When will Aventador prices start dropping??

When will Aventador prices start dropping??

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TP321

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1,475 posts

197 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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2012 coupes that were £250-260k new are still being advertised for £225-£240 (nearly 3 years on eek,) and 2013 Spyders are still over £315k....Is the coupe ever going to fall below £200k? I dont rememenr the Murcielago holding its value so well. Actually i think it has better residuals than the 458 - astonishing.

sone

4,585 posts

237 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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When I came to look for an Aventador I found quite a few of the cars advertised didn't exist or more to the point the dealers said " oh yes we've actually sold the car but we'd like your details as we might have another". So its difficult to gauge how many really are for sale!
I've no ideas when prices will drop but I get the feeling they're sort of a junior hyper car so the proper hyper cars of the world are helping to maintain there value. That and what else is there out there to compare?

andecorp

266 posts

262 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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In Australia they are AU$900k new. 3 year old ones are changing hands for AU$550k.

sone

4,585 posts

237 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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300k second hand, is that with super car tax ?

andecorp

266 posts

262 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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sone said:
300k second hand, is that with super car tax ?
Yes, that's why so expensive.

sone

4,585 posts

237 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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andecorp said:
sone said:
300k second hand, is that with super car tax ?
Yes, that's why so expensive.
So about £210k excluding tax. Bloody hell that's a lot of tax!
If I've got it right it 33% on everything over £33k ish.
No wonder the big v8 saloons are so popular!

catfood12

1,410 posts

141 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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Same thing happened when Murci then Gallardo came out. I saw Murcis new in 2002, started saving. They dropped negligibly for first couple of years, then remained firm when the Gallardo came out, was scarce and fetching above list. It took a further couple of years for Gallardos to begin depreciate, only then the Murcis start to soften. It would never do for a V12 to be less than a V10.

Same thing's happening again, no movement on Aventadors, premium on Hurucans. No softening even on early Aventadors, which I know a couple of people (in US) traded for 2014 models for the new suspension, etc. Same as ten years ago, pre 2004 Murcis etc...

TP321

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1,475 posts

197 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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catfood12 said:
Same thing happened when Murci then Gallardo came out. I saw Murcis new in 2002, started saving. They dropped negligibly for first couple of years, then remained firm when the Gallardo came out, was scarce and fetching above list. It took a further couple of years for Gallardos to begin depreciate, only then the Murcis start to soften. It would never do for a V12 to be less than a V10.

Same thing's happening again, no movement on Aventadors, premium on Hurucans. No softening even on early Aventadors, which I know a couple of people (in US) traded for 2014 models for the new suspension, etc. Same as ten years ago, pre 2004 Murcis etc...
So when will they soften?

2 5HAN

696 posts

230 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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I think its happened already but we don't hear about it
As mentioned many of the cars advertised aren't actually available or have been sold already
There is however a big difference between prices softening and prices dropping so that you can pick up a bargain
I think as like all these things if you are in the right place at the right time and you have the cash ready to go you will get the best deal

Tuvra

7,920 posts

224 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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sone said:
When I came to look for an Aventador I found quite a few of the cars advertised didn't exist or more to the point the dealers said " oh yes we've actually sold the car but we'd like your details as we might have another". So its difficult to gauge how many really are for sale!
I've no ideas when prices will drop but I get the feeling they're sort of a junior hyper car so the proper hyper cars of the world are helping to maintain there value. That and what else is there out there to compare?
Nothing below a hypercar looks as mental as an Aventador smile

All its competitors either look too GT e.g. F12 or not lairy enough e.g. 458 (even in Speciale form).

Wonder when the SV will arrive whistle

AmoCS

1,143 posts

218 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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carspath

832 posts

176 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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I visited one main dealer about 3 weeks ago , and spoke to 2 different salesmen separately, about just this question
I then spoke to another main dealer on the phone,and the replies were all essentially the same

The cheapest ,no stories , reasonable mileage,well maintained aventador would in their opinions ,hit the £200k mark in about 24 months time

A face lifted aventador, and an sv version , are both in the wings , but there will be a substantial concomitant price increase , so maintaining a floor underneath the 2012 aventadors

For me, the space frame chassis and the Blizzarrini engine mean a huge amount, and the aventador is a departure from this (I am hoping to complete on a 2005 car shortly, and will do a full write up then)

But to my eyes the aventador interior is wonderful (? The exterior a tiny bit OTT?.......but I wouldn't say no) , and will in itself fuel demand

SydneySE

406 posts

259 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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carspath said:
I visited one main dealer about 3 weeks ago , and spoke to 2 different salesmen separately, about just this question
I then spoke to another main dealer on the phone,and the replies were all essentially the same

The cheapest ,no stories , reasonable mileage,well maintained aventador would in their opinions ,hit the £200k mark in about 24 months time

A face lifted aventador, and an sv version , are both in the wings , but there will be a substantial concomitant price increase , so maintaining a floor underneath the 2012 aventadors

For me, the space frame chassis and the Blizzarrini engine mean a huge amount, and the aventador is a departure from this (I am hoping to complete on a 2005 car shortly, and will do a full write up then)

But to my eyes the aventador interior is wonderful (? The exterior a tiny bit OTT?.......but I wouldn't say no) , and will in itself fuel demand
I'd definitely go for an aventador- I can see why they are holding their value. They are not without their problems (already!) but their engineering is far advanced over the Murcielago.

