My old Lambo photos from the 90s

My old Lambo photos from the 90s

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2172cc

1,103 posts

97 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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I have these to add that I took at Silverstone probably late 90's... certainly pre-digital camera as they are on proper prints.
In the photo the colour is more a sort of pinky purple shade but when I scanned it looks more red.



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miurasv

458 posts

209 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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2172cc said:
I have these to add that I took at Silverstone probably late 90's... certainly pre-digital camera as they are on proper prints.
In the photo the colour is more a sort of pinky purple shade but when I scanned it looks more red.



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5Valve

73 posts

174 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2020
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Just catching up on the old photo's thread, and, lo and behold my old motor shows up! I take it you all know this is the BBC "Fair Game" car from 1994.
I sold it back in 2005, to a Japanese gentleman. I assumed it was a strange buy being LHD for use in a RHD market, but, as they say 'there's no accounting for taste'. Anyway a couple of years ago I had a phone call from the new owner, in the UK, who told me he had bought the car and it was awaiting shipment to the UK from California. Seemingly it went out to the US in 2005 after being repainted yellow in the UK. The Red it was painted, in the photo, was the Peugeot 205 Vallelunga Red. The car is currently in Italy being completely restored, it has been painted it's original colour of Lime Green. Once it comes back to the UK I have been offered a drive of it, so, no doubt I can do one of "arry's" test drives on U-Tube in it. As an aside when I scraped all the paint off it, circa 1982, it had already been Lime Green, Mid Blue and Yellow, I painted it Red, the next owner back to Yellow and now Lime Green again. Moral of story, the paint companies have made quite a profit out of this particular car!

raymondqv

120 posts

100 months

Monday 28th December 2020
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raymondqv said:
Bob the Cop said:

Found this one of my sister standing next to the demo P250 in 1973.
I caanot recall if this was the first or second RHD car. We also had a Red car and had the registration numbers of 11NKO and UHO1 but I cannot recall which was first.
I do recall that the car had a habit of spitting back through the carbs resulting in a flame or two in the engine bay.
I drove this car down to Dorset for a car show in glorious weather in the summer of 73. There must be other photos of it somewhere.
This is the 4th Urraco to UK
15112 #75 15112 manuale si ac gdx oro metallizzato senape 15.07.1973 02.08.1973 lamborghini concessionaria woolsgroove londra inghilterra dealer
Bob, according to Derek, it was LHD 15001 which had issues with flames, he just wrote me yesterday about this and that the car was sent back to the factory and the air filters got changed.
The car in the picture with your sister is RHD (can be seen in the high res variant) this means clearly 15112.
Perhaps you can find more pictures from this time that would be super interesting.

15001 was the test car against the Porsche 911 reg. LVX52K
https://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/alb...
raymondqv said:
Sure :-) I can provide you the entire list on private basis (110 went to UK)
15001 16 l240 8 15001 manuale ve gsx oro pelle beige 28.09.1972 02.10.1972 lamborghini concessionaria woolsgroove londra inghilterra dealer
15040 21 l240 8 15040 manuale gdx arancio nero grigio 12.10.1972 21.11.1972 lamborghini concessionaria woolsgroove londra inghilterra dealer
15112 75 l240 8 15112 manuale si ac gdx oro metallizzato senape 15.07.1973 02.08.1973 lamborghini concessionaria woolsgroove londra inghilterra dealer
15514 221 l240 8 15514 manuale si ac gdx argento bleu 05.09.1973 14.09.1973 lamborghini concessionaria woolsgroove londra inghilterra dealer
15510 222 l240 8 15510 manuale si ac gdx argento metallizzato bleu 06.09.1973 21.09.1973 lamborghini concessionaria woolsgroove londra inghilterra dealer kenneth ball
15526 223 l240 8 15526 manuale si gdx argento bleu 08.09.1973 28.09.1973 lamborghini limited vander steen inghilterra dealer sedley londra
15512 224 l240 8 15512 manuale si gdx champagne testa di moro 10.09.1973 26.09.1973 lamborghini concessionaria woolsgroove londra inghilterra dealer christian
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stevewak

497 posts

130 months

Tuesday 29th December 2020
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stevewak said:
NIK W said:
WGC526G

Was my Dads from nearly new was originally lime green, can't imagine why you would change it to white but each to their own...
Would love to know more for Simon Kidston’s Miura book, Register volume. Could you email info@miurabook.com ? We might have more info for you. Thanks.
Hi, Just bumping this as your PH account does not accept emails. Would love to know more. Thanks in advance and Happy New Year!

snapper seven

Original Poster:

713 posts

214 months

Wednesday 30th December 2020
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5Valve said:
Just catching up on the old photo's thread, and, lo and behold my old motor shows up! I take it you all know this is the BBC "Fair Game" car from 1994.
I sold it back in 2005, to a Japanese gentleman. I assumed it was a strange buy being LHD for use in a RHD market, but, as they say 'there's no accounting for taste'. Anyway a couple of years ago I had a phone call from the new owner, in the UK, who told me he had bought the car and it was awaiting shipment to the UK from California. Seemingly it went out to the US in 2005 after being repainted yellow in the UK. The Red it was painted, in the photo, was the Peugeot 205 Vallelunga Red. The car is currently in Italy being completely restored, it has been painted it's original colour of Lime Green. Once it comes back to the UK I have been offered a drive of it, so, no doubt I can do one of "arry's" test drives on U-Tube in it. As an aside when I scraped all the paint off it, circa 1982, it had already been Lime Green, Mid Blue and Yellow, I painted it Red, the next owner back to Yellow and now Lime Green again. Moral of story, the paint companies have made quite a profit out of this particular car!
Your Miura in Fair Game was fabulous, got a reasonable amount of air time and good action filming too. I used to have that film on VHS but not sure now. Never seem to see it shown on telly anymore sadly.
Amazing how many colour changes one car has gone through!

With regards to Japan and the LHD configuration - apparently LHD is big in Japan, something of a status symbol and something special if you like, to have a left hooker. For example, so many of the Countaches in Japan are LHD. I'll never understand it either.

cheers
SS

Bob the Cop

188 posts

84 months

Friday 1st January 2021
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[/quote]Bob, according to Derek, it was LHD 15001 which had issues with flames, he just wrote me yesterday about this and that the car was sent back to the factory and the air filters got changed.
The car in the picture with your sister is RHD (can be seen in the high res variant) this means clearly 15112.
Perhaps you can find more pictures from this time that would be super interesting.

15001 was the test car against the Porsche 911 reg. LVX52K
https://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/alb...

There is a back story to the CAR magazine roadtest! 15001 was registered as LYX52K and indeed did have issues with the carburation. But this roadtest is not what it seems.
Mel Nichols of CAR magazine was an aquaintance of the Lamborghini importer Roger Phillips. Roger advertised Lamborghini with CAR and his adverts were prominent in the magazine. Mel was able to visit the Lamborghini factory and get access to road test vehicles with the assistance of Roger.
Mels roadtests took place in Italy and by bringing the odd car back to the UK. He also had access to the UK demo cars.This continued for a few years and culminated in the 'Convoy' article of 1977 where 3 Lamborghinis were driven in convoy from Italy to the UK.

Mel had indeed driven a Urraco or two but I was driving LYX52K in the CAR magazine roadtest photos. This was an article that the magazine put together from previous experience and I drove the Urraco for the photo shoot.
I did experience the carb problem with 15001 before it was returned to the factory. However I did experience the same problem with 15112 to a lesser extent. This was rectified by a factory modification carried out in the UK by either Del, Tom Gilban or Bob West.

As I have previously said, I do not recall any of these cars by chassis numbers. I identified a car by the customer or the registration number which is why I remember the Urraco being LYX52K and not LVX52K.
I appreciate your posts because it is helping me to recall things that happened 48 years ago ! Keep up the good work.



raymondqv

120 posts

100 months

Friday 1st January 2021
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Bob, thanks for the correction on the registration, the plates are hard to identify on the scan of old magazines.

Derek sent me the invoice of 15001, also some docu about the changed filters with the separate box.
Do you have his contact - If not, I can provide you.

Bob the Cop

188 posts

84 months

Friday 1st January 2021
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Thanks Raymond. I have Del's contact details, I communicated with him a couple of weeks ago.

sonicbloo

637 posts

150 months

Friday 1st January 2021
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snapper seven said:
Your Miura in Fair Game was fabulous, got a reasonable amount of air time and good action filming too. I used to have that film on VHS but not sure now. Never seem to see it shown on telly anymore sadly.
Amazing how many colour changes one car has gone through!

With regards to Japan and the LHD configuration - apparently LHD is big in Japan, something of a status symbol and something special if you like, to have a left hooker. For example, so many of the Countaches in Japan are LHD. I'll never understand it either.

cheers
SS
I taped the film which has only ever been shown once on TV (the night before the 1994 world cup began) A few years later, I found someone else who also had a copy on VHS, which he eventually up loaded onto youtube in several parts. Sadly some parts have been muted - probably due to music copyrights.

I transferred my copy to DVD, and have watched it countless times since, absolutely fantastic viewing for fans of the Miura (.........and Lena Headey smile )

My copy is not brilliant quality so I live in hope it might one day be aired again

(sorry for the thread hijack!)

jdfelter

2 posts

38 months

Monday 8th February 2021
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Bob the Cop said:
Some very interesting comments and photographs appearing.
First the number plate 1NKO to my knowledge was owned by Roger Phillips or Lamborghini. I changed this plate more than once from Espada to Urraco and it appeared in several magazine articles. I don't think that an individual in the printing business would have loaned his car for a roadtest. There was another plate, 11NKO maybe this is the one Del is thinking of. However it is all a very long time ago now!

