Well here it is - the 720S

Well here it is - the 720S

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isaldiri

18,418 posts

167 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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Streetrod said:
WDISMYL said:
Currently if you get into a cycle of being front of the queue then you get to own these cars for little or no depreciation for the first year at least. Rinse and repeat.

Ironically the bulk of genuine buyers either have to wait for 2 years plus or buy into the depreciation curve. How is that fair?
Thank makes no sense. Any buyer can put their name down early for a car that is coming
WDISMYL has a very sensible suggestion imo. People who want an early car and paying for it will sort out a lot of the flippers trying to get cars early.

Streetrod - you say that any buyer can put their name down early for a car. That is true but the reality is that the favoured customers of the various large dealerships (Rybrook, Stratstone, Jardine) are always the ones to get the early cars and usually across the various brands the dealerships represent.

WDISMYL

235 posts

86 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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Beefmeister said:
I'm with Streetrod on this. Your idea is terrible.
Well then you haven't thought it through properly.

Look at all the PH customers about to take delivery of the 720s- very well heeled by the look of their garages. You think it is equitable that they get to the front of the queue for the same price as a customer that has to wait 2 years?

Take the 720s as an example. Without options it is approx. £210k. Let's assume in a years time it is trading £25k over list then the decay curve might look like: (each number is a month delivery time). So someone expecting a car in 12 months time will have to pay £25k over list.


1 290k
2 280k
3 270k
4 262k
5 257k
6 252k
7 248k
8 244k
9 241k
10 238k
11 236k
12 235k


The market would obviously do a better job than my estimates. But what is wrong with making people who want the cars first paying the manufacturer more and sharing in the depreciation curve of the car?

Currently the list is open to "corruption" and manipulation.

Edit: In reality the market would probably have a steeper curve such that there wouldn't actually be a premium over list by the end of the first year because supply and demand would be better matched. It would spread the depreciation over the buyers much more efficiently.

[footnote]Edited by WDISMYL on Friday 21st April 19:21[/footn


Edited by WDISMYL on Friday 21st April 19:32

MDL111

6,895 posts

176 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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Streetrod said:
WDISMYL said:
I have never understood why manufacturers don't simply use an auction process to shift the cars until supply/demand causes the price to drop to the originally intended price.

That way the manufacturer gets the benefit of initial mismatch in supply/demand rather than someone who let's his dealer sleep with his wife etc.

It will stop all the "corruption" with respect to being mysteriously moved down the list.

Just let the market decide who gets the first few cars. If they want to reward loyalty with LT versions they can still do it.
Are you seriously saying that those with the deepest pockets should get the first dibs on these new cars?? What a daft idea. And what does that do to the value of those cars once production catches up with demand?
Seems reasonable to me - and I can't even afford a new 720. Supply and demand - it is not like we are talking about access to medical care or basic education here .....

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

169 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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So throw list price out the window and start a dutch auction whereby the wealthiest still end up with the cars and real enthusiasts still cant get their hands on one to actually drive.

Bonkers. This overs list bubble cant be sustained and hopefully a few flippers will catch a cold as its spoiling the market for car enthusiasts who just want to drive the damn things at a reasonable cost rather than make money.
I do that with houses so no doubt I am a hypocrit anyway

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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Hypocrite.

TP321

1,475 posts

197 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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sone said:
laughlaughlaugh

Wishful thinking.


Edited by TP321 on Friday 21st April 22:13

stoatage17

119 posts

85 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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TP321 said:
sone said:
laughlaughlaugh

Wishful thinking.


Edited by TP321 on Friday 21st April 22:13
This is a very rare 720S, being front engineered, according to the ad!

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Saturday 22nd April 2017
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Good to see a British-led premium car company doing well and their new models in high demand. Makes a pleasant change from the likes of Lotus crashing from one calamity to another. The UK is a (relatively) free market. Good luck to Macca and the flippers.

AeroMan

601 posts

244 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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woppum said:
993AL said:
I believe there's an updated price list now where you can spec the longer paddles without going for the whole MSO CF wheel.
Correct yes. Like the windows on launch edition 3 customers voted with their feet
Does anybody have a copy of this new MSO price-list as I would like to order the longer paddles on my car, and the MSO price-list I have does not show them?

ThatnameagainitsTGE

390 posts

87 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Buzzing to see what the press think of the car. Sadly missed my chance to get out to Rome for the drive.
Youtube will be awash also with the 720s over the coming weeks which I'm looking forward to, but unfortunately not mine. Yet anyway.

Seems to be strong demand for this car, and rightly so from what I've seen and heard of the car; visited a Mac dealer on Saturday, saying they were getting at least 5-10 calls a day asking what the wait is on the 720s.

