Well here it is - the 720S

[Pioneer]

We all knew the performance was going to be blistering However at the moment I'd still take the Huracan or 458/488.

[ThatnameagainitsTGE]

Bloody hell. Cannot wait for mine! Bonkers

Streetrod said:

Hi Folks

So the first real test is in from Autocar (available at all good news agents today) and the results are well WOW!! Here are some of the highlights

• The 720s has knocked the 488GTB off its perch and is now regarded according to Autocar as best in class
• Around the Autocar dry test circuit the 720s is faster than a P1 at 1min 6.1sec vs 1min 6.8sec
• On the wet circuit the difference is huge, 1min 9.2 sec vs 1min 20.5sec in favour of the 720s
• Braking from 60-0 mph in 2.44sec in 39.9m compared to 40.9m for the P1
• Standing quarter of 10.4 sec compared to 10.2 for the P1
• 0- 190mph in 22.2sec compared to 21.4 for the P1

Negatives seem to be restricted to the sound, not a surprise and as much as I hate to say it probably easily fixed with an aftermarket exhaust and the brakes don’t have that initial bite or feel.

To quote "the 720s could give the 488 a head start of almost 3 seconds allowing the 488 to hit 60mph before the 720s had even moved - and still beat the Italian to 170mph"

Stats at the end of the day only tell part of the story, but the rest of the article states that the 720s is the real deal, happy days.

So what can we conclude? Well this is only one full test, others will follow, but it does appear that McLaren may have winner on its hands

[The Surveyor]

Yipper said:

For balance -- the P1 handling is a disaster at the first sign of rain. The car has been known to spin out on a straight wet road at speeds as low as ~80mph. And it was unable to get under the 7min mark at the dry Ring, despite multiple attempts with ~900bhp.

That's hardly 'balance' though is it. An owner comes on here describing why he loves his car based on his first-hand ownership experience, you come on here saying why you don't like his car.

[The Surveyor]

stoatage17 said:

So Autocar gave the nod to the 720s, and the performance figures unbelievable, almost 5 seconds quicker to 150mph than the 488, ...

That's astonishing performance, well done McLaren

[Yipper]

The Surveyor said:

Yipper said:

For balance -- the P1 handling is a disaster at the first sign of rain. The car has been known to spin out on a straight wet road at speeds as low as ~80mph. And it was unable to get under the 7min mark at the dry Ring, despite multiple attempts with ~900bhp.

That's hardly 'balance' though is it. An owner comes on here describing why he loves his car based on his first-hand ownership experience, you come on here saying why you don't like his car.

Of course it is. Someone says the good bit. Someone else says the not-so-good bit. Perfect balance.

Love the P1. But it is important not to overlook its dangerous wet handling. It may save someone's life.

[isaldiri]

Yipper said:

Of course it is. Someone says the good bit. Someone else says the not-so-good bit. Perfect balance.

Love the P1. But it is important not to overlook its dangerous wet handling. It may save someone's life.

Have you ever driven one in the wet before? A good friend of mine has, many times and it's no different from any high powered supercar with very wide rear tyres. Your comment about dangerous wet handling is total BS even amongst your regular tosh. As far as the autocar wet time is concerned, the 918 afaik did even worse than the P1 - I take it you consider the 918 to be even more dangerous than a P1?

[The Surveyor]

Yipper said:

Of course it is. Someone says the good bit. Someone else says the not-so-good bit. Perfect balance.

Love the P1. But it is important not to overlook its dangerous wet handling. It may save someone's life.

I'll ignore the first line given a lack of any credibility, but thank you for your valued public safety contribution

[MDL111]

Yipper said:

The Surveyor said:

Yipper said:

For balance -- the P1 handling is a disaster at the first sign of rain. The car has been known to spin out on a straight wet road at speeds as low as ~80mph. And it was unable to get under the 7min mark at the dry Ring, despite multiple attempts with ~900bhp.

That's hardly 'balance' though is it. An owner comes on here describing why he loves his car based on his first-hand ownership experience, you come on here saying why you don't like his car.

Of course it is. Someone says the good bit. Someone else says the not-so-good bit. Perfect balance.

Love the P1. But it is important not to overlook its dangerous wet handling. It may save someone's life.

So how many miles have to driven the car - to actually be able to judge the relevance of your statement?

