Why are there so many Aventadors for sale ?

Why are there so many Aventadors for sale ?

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carspath

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832 posts

176 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Does anyone know how many Aventadors have been produced to date ?

There are currently 103 Aventadors and 14 SVJ’s advertised on PH , which appears to be a large number compared to the Ferrari and McLaren competition

I seem to recall that the number of Aventadors that Sant’ Agata could produce was going to be limited by the fact that they had only produced a limited amount of moulds for the CF chassis , and that each mould could only be used a limited amount of times .

I also seem to recall that the factory had stated that the total number of Aventadors produced would vaguely mirror the number of Murcielagos ( 4099 , if my memory serves me right ) produced

Yet there are only about 17 Murcies , 9 Diablos , and 14 Countachs advertised on PH currently .
So why this discrepancy?



1) PH adverts not reflective of the market ?

2) Overproduction ?

3) Lack of sustained demand as the Aventador abandons the classic Bizzarrini engine and the classic space frame chassis , BUT does not yet embrace the latest EV and gearbox technology ?
Is it viewed as a stopgap ?

4) Overpriced ?
Surely , they are cheap compared to the genuine hypercars , If not to the 720S etc

5) I love the interior of the Aventador , and the huge side vents .
Maybe potential purchasers consider the rest of the car over stylised ?

6) Too much new competition from McLaren ?

7) Reliability issues ?
Could past and present owners comment please ?

8) Current World Economy ?
Brexit ?
Greta ?

Genuinely interested in your thoughts regarding what the PH Adverts section would suggest as gross oversupply of Aventadors

Edited by carspath on Friday 6th December 05:54


Edited by carspath on Friday 6th December 05:59

WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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brexit

Drclarke

1,185 posts

172 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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WCZ said:
brexit
Unless I am due a Parrot , it’s only Aventador owners who are terrified of Brexit ?

wyldstalyns

69 posts

68 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Think this is indicative of a wider trend I’ve mentioned on here once before: namely that “supercars” have moved down a notch to occupy the market space that “sports cars” used to have,

The Aventador isn’t really the heir to the Diablo or Countach; that would be something more exotic like a Zonda.

Instead the Aventador is more like this generation’s 911. Completely different proposition as a car obviously, I just mean in market status.

In turn the 911 now occupies the slot that, say, a nice BMW used to occupy, and so on down the food chain.

These aren’t perfect analogies but you get my general point.

In my whole life I’ve never seen a Diablo out and about, and I can’t recall seeing a Murci— but living in London I probably see 2 Aventadors per week.

That is a huge market shift, pure and simple.

Similar story with current mainstream Ferraris, although they do seem a touch rarer.

Add SUVs to the mix, plus record production numbers every year and I imagine we’ll eventually see these brands where Porsche are now- with quantity and price of cars on the market to match.

No bad thing for them commercially, but a bit sad for the purist.

supersport

4,040 posts

226 months

Saturday 7th December 2019
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I live in North Yorkshire, seen plenty of Murcies on the road, some Diablos and even Countachs.

There are some Aventadors and Huracans around too, but no more than the others.

carspath

Original Poster:

832 posts

176 months

Saturday 7th December 2019
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It’s the 7 or 8 fold discrepancy in numbers for sale ( cf its predecessors) that I find astounding .
And a discrepancy that has persisted.
Hence the question .

AmosMoses

4,039 posts

164 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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As an outsider who hasn’t driven one but has watched the market here’s my view.

1. Losing the old V12 was a big blow, it was effectively a new model with 0 heritage.

2. Driving press didn’t really praise the early cars.

3. Image problem with the rental crowd crashing/revving the arse off them.

4. Never really held up to the competition, always was the expensive option that didn’t deliver the driving dynamics lower priced cars did.

5. Bit of a pain to live with in the U.K. They are very wide and that single clutch is unwieldy at the best of times.

I personally bloody adore them, hopefully in a few years time when I’ve got the money I can grab a bargain laugh

Superleg48

1,524 posts

132 months

Sunday 8th December 2019
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wyldstalyns said:
Similar story with current mainstream Ferraris, although they do seem a touch rarer.

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Ferrari’s are not rarer in terms of production numbers, it is just the catastrophic impact on their values that actually driving has on them. Ferrari’s are ostensibly automotive ornaments.

sandysinclair

303 posts

206 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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I think that the flippers who thought they could make a quick 50 -60 grand on the SV's only to find out 9 months later the SVJ would burst their considerably inflated bubble , are now coming to the realisation that the number of greater fools have dried up and offloading an Av even at a huge discount over list isn't as easy as a couple of years ago. I don't think it's just Avs ...I have noticed some crazy cheap Gallardos knocking about unsold where as 2-3 years ago finding a manual Gallardo under 95-105k was pretty tricky....not now 55-65 k maybe less privately........ Times they are a changin......

DanPhoto

159 posts

121 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Don't forget the AV has been around since 2011. The secondhand market for them was robust for a lot of years, even for the base model. Its a big ask for that to remain the same for nearly a decade of production.

WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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regardless of anything it still has insane road presence and turns heads like few others

carspath

Original Poster:

832 posts

176 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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AmosMoses .. I agree with every point in your post

sandysinlair ... again , I totally agree that speculators and PCP have totally distorted the market ( but surely for all Supercars and not just the Aventador ) ....sadly making it more difficult for genuinely keen potential owners to get a foothold .

