Murcielago LP640 Ownership Experiences

Murcielago LP640 Ownership Experiences

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Superleg48

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1,524 posts

132 months

Sunday 15th July 2018
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Hi

Currently drive an SL2 with which I am still very happy. However, the itch to go up to a V12 is growing and have given some thought to getting a LP640, e-Gear Coupe.

Would be interested to hear from anyone that has one or has owned one in the past in terms of experiences, opinions, things to look out for or any tips about forums I can research this type of thing myself.

I am not interested in views about investment potential etc etc, as I would drive it rather than look at it. In the real world, are they a beast you can live with? Reason for LP640 is that I can’t quite get to an Aventador post 2013, or an S which is the one I would really want and I kind of like the styling of the Murci to be honest.

Am I Mad? The alternative is to get into a Huracan at some point, but would be an LP610-4 and not sure if that has lost some of the magic by being a much more digitised Car...some say sterile.

Thanks

johnnyreggae

2,930 posts

159 months

Sunday 15th July 2018
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Superleg48 said:
I am not interested in views about investment potential etc etc, Am I Mad?
No but you seem to have misunderstood the purpose of this forum: values are paramount !!!!

Ferruccio

1,832 posts

118 months

Sunday 15th July 2018
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My experience of a 6.2L manual is the same as usual on Lambos.

They get the big things right.

Issues I’ve had over the last 6 years - leaky front boot in the wet. Battery cut-off switch. One brake sensor. One air intake elevator motor. Lifting gear sensor.
All quick to fix.

Any V12 Lambo is just a fabulous car.

andrew

9,953 posts

191 months

Sunday 15th July 2018
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johnnyreggae said:
Superleg48 said:
I am not interested in views about investment potential etc etc, Am I Mad?
No but you seem to have misunderstood the purpose of this forum: values are paramount !!!!
the satnav's quite old and it doesn't even have a carbonfibre chassis
hth thumbup

Superleg48

Original Poster:

1,524 posts

132 months

Sunday 15th July 2018
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andrew said:
the satnav's quite old and it doesn't even have a carbonfibre chassis
hth thumbup
This is a given, since it is an older model. Sat Nav is easily remedied with a Tom Tom or similar and as for Carbon Tub, not essential for me. The SL2 doesn’t have one of these either, but still a blinding car.


mikiec

305 posts

85 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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There was a recent post talking about moving from a gallardo to a murci, a murci owner commented about allowing 2-3x running costs

Never you mind

1,507 posts

111 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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Watching this thread with interest!

Think the comparison was between a Gallardo and an Aventador but I imagine the running costs are just as high.

I imagine the Murci to be a bit like Keith Richards, bit old, dated and likes to drink but super fun to hang out with and can still perform when needed.

sandysinclair

303 posts

206 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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my old 6.2 car had £54k spent from 2005 up to 2015 and 28000miles , I spent another 17k in 2 years adding another 21,000 miles and the new owner is spending another 15k ish on it to get it minters. So added up £86k in 13 years . These are the acutal costs if you intend on driving it rather than staring at it . The people who say oooh only 2-3 k are being kind. . Yes if you drive it 800 miles a year that's probably not far wrong. budget for 8-9k a year if you want to use it and keep it in good mechanical order.

andrew

9,953 posts

191 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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sandysinclair said:
my old 6.2 car had £54k spent from 2005 up to 2015 and 28000miles , I spent another 17k in 2 years adding another 21,000 miles and the new owner is spending another 15k ish on it to get it minters. So added up £86k in 13 years . These are the acutal costs if you intend on driving it rather than staring at it . The people who say oooh only 2-3 k are being kind. . Yes if you drive it 800 miles a year that's probably not far wrong. budget for 8-9k a year if you want to use it and keep it in good mechanical order.
interesting numbers
you say "spent on", does this include any consumables ?

Larry5.2

496 posts

107 months

Monday 16th July 2018
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All depends how canny you are. Here's an example, Front brake cooling hose, from Lambo £110 +VAT each. The same neoprene hose sold on eBay was £13 delivered to my door. So there's a saving of 90%.

There's other examples - brake pads and discs, tyres, damper servicing etc.

I'm not saying the £86k would only be £8.6k, but you can cut costs dramatically by choosing your vendors carefully.

sandysinclair

303 posts

206 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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andrew said:
interesting numbers
you say "spent on", does this include any consumables ?
Just bills... when I bought the car it came with a main dealer warranty and I only wanted David Jenkins at Pangbourne servicing it and yes I'm sure you could save a few quid here and there but no no consumables as in petrol oil tyres, those need to be added on top so 13k for fuel and 3-4k for tyres as I got through 3 sets . .