[Maldini35]

Yipper said:

Streetrod said:

Hi Folks

So the first real test is in from Autocar (available at all good news agents today) and the results are well WOW!! Here are some of the highlights

• The 720s has knocked the 488GTB off its perch and is now regarded according to Autocar as best in class
• Around the Autocar dry test circuit the 720s is faster than a P1 at 1min 6.1sec vs 1min 6.8sec
• On the wet circuit the difference is huge, 1min 9.2 sec vs 1min 20.5sec in favour of the 720s
• Braking from 60-0 mph in 2.44sec in 39.9m compared to 40.9m for the P1
• Standing quarter of 10.4 sec compared to 10.2 for the P1
• 0- 190mph in 22.2sec compared to 21.4 for the P1

Negatives seem to be restricted to the sound, not a surprise and as much as I hate to say it probably easily fixed with an aftermarket exhaust and the brakes don’t have that initial bite or feel.

To quote "the 720s could give the 488 a head start of almost 3 seconds allowing the 488 to hit 60mph before the 720s had even moved - and still beat the Italian to 170mph"

Stats at the end of the day only tell part of the story, but the rest of the article states that the 720s is the real deal, happy days.

So what can we conclude? Well this is only one full test, others will follow, but it does appear that McLaren may have winner on its hands

Does the article compare it with the Huracan Performante? It will brake from 62-0mph in ~31 metres.

Forgive me if I reserve judgement until Autocar do the official test.

Damn, that 720S is quick

[MarkNC]

Yipper said:

For balance -- the P1 handling is a disaster at the first sign of rain. The car has been known to spin out on a straight wet road at speeds as low as ~80mph.

That's not been my experience. I've driven my P1 in the rain plenty of times without incident. In fact that's the reason I ordered it with two sets of wheels - one with Corsa tires that are OK in the rain and one with Trofeo R tires that aren't very good in rain and/or cold. I use the Corsas as my regular street tires and mount the Trofeos on for most track days. I have tracked in the Corsas as well. I've been on wet tracks with the car and it was fine. The trick to driving in the rain, in any high-powered performance car, is to not be an idiot and don't try to break the laws of physics.

The new Pirelli P-Zeros that come on the 720S feel amazing and, according to McLaren, are faster than the old Corsas and Trofeos yet deliver pretty good wet weather performance because they have the regular tread instead of the more track oriented Corsas and even more extreme Trofeos. I drove the 720S in the rain and it felt good on those new tires.

BTW the only time I ever spun the P1 was on a bone dry track with the Trofeos tires warmed up plenty. I overcooked a corner then overcorrected. It was embarrassing but the track (Circuit of the Americas) was so wide where I spun I didn't even leave the pavement. Phew!

[Beefmeister]

MarkNC said:

Yipper said:

For balance -- the P1 handling is a disaster at the first sign of rain. The car has been known to spin out on a straight wet road at speeds as low as ~80mph.

That's not been my experience. I've driven my P1 in the rain plenty of times without incident. In fact that's the reason I ordered it with two sets of wheels - one with Corsa tires that are OK in the rain and one with Trofeo R tires that aren't very good in rain and/or cold. I use the Corsas as my regular street tires and mount the Trofeos on for most track days. I have tracked in the Corsas as well. I've been on wet tracks with the car and it was fine. The trick to driving in the rain, in any high-powered performance car, is to not be an idiot and don't try to break the laws of physics.

The new Pirelli P-Zeros that come on the 720S feel amazing and, according to McLaren, are faster than the old Corsas and Trofeos yet deliver pretty good wet weather performance because they have the regular tread instead of the more track oriented Corsas and even more extreme Trofeos. I drove the 720S in the rain and it felt good on those new tires.

BTW the only time I ever spun the P1 was on a bone dry track with the Trofeos tires warmed up plenty. I overcooked a corner then overcorrected. It was embarrassing but the track (Circuit of the Americas) was so wide where I spun I didn't even leave the pavement. Phew!

You can't come on here with your actual ownership experiences and real facts Mark, you'll dealing with an INTERNET EXPERT therefore are always wrong

[anonymous-user]

Beefmeister said:

MarkNC said:

Yipper said:

For balance -- the P1 handling is a disaster at the first sign of rain. The car has been known to spin out on a straight wet road at speeds as low as ~80mph.

That's not been my experience. I've driven my P1 in the rain plenty of times without incident. In fact that's the reason I ordered it with two sets of wheels - one with Corsa tires that are OK in the rain and one with Trofeo R tires that aren't very good in rain and/or cold. I use the Corsas as my regular street tires and mount the Trofeos on for most track days. I have tracked in the Corsas as well. I've been on wet tracks with the car and it was fine. The trick to driving in the rain, in any high-powered performance car, is to not be an idiot and don't try to break the laws of physics.