I think the styling of the Murcielago is genius, and the aventador has slashes and edges for the sake of dramatic looks alone, but they are undeniably dramatic...

As much as I'm a murciealgo fan, the bizzarrini engine... what a load of rubbish.... the last time (prior to buying a murcielago) that I had to MANUALLY set valve lash (clearance) was a 1972 big block chevy in my teens... but at least this could be done without removing the engine from the car (engine out job in the lambo). The chevy is actually better, it can go past 40,000 miles without needing a new crank... I know of 2 murcielagos with over 40,000 miles (one is mine, the other is Simon also on piston heads) and both needed a crank at about 40,000 miles. Most owners have yet to see that mileage on their cars....

Space frame chassis? LMAO.. you me cheap square tube... that RUSTS... I will LAY money that ANY murcielago has rust in the space frame trellis that sits aft of the engine, and possibly on the runners near the rear suspension. I've seen 3 have it (well basically every murcielago i've seen stripped of its engine).

The reason is, the inside of the tubes is not rust protected/coated. They've drilled screws into some sections (factory) or put bosses in for bolts... they all rust inside from water ingress; further the paint protection (basic flat black paint) peels away from the heat of the exhaust, causing surface rust.

Only other car i've seen with similar issues- TVRs. I note that factory workshop manual carries rear frame sections....

To many owners are bedazzled by the "italian exoticness" of Lambos, but the reality is they should be in the same price range of TVRs; they are essentially made the same way, and of no better quality.

Why do I have murcielago? the doors swing up.. and I really wanted a countach as a kid.... I actually plan on buying a 2nd murci (convertible) and probably an aventador next year as i love the dramatic looks and the rarity of lambos.... but its a heart of head matter.... and knowing you can afford to do it makes you happy.... but really they are a joke for the money.... but ferrari's are no better....

However, as things go, the Aventado is a GIANT leap over the last generation of lambo's and ferrarris... and I think going forward, the lambo will surpass the ferraris, simply owing to the engineering weight of VAG- the murcielago was not a clean slate VAG car, the Aventador is, and its a good thing..

Edited by SydneySE on Thursday 4th December 01:38

TP321

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1,475 posts

197 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2014
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carspath said:
I visited one main dealer about 3 weeks ago , and spoke to 2 different salesmen separately, about just this question
I then spoke to another main dealer on the phone,and the replies were all essentially the same

The cheapest ,no stories , reasonable mileage,well maintained aventador would in their opinions ,hit the £200k mark in about 24 months time

A face lifted aventador, and an sv version , are both in the wings , but there will be a substantial concomitant price increase , so maintaining a floor underneath the 2012 aventadors

For me, the space frame chassis and the Blizzarrini engine mean a huge amount, and the aventador is a departure from this (I am hoping to complete on a 2005 car shortly, and will do a full write up then)

But to my eyes the aventador interior is wonderful (? The exterior a tiny bit OTT?.......but I wouldn't say no) , and will in itself fuel demand
So you are saying that a 2012 coupe that cost £250k new will still be £200k when it is 4-5 years old?? That must make it the least depreciating car out there at the moment.....

carspath

832 posts

176 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Sydney se : it would be stupid of me to argue re the technical aspects of any engine with someone who has the expertise to remove a lambo engine and work on it, and who has been doing valve clearances since their teens
Totally hats off to you for that

Ancient as the lambo Blizzarrini engine is, it is a modified ,enlarged and de tuned 1960's version of what was intended to become an F1 engine , and has been a defining aspect of the lambo halo cars from 1963 right through to the aventador
So to some people ,that in itself will matter

Is the crank issue exclusive to the murcie ?
I suppose that there will be other v12 lambo models which have had individual cars with crank issues, but I was not aware that this was a common problem with count aches and diablos
?maybe just my ignorance,or maybe the the greater use of the murcie cf it's predecessors is now exposing an inherent design weakness?
You would have thought that a crank issue would have been identified and sorted out by the factory after 40 years

Similarly the space frame chassis is another defining aspect of the countach,Diablo and murcie
It really is a thing of beauty, when seen naked of the body panels

I was lucky enough to spend an hour and a half with signor marchesi,who is now in his 80's ,at the factory on the outskirts of Modena this summer , and was taken on a tour of the original factory , and given a whole lot of literature as a take home gift
Marchesi fabricated the ROUND tube countach space frame ,a hugely involved, expensive and time consuming process,
The last 3 known unused countach chassis are in this factory, and they are indeed beautiful