Patrick-Peter

236 posts

82 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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sandysinclair said:
my old 6.2 car had £54k spent from 2005 up to 2015 and 28000miles , I spent another 17k in 2 years adding another 21,000 miles and the new owner is spending another 15k ish on it to get it minters. So added up £86k in 13 years . These are the acutal costs if you intend on driving it rather than staring at it . The people who say oooh only 2-3 k are being kind. . Yes if you drive it 800 miles a year that's probably not far wrong. budget for 8-9k a year if you want to use it and keep it in good mechanical order.
Hopefully your response about your murci isnt the same for all murcielagos….
Why would a brand new in 2005 Lambo incur cost of 54k in its first 10 years? in its first 28000miles it should of had 8 small annually services and 2 major engine out services, 2 clutch changes, 2-4 sets of tyres and a set of brake pads or 2 ? which would be around 24k-30k of cost. (which works out at 2.4k- 3k per year) Where did the other 24k-30k go?
The new guy spending 15k is a choice.

MDL111

6,895 posts

176 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Patrick-Peter said:
sandysinclair said:
my old 6.2 car had £54k spent from 2005 up to 2015 and 28000miles , I spent another 17k in 2 years adding another 21,000 miles and the new owner is spending another 15k ish on it to get it minters. So added up £86k in 13 years . These are the acutal costs if you intend on driving it rather than staring at it . The people who say oooh only 2-3 k are being kind. . Yes if you drive it 800 miles a year that's probably not far wrong. budget for 8-9k a year if you want to use it and keep it in good mechanical order.
Hopefully your response about your murci isnt the same for all murcielagos….
Why would a brand new in 2005 Lambo incur cost of 54k in its first 10 years? in its first 28000miles it should of had 8 small annually services and 2 major engine out services, 2 clutch changes, 2-4 sets of tyres and a set of brake pads or 2 ? which would be around 24k-30k of cost. (which works out at 2.4k- 3k per year) Where did the other 24k-30k go?
The new guy spending 15k is a choice.
doesn't sound completely unreasonable imo - as an example my Scuderia (which is likely a cheaper car to run) this year already had new brake pads plus a new back-box - c. 6k euros (owned it for c. 9 months and 10k km). am sure when it has its first service during my ownership additional items will be necessary (e.g. balljoints all around, possibly new clutch etc).
The only car I ever had that got away with 2-3k p.a. (so far) is my FF and that is only because it is under warranty (for c. 4k a year).
as the poster said, if you drive the cars, then the costs usually increase

Edit: Just to add, the Scuderia also has a warranty which costs somewhere in the 3-4k Euro range


Edited by MDL111 on Tuesday 17th July 11:22

sandysinclair

303 posts

206 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Patrick-Peter said:
Hopefully your response about your murci isnt the same for all murcielagos….
Why would a brand new in 2005 Lambo incur cost of 54k in its first 10 years? in its first 28000miles it should of had 8 small annually services and 2 major engine out services, 2 clutch changes, 2-4 sets of tyres and a set of brake pads or 2 ? which would be around 24k-30k of cost. (which works out at 2.4k- 3k per year) Where did the other 24k-30k go?
The new guy spending 15k is a choice.
This is where people generally go wrong thinking it is an ordinary supercar, woth ordinary supercar costs ...it's not , the previous owners spent 54k on clutches, radiators, valve clearances , general yearly servicing , fuel pumps and electrical issues, fuel pumps , problems with rear fans , clutch master cylinders, replacement radiators to list but a few .I had a list as long as your arm of issues such as fuel pumps , catalyst problems, fuel pressure control valves on the fuel rails again , all the coil packs were crap, i had a clutch change, a rear radiator fan, burst rear radiator return pipe . I never saw a bill of less than 3.5 k... ever ...and there was never a normal service this was always punctuated with a ahhh yes we have had a problem and this needs changing as well. . My clutch change was 7700 including flywheel and throw out bearing at Pangbourne. This was a full service main dealer car from new . The new guy HAD to spend the 15k as it was a headlight unit shorting out and they from memory are 6k from the factory and a set of camshafts as the inlet cam on the right bank was worn and these can only be replaced in pairs and they are nearly 5k each fitted.. So thats my realworld experience, those were my actual costs so make of it what you will. Going into a Murci purchase thinking it will be a few grand a year are living in dreamland I'm afraid.

del mar

2,838 posts

198 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Perhaps your car was built on a Friday ??