The Rod Stewart Miura OVM8H. The photo was taken on 12th September 1971 which was a year before I joined Lamborghini. In November 1971 the Lamborghini concession was announced between Bob Pierce of Silvertune, Roger Phillips of Silvertune and Nicholas Van der Steen of NVD. The Silvertune company was located at 142 New Kings Road S.W.6. Prior to Silvertune it had been the Italian Car Centre in Alie Street. (these premises never moved or stopped servicing Lamborghini only the name changed).
I know that Rod Stewart and Roger Phillips had known each other from Highgate where Roger was born. I also know that Roger Phillips was involved in a spectacular crash in a Miura, I believe in Sloane Street Chelsea in either 1969/1970. It made the press! I have no doubt that OVM8H came via Roger Phillips somehow, however Rod had this car before my time. I can only relate to cars I saw or drove whilst employed from November 1972 up to February 1974. (plus cars after 1974 that I saw or drove during my association with Roger).

I do recall that there were a series of JLL---K registration numbers, a red Espada belonging to Paul McCartney JLL834K and a Miura 831K. There were also a few on LUC--K and i have a niggling memory of a Black Miura which may have been on LYV---.
With regard to the Urraco, I remember the Orange car which was our first RHD and the Gold car which I believe was our second RHD. There were other RHD cars destined for other countries but I was not into chassis numbers, I only recall what we got.

When visiting the factory in 1973 my contact was Ubaldo Sgarzi. A lovely man who basically ran the factory. Roger had a great connection with Ubaldo and managed to obtain cars that perhaps he had not ordered! One such car was a green LHD Espada which suddenly appeared one day. The car had been imported into the UK and taxes paid. Roger found a customer for the car but he did not want to pay the tax as he would eventually take the car out of the UK.
The HM Customs set up was very different in those days. When we drove a Lamborghini from the factory into the UK, the car had to be declared as freight. It did not go through the normal port entry but was instead diverted to a freight section that was mainly heavy goods vehicles. We would notify our shipping agent MAT and they would meet the car and driver at Dover with the necessary paperwork for import. My contact at MAT was Dennis.

To reclaim the paid duty on the green LHD Espada I had to take it out of the country. I drove the car to Dover and onto the ferry for Calais. Dennis did the required paperwork to claim back the duty. On arrival at Calais I drove the car to Bolougne and brought the car back in at Folkestone. job done!
The car was later exported, I think to the Lebanon as we had a customer from there, Riad Dessouki who purchased more than one Lamborghini.

The follow on story goes back to number plates. I have mentioned 1NKO and UHO1 and the trade plate 913LN. The green LHD Espada was not registered so it had to be driven on trade plates. However I could not use the trade plate in France so we made up a reflective set of plates with this 913LN number. It did not look out of place on the LHD car and I had relevant insurance paperwork. The only problem is that the red/white trade plates were not to be found, i needed these to be in the car in the Uk. I was assured that they would be waiting for me on my return to Folkestone for my journey back to London.
On arrival at Folkestone the plates were not forthcoming so I had no option but to continue. I got onto the M20 and was somewhere around Ashford when I saw a white Rover P6 come down the slip road. I was in a LHD car with a Kilometre speedo, i glanced down at it and saw that I was travelling a bit too fast. I did not want to show any brake lights so i eased off enough for the Police to catch up. They took an interest in the car and pulled me onto the hard shoulder. The cop was a nice guy, I showed him the car, the engine and even let him sit in it. Then he wrote me a ticket for 85mph in a 70mph limit. I tried to explain that I had a LHD with a KMPH car and that the Epada at 85mph was like a normal car at 45mph, but i think he just wanted to paint the outline of a Lamborghini on his police car door. This was my first...and last motoring offence. The good news is that when looking at the car the cop did not notice the lack of a tax disc or query the registration number. I paid the fine and said no more!

So back to number plates on a Lamborghini photo, don't rely on them!

I do not have a photo of the Silhouette A SPOOK. It was a USA owners meeting in San Diego in 1980...........maybe an American owner can assist?
If anyone is in contact with Barry Martina he may be able to recall it, I am not sure if we were sober at the time!
San Diego 1980, Roger, Barry, and Bob the Cop! Did this involve the Honda 3 wheeler that Roger bought? Vodka and Coke drinks can blur the memory. I have lost touch with Roger long ago, what is his current situation? Best regards, Jay D Felter.

cgt2

7,100 posts

188 months

Monday 8th February 2021
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I thought Roger passed away some time ago. Is Barry Martina still with us. Amazing people

Ferruccio

1,835 posts

119 months

Monday 8th February 2021
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On page 16 of this thread someone said he unfortunately passed away in 2016.

