Discussion
Thank-you for showing an in interest in my little project(s).
CGT2 - I am afraid I cannot tell you when the book that you ordered is coming out because there are actually 2 Countach-related books coming out shortly.
This is very poor time management on my part - particularly as both books have been in preparation for the last 5 years or so - but neither publisher is prepared to hold back for the other!
Thank you to all the PH'er who helped including Raymond QV, Robert Hennessey , Ferruccio/ Mark, and Nigel Holland.
Contributions again came in from each of the 7 continents, bar the Emperor penguins of Antarctica who refused to play
I am keen not to fall foul of PH's rules on advertising so will not say any more about the books.
But since I am here I would like to talk about 2 topics that have long fascinated, intrigued and to some extent bothered me.
1) Years and years before I bought F920OYR in 2001 I felt that the Countach was not being given its rightful place in the Lamborghini hierachy vis a vis the iconic Miura.
Examine the Countach's revolutionary drivetrain layout and the Countach's revolutionary body design and compare and contrast it with the Miura's radical but ultimately derivative engineering and styling ( Mini and GT40 / Corvair Monza GT and SS ).
And none other than Giampaolo Dallara and Marcello Gandini ( the father and mother of the Miura) and Bob Wallace and Paolo Stanzani have each made several statements over the years confirming that they too regard the Miura as derivative and the Countach as revolutionary .
Yet none of this has previously been discussed and presented in an organised way in any of the many, many Countach books and magazine articles currently available.
There is overwhelming objective evidence that the Countach, at the very least, needs to stand toe-to-toe with the Miura - and much evidence that the anarchistic Countach has been much more instructive - both in engineering and styling terms - than the Miura.
2) Ever since I was lucky enough to get hold of my Murcielago Roadster in 2014 I have been interested in how and why the Countach evolved into the Diablo and then the Murcielago. A Holy Trinity of Lamborghinis - all spaceframed chassis'ed, all wedge -shaped, all Bizzarrini V12-engined, all with true guillotine doors - a dynasty that lasted from 1971/4 to 2010.
Socio-politico-economic factors, aerodynamics, advances in science and design, and inter-manufacturer rivalry were the core factors that drove this evolution forwards - fuel availability and prices, wars, revolutions, economic crises, OPEAC and OPEC, recessions, Central Bank interest rates, air-pollution legislation, driver, passenger and pedestrian laws, and Ralph Nader all shaped the Diablo and Murcielago - but underneath both remained the same, unchanged Countach engineering and styling template. And the Countach influenced other supercar manufacturers too - including Ferrari.
Fascinating stuff - at least to my mind.
CGT2 - I am afraid I cannot tell you when the book that you ordered is coming out because there are actually 2 Countach-related books coming out shortly.
This is very poor time management on my part - particularly as both books have been in preparation for the last 5 years or so - but neither publisher is prepared to hold back for the other!
Thank you to all the PH'er who helped including Raymond QV, Robert Hennessey , Ferruccio/ Mark, and Nigel Holland.
Contributions again came in from each of the 7 continents, bar the Emperor penguins of Antarctica who refused to play
I am keen not to fall foul of PH's rules on advertising so will not say any more about the books.
But since I am here I would like to talk about 2 topics that have long fascinated, intrigued and to some extent bothered me.
1) Years and years before I bought F920OYR in 2001 I felt that the Countach was not being given its rightful place in the Lamborghini hierachy vis a vis the iconic Miura.
Examine the Countach's revolutionary drivetrain layout and the Countach's revolutionary body design and compare and contrast it with the Miura's radical but ultimately derivative engineering and styling ( Mini and GT40 / Corvair Monza GT and SS ).
And none other than Giampaolo Dallara and Marcello Gandini ( the father and mother of the Miura) and Bob Wallace and Paolo Stanzani have each made several statements over the years confirming that they too regard the Miura as derivative and the Countach as revolutionary .
Yet none of this has previously been discussed and presented in an organised way in any of the many, many Countach books and magazine articles currently available.
There is overwhelming objective evidence that the Countach, at the very least, needs to stand toe-to-toe with the Miura - and much evidence that the anarchistic Countach has been much more instructive - both in engineering and styling terms - than the Miura.
2) Ever since I was lucky enough to get hold of my Murcielago Roadster in 2014 I have been interested in how and why the Countach evolved into the Diablo and then the Murcielago. A Holy Trinity of Lamborghinis - all spaceframed chassis'ed, all wedge -shaped, all Bizzarrini V12-engined, all with true guillotine doors - a dynasty that lasted from 1971/4 to 2010.
Socio-politico-economic factors, aerodynamics, advances in science and design, and inter-manufacturer rivalry were the core factors that drove this evolution forwards - fuel availability and prices, wars, revolutions, economic crises, OPEAC and OPEC, recessions, Central Bank interest rates, air-pollution legislation, driver, passenger and pedestrian laws, and Ralph Nader all shaped the Diablo and Murcielago - but underneath both remained the same, unchanged Countach engineering and styling template. And the Countach influenced other supercar manufacturers too - including Ferrari.