Tuesday cars are always better.

I do 1000 - 1500 miles a year in my 6.2.

Serviced it myself £400 on fluids and plugs, needs doing again in September.
Ats were offering brake fluid changes for £40 - it is not rocket science.

Minor trim pieces from Sevenoaks - £100 or so.

Only big cost so far has been coils at £1000, I now have 11 good spares for sale so could recoup some money.

Fuel - I don’t count that.

Parts - do not damage anything they are expensive.
I damaged a wing mirror backing out of the garage - £3000 or fixed myself for free. I am now an expert at such things.

Clutch will hurt when it is due, but I never launch in 1st.

I enjoy the thrill of finding the parts.
Ashtray lid £80 plus vat or Audi A6 rear door ashtray £18 on eBay.

Most parts can probably be made cheaper than buying from lambo

Mine will need a respray in due course, my man has said £2599 - 3000 if I strip the car apart.

Another said £8000 !!!

Reading lambopower I would avoid the e gear like the plague, although I have no experience of one.








Patrick-Peter

236 posts

82 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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sandysinclair said:
This is where people generally go wrong thinking it is an ordinary supercar, woth ordinary supercar costs ...it's not , the previous owners spent 54k on clutches, radiators, valve clearances , general yearly servicing , fuel pumps and electrical issues, fuel pumps , problems with rear fans , clutch master cylinders, replacement radiators to list but a few .I had a list as long as your arm of issues such as fuel pumps , catalyst problems, fuel pressure control valves on the fuel rails again , all the coil packs were crap, i had a clutch change, a rear radiator fan, burst rear radiator return pipe . I never saw a bill of less than 3.5 k... ever ...and there was never a normal service this was always punctuated with a ahhh yes we have had a problem and this needs changing as well. . My clutch change was 7700 including flywheel and throw out bearing at Pangbourne. This was a full service main dealer car from new . The new guy HAD to spend the 15k as it was a headlight unit shorting out and they from memory are 6k from the factory and a set of camshafts as the inlet cam on the right bank was worn and these can only be replaced in pairs and they are nearly 5k each fitted.. So thats my realworld experience, those were my actual costs so make of it what you will. Going into a Murci purchase thinking it will be a few grand a year are living in dreamland I'm afraid.
Well that makes for a rather depressing read. I better put more aside for contingencies if this is the case for all murci's. I hope mine behaves itself as I don't wanna fall out of love with it just yet. Already had the full clutch & release bearing done and came in under 6k but I knew these cost going in.

sandysinclair

303 posts

206 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Patrick-Peter said:
Well that makes for a rather depressing read. I better put more aside for contingencies if this is the case for all murci's. I hope mine behaves itself as I don't wanna fall out of love with it just yet. Already had the full clutch & release bearing done and came in under 6k but I knew these cost going in.
I wish you well with it all Patrick , I used mine as a daily driver for 2 years so I can't really complain at all. The majority of the expensive work was done in the first 6- 8 months and then it was very reliable indeed, put petrol and oil in it and it was perfect no dramas.... However ....yes there is a dark side to the Murci and I guess it's down to luck as to how and when she throws a tantrum. Everyone that i know that has one of these has about £5-6 k a year put away for non regular maintenance surprises .

Ferruccio

1,832 posts

118 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Doing it yourself obviously makes a huge difference; most people don’t because they simply can’t or don’t want to.

I use Dave at Pangbourne too; sensible, experienced bloke.
You do get a bill.
But that’s why there are 161 Murciélagos in the UK and 1,500,000 Fiestas.

NDA

21,488 posts

224 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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I had one of the early ones, from new. Very fast and wide... like steering a ship from the pointy end. An event to drive.

The dealer I bought it from, had it on sale or return when I decided to sell it, lent it out (without my permission), crashed it, badly repaired it, lied about it.... all great fun when you're buying a brand new car - it's how some dealers treat their customers.

Superleg48

Original Poster:

1,524 posts

132 months

Tuesday 17th July 2018
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Thank you for the feedback thus far. I appreciate fully a car like this will be more expensive to run than the SL2, I also understand that there are some horror stories, but then I don’t know of any car like this where horror stories don’t exist. There is a white LP640 at VVS with 10k on the clock, on a 2008 plate at £179k before negotiation which attracted my attention. Looks pretty sound and I think VVS have a decent rep...

I think I would get it inspected before going anywhere with discussions though...anyone know the car? I would realistic do around 2-3k miles per year in something like this, which is less than I do in the SL2, so sort of middle of the road useage relatively speaking, not a daily.