other sections with their harassment of the posters prepared to stand up to them.

Trolling, abuse and offtopic posts are supposed to be against the rules.
I'm prepared to back this. It can be very tedious, and (for me at least) it can be hard to ignore them, which is what of course you should do.

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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4x4Tyke said:
How long are the mods going to allow abusive trolls and bigots to run riot?

They infested NP&E long ago and are now branching out into other sections with their harassment of the posters prepared to stand up to them.

Trolling, abuse and off-topic posts are supposed to be against the rules.


Edited by 4x4Tyke on Thursday 19th October 21:52
Well said.

I’ve reported several posts today from SP&L that are quite disgusting, yet they remain there.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

197 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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links?

overunder12g

432 posts

85 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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SantaBarbara enters stage left.

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Gavia said:
Well said.

I’ve reported several posts today from SP&L that are quite disgusting, yet they remain there.


Just read the whole thread, what is it you were banned from and why?

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

12,787 posts

99 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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overunder12g said:
SantaBarbara enters stage left.
And hopefully fks off to the right just as quickly.

overunder12g

432 posts

85 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Agreed, what a plonker!

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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I think the issues might be

1. Far too many people reporting things which might be a bit wrong but that is all
2. Far too many posts to deal with vs the number of MODs
3. A herd mentality from some PH against those they believe have done wrong even if they have been reprimanded by the MODs. They then are in effect trolling an individual.
4. The west is getting more and more disjointed with more and more polar views which cause conflict
5. People post very late at night and some post utter nonsence is drunk or drugged up posting - which then others respond to.
6. Reality is IF someone is ever banned in reality it would take probably less than a minute to use a different email address and create a new user name.
7. Sometimes things which are typed don’t come out as the poster expected. Ie it sounds better to say it (maybe) than to type it.
8. Far too many “quote” a post as some sort of evidence so if a poster wanted to delete a post that had been made in error or was over the line then hey could themselves delete but sadly someone else is acting as judge and juror trying to get one over another.
9. People react differently online to what they are like in real life. Some clearly go on a wind up permantly some as a one off.
10. Some people do have mental illness or say bi polar and can post things as their state changes. No one knows apart from what they read but they then hound out that individual. Some posters keep following a poster and post up on any topic that person posts on as a bullying tactic.


Solution for any Internet forum is to make it a pay for subscription that would eliminate the vast majority of trolls in one sweep. But the rate needs to be right else just like he Labour £3votr when loads of Torys joined to back Jeremy Corbyn happened people thought it would be a laugh. If it was £100 unlikely you’d have trolls - unless some individuals genuinely have that type of personality.

What do you think the solution is? Specifically on some of the points above

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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Tom Logan said:
Gavia said:
Well said.

I’ve reported several posts today from SP&L that are quite disgusting, yet they remain there.
Can't you email somebody and ask them to act on all these disgusting contrary opinions ?
Oh look another tough guy from NP&E

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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gooner1 said:


Just read the whole thread, what is it you were banned from and why?
I’ve been permanently banned from NP&E for calling out what I see as blatant racism. The mods solution to the reporting was to remove me and let the racists continue unabated. Not unexpectedly, they now believe they can act with impunity and are infecting other parts of the site with their bile.

The irony of the ban isn’t lost on me and I quite like it as it stops me reading their ste. However, when they start spreading their bile, then it does get irritating.

Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah

12,787 posts

99 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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rallycross said:
4x4Tyke said:
How long are the mods going to allow abusive trolls and bigots to run riot?

They infested NP&E long ago and are now branching out into other sections with their harassment of the posters prepared to stand up to them.

Trolling, abuse and off-topic posts are supposed to be against the rules.