You have rightly identified weaknesses in the design and fabrication of both the engine and chassis of the pre aventador v12 lambs , but the countach era cars were just as much works of art, as they are cars
As you say, we buy these cars for the guillotine doors, the v12 engines, the hand beaten aluminium body panels in the case of the countach, the unique south north engine gearbox orientation, and the general wow factor
My rusty w124 merc coupe from 1994 is unquestionably a much better CAR than any lambo


I am also pretty sure that the countach 's valve clearances can be checked and set up without having to remove the engine


Again , all respect to you for having both the knowledge and the courage to do the engine removal and repairs



Tp321 : with regards to price, I was just relayingwhat the main dealers told me
Nb , this was main dealers talking, and I asked them specifically about cars with fsh, low mileage etc
Apparently they already have a list of potential clients who have asked them to get in touch when the aventador reaches the 200k mark
Apparently the forthcoming facelift and sv models will maintain rather than lower the price of the current murcies, as the face lift and sv will be significantly more expensive
I don't know how much , if any of this will prove to be the case.....just passing on info verbatim


Ferruccio

1,832 posts

118 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Longer term, if the floor on an early Murci, with no serious issues, is £75k, would an early Aventador be £125k?
A bit more? A bit less?

SydneySE

406 posts

259 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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carspath, don't get me wrong, i just wanted to point out the harsh reality once you get past sexy looks of the cars :-)

Despite their shortcomings, they are relatively robust if maintained well, and my long term plan is to add a countach and diablo and aventador to my collection... but my main point was that the defining parts of the older cars are nothing great.... the aventador may be seen to lack some of the soul/heritiage of the bizzarini engined cars, but overall its a superior car in every possible way. I'm not surprised at their price resilience- they are a desirable car thats far more useable day-to-day, especially the roadster!

Ferruccio

1,832 posts

118 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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SydneySE said:
carspath, don't get me wrong, i just wanted to point out the harsh reality once you get past sexy looks of
my long term plan is to add a countach and diablo and aventador to my collection... but my main point was that the defining parts of the older cars are nothing great.... the aventador may be seen to lack some of the soul/heritiage of the bizzarini engined cars!
Sydney, two things:

1. Out of the. Countach, Diablo and Murci by far the most reliable has been the...................
.........Countach.
I don't understand properly how cars work like you do but I have always assumed that it's because it is the most simple? No ECUs, etc to go wrong.

2. Better and best are two very different things in my view.
To get about my motorbike or my Mini Cooper are better 99.5% of the time.
The Countach is the best car though.
It's alive. It has a character and a soul. True too of the Diablo and the Murci; but not quite the same.

NEFOC

415 posts

190 months

Saturday 6th December 2014
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Ferruccio said:
Sydney, two things:

1. Out of the. Countach, Diablo and Murci by far the most reliable has been the...................
.........Countach.
I don't understand properly how cars work like you do but I have always assumed that it's because it is the most simple? No ECUs, etc to go wrong.

2. Better and best are two very different things in my view.
To get about my motorbike or my Mini Cooper are better 99.5% of the time.
The Countach is the best car though.
It's alive. It has a character and a soul. True too of the Diablo and the Murci; but not quite the same.
Totally agree on the Soul front. I swapped my Countach for a mates Aventador on Day 2 of the Giro in 2013. Aventador was nice but just A CAR to drive. He noted my disapointment and gave me it for the mountain roads on Day 3 and it did make me smile, but I wouldn't swap. He on the otherhand upgraded to a roadster Aventador for day to day running and bought a Countach for a true blast.

S1M VP

949 posts

233 months

Tuesday 16th December 2014
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Having had my Aventador for approaching 18 months ... I've genuinely thought about what to change it for, but nothing as far as I am concerned appeals so much as a big green Lambo.

I've come to love the colour and even now, every time I drive it, see it in a passing shop window, in pictures or even just say on the drive ... What else is there that would justify the cost to change (especially when I'd go for a newer Aventador and be choosing a different colour just for the sake of changing it, when I'd really want to spec another Verde Ithica.

I know mine has been looked after since new, but it does get driven (I even popped to work in it today despite the slippy roads) and it's now done approaching 11k mls ... But unlike most cars I've had that I've gotten used to the power all too quickly, I still have to hold on tight when I press the loud pedal in this ... It hasn't lost anything over time.
It's a great all round car, and I would use it a lot more than I do now, if it had 1 more seat.

I can't comment on soul of a Countach or a Murci.
I've never driven a Countavh and the Murci I drive (to me) felt archaic, almost agricultural, compared to my 911/360 ... Even older than my old style Vanquish.

I assume other owners feel the same, which is why there aren't many genuine ads for genuine cars, as people are holding onto them for longer and I am hoping they don't fall under £200k for a long time to come yet!