Fascinating stuff - at least to my mind.
Hi CGT2 - I think that I might have an answer for you. The Pen &Sword Lamborghini Holy Trinity book is due to be released in May, and the Crowood Countach book is due to be released in late August - so it would appear that you have the latter on order. Each is different to the other, and each contains new material that has not been published previously - it would be a waste of time to merely rehash existing material - although inevitably the same basics always have to be included for context.
Whether this timetable holds is questionable - the Diablo book was delayed by a few months because of a shortage of printer’s ink. Paper supplies and shipping disruptions have also been issues previously - you get a glimpse into an entirely different universe when you learn what Publishing Houses have to deal with.
Whether this timetable holds is questionable - the Diablo book was delayed by a few months because of a shortage of printer’s ink. Paper supplies and shipping disruptions have also been issues previously - you get a glimpse into an entirely different universe when you learn what Publishing Houses have to deal with.
carspath1 said:
Hi CGT2 - I think that I might have an answer for you. The Pen &Sword Lamborghini Holy Trinity book is due to be released in May, and the Crowood Countach book is due to be released in late August - so it would appear that you have the latter on order. Each is different to the other, and each contains new material that has not been published previously - it would be a waste of time to merely rehash existing material - although inevitably the same basics always have to be included for context.
Whether this timetable holds is questionable - the Diablo book was delayed by a few months because of a shortage of printer s ink. Paper supplies and shipping disruptions have also been issues previously - you get a glimpse into an entirely different universe when you learn what Publishing Houses have to deal with.
Thank you. Makes sense. I already have your Diablo book. I was confused as the Countach book is credited to you!Whether this timetable holds is questionable - the Diablo book was delayed by a few months because of a shortage of printer s ink. Paper supplies and shipping disruptions have also been issues previously - you get a glimpse into an entirely different universe when you learn what Publishing Houses have to deal with.
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carspath1 said:
Thank-you for showing an in interest in my little project(s).
CGT2 - I am afraid I cannot tell you when the book that you ordered is coming out because there are actually 2 Countach-related books coming out shortly.
This is very poor time management on my part - particularly as both books have been in preparation for the last 5 years or so - but neither publisher is prepared to hold back for the other!
Thank you to all the PH'er who helped including Raymond QV, Robert Hennessey , Ferruccio/ Mark, and Nigel Holland.
Contributions again came in from each of the 7 continents, bar the Emperor penguins of Antarctica who refused to play
I am keen not to fall foul of PH's rules on advertising so will not say any more about the books.
But since I am here I would like to talk about 2 topics that have long fascinated, intrigued and to some extent bothered me.
1) Years and years before I bought F920OYR in 2001 I felt that the Countach was not being given its rightful place in the Lamborghini hierachy vis a vis the iconic Miura.
Examine the Countach's revolutionary drivetrain layout and the Countach's revolutionary body design and compare and contrast it with the Miura's radical but ultimately derivative engineering and styling ( Mini and GT40 / Corvair Monza GT and SS ).
And none other than Giampaolo Dallara and Marcello Gandini ( the father and mother of the Miura) and Bob Wallace and Paolo Stanzani have each made several statements over the years confirming that they too regard the Miura as derivative and the Countach as revolutionary .
Yet none of this has previously been discussed and presented in an organised way in any of the many, many Countach books and magazine articles currently available.
There is overwhelming objective evidence that the Countach, at the very least, needs to stand toe-to-toe with the Miura - and much evidence that the anarchistic Countach has been much more instructive - both in engineering and styling terms - than the Miura.
2) Ever since I was lucky enough to get hold of my Murcielago Roadster in 2014 I have been interested in how and why the Countach evolved into the Diablo and then the Murcielago. A Holy Trinity of Lamborghinis - all spaceframed chassis'ed, all wedge -shaped, all Bizzarrini V12-engined, all with true guillotine doors - a dynasty that lasted from 1971/4 to 2010.
Socio-politico-economic factors, aerodynamics, advances in science and design, and inter-manufacturer rivalry were the core factors that drove this evolution forwards - fuel availability and prices, wars, revolutions, economic crises, OPEAC and OPEC, recessions, Central Bank interest rates, air-pollution legislation, driver, passenger and pedestrian laws, and Ralph Nader all shaped the Diablo and Murcielago - but underneath both remained the same, unchanged Countach engineering and styling template. And the Countach influenced other supercar manufacturers too - including Ferrari.
Fascinating stuff - at least to my mind.
CGT2 - I am afraid I cannot tell you when the book that you ordered is coming out because there are actually 2 Countach-related books coming out shortly.