Who on here is getting a launch car, what spec and what informed their choice?
I didn't get much of a choice by the time I sorted my order out! (my fault)
(Woppum, I already know yours but will keep shtum.)

MarkNC

104 posts

116 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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I've ordered the Memphis Red sport launch edition with the 5-spoke diamond-cut wheels and the combination red alcantara/leather interior. It isn't what I would have ordered but after driving the car I just couldn't imagine waiting until late in the fall to have one so I'm planning to order something to my personal spec and then decide how I feel about the red car when the custom spec'd one arrives. The dealer won't have any problem selling my personal spec if I choose to keep the red car and I feel I wouldn't have any problem reselling the launch edition car, for at least what I paid, if I choose to switch.

Beefmeister

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16,482 posts

229 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Which is exactly what I'd do, if I wasn't about 90% short of financing either biggrin

zippycar

73 posts

203 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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ThatnameagainitsTGE said:
Who on here is getting a launch car,
No one in the UK if the rumours are to be believed.

Hint, have you see a right hand drive 720S yet?

ThatnameagainitsTGE

390 posts

87 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Launch edition I mean...? What rumours?!

zippycar said:
No one in the UK if the rumours are to be believed.

Hint, have you see a right hand drive 720S yet?

Daisy Duke

1,510 posts

200 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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zippycar said:
ThatnameagainitsTGE said:
Who on here is getting a launch car,
No one in the UK if the rumours are to be believed.
Er that's not what I'm hearing as my partner and I are supposed to be getting one, as are a couple of other people we know.

MarkNC said:
I just couldn't imagine waiting until late in the fall to have one so I'm planning to order something to my personal spec and then decide how I feel about the red car when the custom spec'd one arrives. The dealer won't have any problem selling my personal spec if I choose to keep the red car and I feel I wouldn't have any problem reselling the launch edition car, for at least what I paid, if I choose to switch.
That's pretty much what we're doing too, although our launch edition is fairly close to what we would have ordered anyway.

stoatage17

119 posts

85 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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ThatnameagainitsTGE said:
Buzzing to see what the press think of the car. Sadly missed my chance to get out to Rome for the drive.
Youtube will be awash also with the 720s over the coming weeks which I'm looking forward to, but unfortunately not mine. Yet anyway.

Seems to be strong demand for this car, and rightly so from what I've seen and heard of the car; visited a Mac dealer on Saturday, saying they were getting at least 5-10 calls a day asking what the wait is on the 720s.

Who on here is getting a launch car, what spec and what informed their choice?
I didn't get much of a choice by the time I sorted my order out! (my fault)
(Woppum, I already know yours but will keep shtum.)
Well those of us who thought road tests would commence early May are right, Autocar have got their "First Drive" next week. Can't wait!!

rs200evo

131 posts

246 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Press embargo lifts May 3rd. Expect the onslaught then....

WDISMYL

235 posts

86 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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I'm looking forward to them as much as the next guy...but the cynic in me knows that the likelihood of anything but glowing reviews is close to zero, regardless of reality.

Certainly the YouTubers will be desperate for their next VIP invite.

Even Sutcliffe, whose reviews I enjoy watching, omitted to mention whether software had improved the clutch in the new Aventador S - probably the one thing we most wanted to know!

Chris Harris now with the BBC almost certainly can't afford to get banned from Ferrari or Lamborghini again.

They'll be fun to watch - but impartial not a cat in hell's chance.



Edited by WDISMYL on Wednesday 26th April 14:57

Beefmeister

Original Poster:

16,482 posts

229 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Spoken to a few journo mates who have driven it at the launch.

Can't say too much, but it does a Spinal Tap on the LT. Turns everything up to 11.

But also supremely comfortable, practical and easy to drive when you want it to. Savagely fast when you're in the mood.

This is a game changer by all accounts.

Sarnie

8,025 posts

208 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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WDISMYL said:
I'm looking forward to them as much as the next guy...but the cynic in me knows that the likelihood of anything but glowing reviews is close to zero, regardless of reality.

Certainly the YouTubers will be desperate for their next VIP invite.

Even Sutcliffe, whose reviews I enjoy watching, omitted to mention whether software had improved the clutch in the new Aventador S - probably the one thing we most wanted to know!

Chris Harris now with the BBC almost certainly can't afford to get banned from Ferrari or Lamborghini again.

They'll be fun to watch - but impartial not a cat in hell's chance.



Edited by WDISMYL on Wednesday 26th April 14:57
I may be on my own but I don't expect them to be impartial........I watch them for entertainment purposes.......I neither rule in, nor out, any car based on a journo's review..........I take them on board but it's how the car makes me feel when I see it in the flesh and once I'm behind the wheel...........I bought a 12c and loved it............may not have if I'd listened to Tiff & Plato.......