Edited by 4x4Tyke on Thursday 19th October 21:52
You sound like an idiot.
A point in case. You don't know this person, never interacted with them, yet your opening reply is a baseless insult. Please feel free to fk off.

rallycross

12,747 posts

236 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
A point in case. You don't know this person, never interacted with them, yet your opening reply is a baseless insult. Please feel free to fk off.
I have no idea what he is referring to, just a random statement that sounds like this forum is bad.
But in fact its one of the best forums you will find anywhere, with lots of good content from knowledgeable people (car or non car related topics).

What was he talking about?

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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Gavia said:
I’ve been permanently banned from NP&E for calling out what I see as blatant racism. The mods solution to the reporting was to remove me and let the racists continue unabated. Not unexpectedly, they now believe they can act with impunity and are infecting other parts of the site with their bile.

The irony of the ban isn’t lost on me and I quite like it as it stops me reading their ste. However, when they start spreading their bile, then it does get irritating.
Thanks for your honest reply, given your explanation your ban, on the face of it, seems
highly unfair.

thebraketester

14,193 posts

137 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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Remember the kid in the playground who always brought his ball..... that.

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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gooner1 said:
Thanks for your honest reply, given your explanation your ban, on the face of it, seems
highly unfair.
Id never wish anyone banned and have never reported a post.
I think some people lose sight that its only forum.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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I think people are talking about two different things here:

1. People who are just abusive
2. People whose opinions we don't agree with (even to the point where those opinions are considered offensive)

I have reported people for item 1 - one the other day - when someone has just started dishing out insults from a standing start, but I've never done so for item 2. I think the best answer to opinions you disagree with is to argue back, but I do understand that there's a point when offensive becomes illegal these days. Then report!

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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I think it all depends on your world view and why you use the forums.

PHs used to be in favour of what they called Self moderation, that was really a situation where someone was being annoying and people would point it out and that person would moderate their behaviour or leave, The majority pretty much dictated the mood and it worked OK, there wasn’t forums for politics or all his stuff about foreigners or lefties vs right wingers.

Then PHs was sold and went on a recruitment drive and turned up everywhere bringing in a huge amount of new posters from a much more varied demographic.

Now there are thousands and thousands of people and lots of polarised political opinions which never existed before. You see people being called trolls who are just disagreeing with someone or pointing out their irritating behaviour,

All the bickering and arguing mainly consists in the NPandE and apparently SPL. Having these dedicated forums makes it look like PH a place for serious debate (fighting)

When there was no dedicated forums for politics etc, people wouldn’t get engaged in arguments as everyone would just tell them to fk off. There was only dedicated car forums and the lounge (for everything else) there was a lot less fighting as A) People were of a similar mindset and B) there wasn’t any forums for it to happen in.

Now as PHs is more representative of the general population, you’re going to find people you disagree with and as it’s a forum, people are going to be ruder than they would be in reality.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 20th October 08:46

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Friday 20th October 2017
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Johnnytheboy said:
I think people are talking about two different things here:

1. People who are just abusive
2. People whose opinions we don't agree with (even to the point where those opinions are considered offensive)

I have reported people for item 1 - one the other day - when someone has just started dishing out insults from a standing start, but I've never done so for item 2. I think the best answer to opinions you disagree with is to argue back, but I do understand that there's a point when offensive becomes illegal these days. Then report!
Point 2 is very interesting.

We live in a country of legal free speech. This is why we cannot do anything about A Chaudry and others speaking pubkically which might cause violence.

Take universities free speech and specifically very challenging views are welcomed in open debate

I’m not sure why that on PH free speech is reported and posts deleted and potentially an individual banned.

Point 1 absolutely.
Point 2 open debate - provided it doesn’t turn into bits of point 1 (it can be the individual who has come out with a highly controversial point then gets posts from others who basically call them racist scum and far worse and that thread and then go on and wherever that individual posts they pop along and do it. In my view those should be banned).

I guess the scale of a website is too big to patrol given number of (paid?) MODs. Plus those who report issues they might be reporting pure free speech which they happen to disagree with which isn’t against the T&Cs of this website.

Take it to the extreme it means you cannot discuss
Religion
Politics
Culture
Economy
Relationships and sex