This is very poor time management on my part - particularly as both books have been in preparation for the last 5 years or so - but neither publisher is prepared to hold back for the other!
Thank you to all the PH'er who helped including Raymond QV, Robert Hennessey , Ferruccio/ Mark, and Nigel Holland.
Contributions again came in from each of the 7 continents, bar the Emperor penguins of Antarctica who refused to play
I am keen not to fall foul of PH's rules on advertising so will not say any more about the books.
But since I am here I would like to talk about 2 topics that have long fascinated, intrigued and to some extent bothered me.
1) Years and years before I bought F920OYR in 2001 I felt that the Countach was not being given its rightful place in the Lamborghini hierachy vis a vis the iconic Miura.
Examine the Countach's revolutionary drivetrain layout and the Countach's revolutionary body design and compare and contrast it with the Miura's radical but ultimately derivative engineering and styling ( Mini and GT40 / Corvair Monza GT and SS ).
And none other than Giampaolo Dallara and Marcello Gandini ( the father and mother of the Miura) and Bob Wallace and Paolo Stanzani have each made several statements over the years confirming that they too regard the Miura as derivative and the Countach as revolutionary .
Yet none of this has previously been discussed and presented in an organised way in any of the many, many Countach books and magazine articles currently available.
There is overwhelming objective evidence that the Countach, at the very least, needs to stand toe-to-toe with the Miura - and much evidence that the anarchistic Countach has been much more instructive - both in engineering and styling terms - than the Miura.
2) Ever since I was lucky enough to get hold of my Murcielago Roadster in 2014 I have been interested in how and why the Countach evolved into the Diablo and then the Murcielago. A Holy Trinity of Lamborghinis - all spaceframed chassis'ed, all wedge -shaped, all Bizzarrini V12-engined, all with true guillotine doors - a dynasty that lasted from 1971/4 to 2010.
Socio-politico-economic factors, aerodynamics, advances in science and design, and inter-manufacturer rivalry were the core factors that drove this evolution forwards - fuel availability and prices, wars, revolutions, economic crises, OPEAC and OPEC, recessions, Central Bank interest rates, air-pollution legislation, driver, passenger and pedestrian laws, and Ralph Nader all shaped the Diablo and Murcielago - but underneath both remained the same, unchanged Countach engineering and styling template. And the Countach influenced other supercar manufacturers too - including Ferrari.
Fascinating stuff - at least to my mind.
You're absolutely right! I've been wondering this for decades: the Countach is extremely undervalued for a thousand reasons. It's rising in value a little now, but in my opinion it will go towards a few million.Hi again 845ste,
I see that you have a Murcielagotoo.
I really enjoyed researching the similarities and the differences between the Countach and the Diablo and the Murcielago for the ‘Lamborghini’s Holy Trinity’ book.
Of course living near Venice you will have much easier access to all the Lamborghini luminaries that I had to travel so far to meet - Balboni, Tonino, Reggiani, Pagani, Marchesi, Dallara’s.
Sadly, Paolo Stanzani , the father of the Countach ,and Marcello Gandini,its mother have passed away , but they were both open and very generous with their time.
Do try and meet the others mentioned above as they will give an added dimension to your custodianship of the Countach and Murcie.
I have never met or communicated with Luc Donkerwolke who styled our Murcielagos. It would be very interesting to hear what influenced him
I see that you have a Murcielagotoo.
I really enjoyed researching the similarities and the differences between the Countach and the Diablo and the Murcielago for the ‘Lamborghini’s Holy Trinity’ book.
Of course living near Venice you will have much easier access to all the Lamborghini luminaries that I had to travel so far to meet - Balboni, Tonino, Reggiani, Pagani, Marchesi, Dallara’s.
Sadly, Paolo Stanzani , the father of the Countach ,and Marcello Gandini,its mother have passed away , but they were both open and very generous with their time.
Do try and meet the others mentioned above as they will give an added dimension to your custodianship of the Countach and Murcie.
I have never met or communicated with Luc Donkerwolke who styled our Murcielagos. It would be very interesting to hear what influenced him
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I've had the Murcy for 9 years: completely different from the Countach! The thing that struck me most is that they don't even seem to have the same engine: it sounds completely different, like the rpm increases when you accelerate.
It's much bulkier on the road than the Countach, but above all, the interior is much more modern and functional, better finished, more solid.
You can see Audi had a hand in it!
For now, I can't say more: if you want, when I test drive the Countach, I'll give you a detailed report.
I've had the Murcy for 9 years: completely different from the Countach! The thing that struck me most is that they don't even seem to have the same engine: it sounds completely different, like the rpm increases when you accelerate.
It's much bulkier on the road than the Countach, but above all, the interior is much more modern and functional, better finished, more solid.
You can see Audi had a hand in it!
For now, I can't say more: if you want, when I test drive the Countach, I'll give you a detailed report.
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