Bob the Cop

188 posts

84 months

Monday 8th February 2021
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Hi Jay.

Barry Martina is no longer with us.
Roger is still alive. He is in poor health and difficult to communicate with !

The trip involved a Honda 4 wheeler, a 'Pilot' which eventually made it's way to the Uk. A dangerous off road vehicle that caused a few cuts and bruises.

I am still pressing Roger to write his memoirs, I have managed to get him to release some information on the early years. Fortunately Del H and I are in contact so the information is not lost. Hopefully something will happen.

I am comforted by the fact that so many people have memories which help to jog my memory of the days I spent with Lamborghini. Every now and then something new emerges from my grey cells that raises a smile and a chuckle.


jdfelter

2 posts

38 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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Hi Bob,

See what time does? I remember 3 wheels. I was living in LA or Newport and we drove to San Diego for the meeting.
Best regards to Roger and you.
Jay

JuniorD

8,625 posts

223 months

Sunday 25th April 2021
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Robert W said:
Wow. Can I ask if you have photos of four cars that I have never seen a photo of by any chance? A red RHD LP5000S A266SYM; a red RHD QV DY2857, a white RHD skirted QV EE593AK and a black RHD Anniversary G470VYE. These were all suppied by Portman Lamborghini, so must have been there at some point, but I have never seen any photo of any of them. [Slightly selfish, but I thought I may as well ask!]. Keep the fantastic photos and stories coming. I will keep filling in gaps where I can. Thank you.
Here’s EE593AK for you in case you’ve not found it already. The first countach I ever saw.




Robert W

544 posts

162 months

Sunday 25th April 2021
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JuniorD said:
Robert W said:
Wow. Can I ask if you have photos of four cars that I have never seen a photo of by any chance? A red RHD LP5000S A266SYM; a red RHD QV DY2857, a white RHD skirted QV EE593AK and a black RHD Anniversary G470VYE. These were all suppied by Portman Lamborghini, so must have been there at some point, but I have never seen any photo of any of them. [Slightly selfish, but I thought I may as well ask!]. Keep the fantastic photos and stories coming. I will keep filling in gaps where I can. Thank you.
Here’s EE593AK for you in case you’ve not found it already. The first countach I ever saw.



Thank you very much. Wow! Thank you.

JuniorD

8,625 posts

223 months

Monday 26th April 2021
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Robert W said:
Thank you very much. Wow! Thank you.
Here’s a couple more. I took these in Belgiumback in the day, the car was being delivered to the UK.



Robert W

544 posts

162 months

Monday 26th April 2021
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Thank you so much for these.

These are extremely exciting photos (to me anyway!).

It was always quoted that there were 14 RHD skirted Countach QVs, but as my useless information grew, I worked out there are more, in fact 17.

This is one of the additional cars, which no one seemed to know existed as it is identical spec to a couple of others.

New to power boat race Roger Hedge, this car literally was never seen in public and no photo of it existed.

Iain Tyrrell featured the car in one of his videos in his workshop with less than 10k on the clock in about 2019.

Your photos are the only ones I have ever seen of the car between 1988 and about 2018 - ie the only photos of the car in the first 30 years of its life.

These photos are of its first owner, presumably Roger Hedge, driving his brand new Countach back from the Ferrari factory - that is what the EE plates signify.

If it’s ok, I’ll publish these on Instagram with the story (see robert.westall on Instagram)?

Thank you for taking the time to find and share these - they are brilliant.

JuniorD

8,625 posts

223 months

Monday 26th April 2021
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Robert W said:
Thank you so much for these.

These are extremely exciting photos (to me anyway!).

It was always quoted that there were 14 RHD skirted Countach QVs, but as my useless information grew, I worked out there are more, in fact 17.

This is one of the additional cars, which no one seemed to know existed as it is identical spec to a couple of others.

New to power boat race Roger Hedge, this car literally was never seen in public and no photo of it existed.

Iain Tyrrell featured the car in one of his videos in his workshop with less than 10k on the clock in about 2019.

Your photos are the only ones I have ever seen of the car between 1988 and about 2018 - ie the only photos of the car in the first 30 years of its life.

These photos are of its first owner, presumably Roger Hedge, driving his brand new Countach back from the Ferrari factory - that is what the EE plates signify.

If it’s ok, I’ll publish these on Instagram with the story (see robert.westall on Instagram)?

Thank you for taking the time to find and share these - they are brilliant.
I'm glad they are of use to you. I've had them in a photo album since the day I got them back from the chemist! I could probably scan them to you for better resolution / reduced reflections. I'll make contact with you via Instagram as the email associated with my PH profile is long gone.