But why is the Aventador so much more exposed than the competition ( or is it that the PH adverts section is giving us the wrong impression ? )

DanPhoto and WCZ.... True that the Aventador has been almost a decade in existence , and that it has great presence , but the fact that it is being advertised for sale in such huge numbers (117 ) suggests that it is either hugely overpriced or undesirable . Or is there another explanation ?

I cannot recall the Countach (1998 units ) or the Diablo (? How many ) or the Murcielago ( 4099 units ) ever being available in the UK in such large numbers despite being in production for approximately 16 , 11 and 10 years respectively .

The Aventadors current availability on the second hand market is not explained by Lamborghini’s past sales history , nor do its contemporary rivals appear to be available in such large numbers !


Gameface

16,565 posts

76 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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wyldstalyns said:
The Aventador is more like this generation’s 911. Completely different proposition as a car obviously, I just mean in market status.
You're wrong.

Caddyshack

10,595 posts

205 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Gameface said:
wyldstalyns said:
The Aventador is more like this generation’s 911. Completely different proposition as a car obviously, I just mean in market status.
You're wrong.
I think he is right but maybe you are not getting his example? I was only saying to a friend yesterday that when my Dad was buying new E30 BMWs friends and family would think he was doing very well for himself, now a BMW, Merc or Audi are just common cars of the masses.

It used to be an exciting event to see a Porsche 3.2 Carrera drive through Haslemere town in the 80's and early 90's, now you could see 5 Porsche models per hour.

A Lambo Countach used to be once in a lifetime spot out on the road, you would see a Lambo now every day in London.

ChocolateFrog

24,847 posts

172 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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I think more than any other supercar the Aventador epitomises the vacuous London Youtuber or Bradford wedding rental.

If you say Aventador that's the first thing that pops into my head, which is sad. I very rarely visit london but the last time I did, about 2 months ago some moron was holding one on the limiter in stationary traffic on The Mall, even as massive car guy I wanted to strangle the fker.

They'll probably rebound but give me a manual LP640 any day of the week over any Aventador. Infact I'd take almost any Lambo over an Aventador, apart from maybe Clarkson's Merak SS.

Gameface

16,565 posts

76 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Caddyshack said:
Gameface said:
wyldstalyns said:
The Aventador is more like this generation’s 911. Completely different proposition as a car obviously, I just mean in market status.
You're wrong.
I think he is right but maybe you are not getting his example? I was only saying to a friend yesterday that when my Dad was buying new E30 BMWs friends and family would think he was doing very well for himself, now a BMW, Merc or Audi are just common cars of the masses.

It used to be an exciting event to see a Porsche 3.2 Carrera drive through Haslemere town in the 80's and early 90's, now you could see 5 Porsche models per hour.

A Lambo Countach used to be once in a lifetime spot out on the road, you would see a Lambo now every day in London.
I own an Aventador.

People lose their st when they see it.

No-one gives a fk about 911's. No comparison. Then or now.

A V12 Lamborghini flagship's "market status" was not, is not and never will be comparable to that of a 911.



craigjm

17,907 posts

199 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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PH is not great at removing adverts for cars that have been sold

dazmanultra

428 posts

91 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Is it possible that the Aventador more than other cars in the category is something that people want to experience ownership of, but perhaps choose not to keep long term?

topjay

774 posts

217 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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I would suspect a combination of greater availability a bit of speculation and people that couldn’t really afford them buying as it was the fashionable car to aspire to, top of the tree on Instagram bragging, also buying when the market was good and possibly even told it was relatively depreciation proof, last V12’s, etc but now terrified because the market has turned and they are now depreciating and so want out.

That and a good few I suspect were bought by people who thought they wanted them and it was their first Lambo, I’ve met several that are not even into cars and bought on their children's say so. First time they sat in it they realised it is not really a car, way too big and hard work for the uk and not very comfortable, definitely not an everyday car, they seemed to think it would be a fast Range Rover! Then wanted out almost immediately as couldn’t or wouldn’t ever use it and we’re a bit terrified of it, long list of excuses, sore back, too fat or tall, etc, etc.

I think the market will settle once they find proper homes and not the temporary owners that seem to have flooded the market for all cars.

Really what compares to an Aventador until you spend a lot more money, it may not be the best car but it is the best experience and that is what you pay money for otherwise we would all drive 911’s


carspath

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832 posts

176 months

Monday 9th December 2019
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Craigjm ... true PH could be leaving adverts on after the car is sold , but you would have thought that this would apply equally across the board for all comparable Supercars

Dazmanultra and topjay .... you are certainly correct that the Aventador is wide and unwieldy in traffic .
Particularly in 2019 cf previously.
I can remember driving its great grandfather , a month after getting it in 2001 , down to the French-Spanish Pyrenees border , and there was so much less traffic to contend with , and no speed cameras to worry about ..... important as the car only wakes up past 3 figures .
Driving in France today is a slow , monitored , event .
Ditto Spain .

It must also have been an unusual sight .... we booked the first night at a rural farmhouse , and arrived late and in the dark . As we were leaving early the next morning , the owner ran all the way down the long driveway taking photos of the car , as it slowly trundled away .

Having said which , on a 3 1/2 week driving trip to and around Italy this year , I didn’t see a single Aventador , and only one Huracan ( excluding , at the Sant ‘ Agata factory )