The new Pirelli P-Zeros that come on the 720S feel amazing and, according to McLaren, are faster than the old Corsas and Trofeos yet deliver pretty good wet weather performance because they have the regular tread instead of the more track oriented Corsas and even more extreme Trofeos. I drove the 720S in the rain and it felt good on those new tires.

BTW the only time I ever spun the P1 was on a bone dry track with the Trofeos tires warmed up plenty. I overcooked a corner then overcorrected. It was embarrassing but the track (Circuit of the Americas) was so wide where I spun I didn't even leave the pavement. Phew!

You can't come on here with your actual ownership experiences and real facts Mark, you'll dealing with an INTERNET EXPERT therefore are always wrong

Yeah, the cheek of it!

[993AL]

Henry Catchpole's review here https://drivetribe.com/p/Zn3WvQM9QeiWoIEinRrCsA?ii...

[isaldiri]

993AL said:

Henry Catchpole's review here https://drivetribe.com/p/Zn3WvQM9QeiWoIEinRrCsA?ii...

much better than the autocar one which read almost like a Mclaren PR release. People will probably point to the comparison to the 12c as a negative but personally I think it's a rather big positive.

[WDISMYL]

isaldiri said:

much better than the autocar one which read almost like a Mclaren PR release. People will probably point to the comparison to the 12c as a negative but personally I think it's a rather big positive.

...an opinion on an opinion....where does it end? This one fits your narrative and therefore its much better and yet according to you we must take no notice of any journalist review...except apparently the ones that are agreeable to you...


I'm being irritating purposefully because your posts tend to come across as though your opinion is fact, notwithstanding your obvious experience with these cars, which can be irritating to read too.

So granted although we are not meant to listen to any of these reviews it seems the prevailing view is the 720s is pretty much the best all round supercar for the money out there but missing an obnoxious exhaust system?

So nothing to put me off yet.

[isaldiri]

WDISMYL said:

...an opinion on an opinion....where does it end? This one fits your narrative and therefore its much better and yet according to you we must take no notice of any journalist review...except apparently the ones that are agreeable to you...


I'm being irritating purposefully because your posts tend to come across as though your opinion is fact, notwithstanding your obvious experience with these cars, which can be irritating to read too.

So granted although we are not meant to listen to any of these reviews it seems the prevailing view is the 720s is pretty much the best all round supercar for the money out there but missing an obnoxious exhaust system?

So nothing to put me off yet.

Agreed it's an opinion obviously but at least it's a review that for me is better balanced and considered than the autocar one as it actually gives one an idea of what the car is to drive and use. If imo a review is interesting and well considered, it's worth reading/watching even if I personally have different conclusions and whatever I think of journalists in general.

P.S without wanting to be argumentative, if i prefaced every opinion with 'imo' it'd be pretty ludicrous as when i'm expressing an opnion it's exactly just that (ie I think journalists reviews are mostly drivel . I like to think while I have some strong opniions about things and am happy to defend them, I'm usually quite careful not to proclaim an opinion as a fact either....

[SteelySteve]

The P1 holds the production car lap record ay Portimao, lets see if a 720s can beat it?

I doubt it. Although Id like a go at Chris Harris's record in my P1.

Edited by SteelySteve on Saturday 27th May 00:11

[flemke]

SteelySteve said:

The P1 holds the production car lap record ay Portimao, lets see if a 720s can beat it?

I doubt it. Although Id like a go at Chris Harris's record in my P1.

Unless the lap times of different cars are measured on the same day in cars driven by the same driver on the same tyres, with the cars having been set up for the conditions by the same technicians, to differentiate between lap times that are 1 or 2% apart and conclude that car A is "faster than" car B is meaningless.

[likesachange]

flemke said:

Unless the lap times of different cars are measured on the same day in cars driven by the same driver on the same tyres, with the cars having been set up for the conditions by the same technicians, to differentiate between lap times that are 1 or 2% apart and conclude that car A is "faster than" car B is meaningless.

Very true. Almost as on par with "what power did your car dyno mate"

Shame about the noise of the car but I suppose they had to leave something for the LT to have over it... or/and the next LT to achieve

[Beefmeister]

Re: the noise, I've no doubt that there's an MSO titanium exhaust waiting in the wings that will provide all the audio drama people want, much like with the 570S. And it'll probably be £10k or something equally absurd, but at least it'll give them an OEM option.