Will I lose my shirt on a 650?
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I would have a 650S. Whatever the depreciation in pounds shillings and pence would be offset by the sheer joy of driving it and the many miles of smiles I would get owning it. You see it is the driving and the emotion that brings that carries so much value that so many people seem to disregard, which on a forum for petrolheads (pistonheads) I find quite surprising.
The only reason I haven’t put my money where my mouth is, will be down to the fact that I am still very much deeply attached to my SL2 Gallardo, (2 1/2 years ownership now) being my first ever Supercar and the marque of car I wanted to aspire to since I was a young lad.
This is also depreciating in money terms, but in my mind, the car has brought me priceless joy which money cannot buy. So I am wealthier for owning it and therefore has been and continues to be a great investment.
The only reason I haven’t put my money where my mouth is, will be down to the fact that I am still very much deeply attached to my SL2 Gallardo, (2 1/2 years ownership now) being my first ever Supercar and the marque of car I wanted to aspire to since I was a young lad.
This is also depreciating in money terms, but in my mind, the car has brought me priceless joy which money cannot buy. So I am wealthier for owning it and therefore has been and continues to be a great investment.
isaldiri said:
All very good about 'bean counters' but there's a bit of a problem with your version of history. Ron Dennis only left Mclaren in 2016 and had presided over the early issues on the 12c caused by rushing out the car too early, the overproduction of the 12c subsequently and the 650 etc as well. He was every bit at fault with the bean counters for those issues you note above with Mclaren Automotive. And for all of RD's infamous OCD, you might have thought a bit more of that might have rubbed off his employees in making sure cars were properly sorted before being released....
I get what you are saying about Ron Dennis over seeing the 12C launch, but I do believe his fellow investors were piling on the pressure to get the car out and start to get a return on their investment. The biggest kick in the teeth for early buyers was to bin the 12C after 2 years despite saying it wold have a production run of 5 years and replace with the 650 and not address the problems the 12C owners were having, also saying that the 650 was the car they should have launched from the outset.There's a lot of 12c bashing going on here...most or all of the problems experienced by the earliest cars will have been resolved under warranty long ago, and other issues sorted by way of normal maintenance...and as with any car there will always be the odd rogue. Its the same car as a 650 with different body panels and some engine tweaks, and of course they`d learnt how to build them properly, but they`d done that with the later 12c`s.
Be prepared to lose your shirt with any supercar...its going to happen at some point. If you can afford one, buy it and enjoy it for the occasion they are.
Be prepared to lose your shirt with any supercar...its going to happen at some point. If you can afford one, buy it and enjoy it for the occasion they are.
rickyneil said:
Love that comment, just having been out for drive in my 650 Spider, sun shining, roads dry, not too busy, that’s what it’s all about
Yes, been a fantastic few days with the top down. A friend sent me this -
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/mclaren-650s...
There is a world of difference between being prepared to lose your shirt, and absolutely 100% guaranteed to.
It seems like the 650s is in the latter camp, whereas if you might be able to get an equally competent car from Italy that you might lose little or nothing on. For me thats enough to keep me away from the McLaren that I might like to try.
If they can resolve that issue I'd be tempted. And if you can get people like me (on the periphery of being able to afford supercars, I need to buy 2nd hand) involved thats better for everyone surely? Then you won't need to take a massive hit when you want out of your 18 month old McLaren to get in a 720s.
Wake me up when Indies can work on them, up till then I'm not interested...
It seems like the 650s is in the latter camp, whereas if you might be able to get an equally competent car from Italy that you might lose little or nothing on. For me thats enough to keep me away from the McLaren that I might like to try.
If they can resolve that issue I'd be tempted. And if you can get people like me (on the periphery of being able to afford supercars, I need to buy 2nd hand) involved thats better for everyone surely? Then you won't need to take a massive hit when you want out of your 18 month old McLaren to get in a 720s.
Wake me up when Indies can work on them, up till then I'm not interested...
Since we are talking specifically about the 650s - it works both ways.
The point is - you can get one NOW and enjoy at least as much performance as a far more expensive (now) Italian due to the fact that unfortunately some other soul has already lost their shirt (though I'm sure they have plenty of shirts).
The point is - you can get one NOW and enjoy at least as much performance as a far more expensive (now) Italian due to the fact that unfortunately some other soul has already lost their shirt (though I'm sure they have plenty of shirts).
He's been offered way less than this. I'd like to make him a fair offer but best he's had to date is £70,000 or leave on SOR we will return you £80-85k but he doesn't want to the risk SOR at the mo too many bad stories. Thats a massive spread on sale v cash. Via a reputable dealer to be fair but strange times.
Desert Dragon said:
He's been offered way less than this. I'd like to make him a fair offer but best he's had to date is £70,000 or leave on SOR we will return you £80-85k but he doesn't want to the risk SOR at the mo too many bad stories. Thats a massive spread on sale v cash. Via a reputable dealer to be fair but strange times.
Then 75 gets you a probable bargain, and him a quick and certain sale...Desert Dragon said:
I've just been offered one of these. Sale through a close friend. 2015 650s coupe with 18k miles. demo + 1 owner from new. What is a fair offer trade doesn't want it unless he px for something else.
It’s because it’s a coupe - no one really bought a 650 coupe - it’s the spider that you really wantI also thought ~£85k before the previous figure was posted. It sounds like you're comparing what a dealer is offering, whereas the prices you've been given are for private sale I think.
Why on earth you'd want it is beyond me though - you're one of the posters who regularly posts about how s
t McLaren is.
Why on earth you'd want it is beyond me though - you're one of the posters who regularly posts about how s
t McLaren is.Desert Dragon from a post on a different thread today........... said:
Out of those two I'd take the SVJ. Never thought I'd say that but thats how much confidence I have in Mcl.
Desert Dragon said:
He's been offered way less than this. I'd like to make him a fair offer but best he's had to date is £70,000 or leave on SOR we will return you £80-85k but he doesn't want to the risk SOR at the mo too many bad stories. Thats a massive spread on sale v cash. Via a reputable dealer to be fair but strange times.
A 650 spider, 2016 on a 66 plate sold last week at auction for £82k. £70k for a 2015 coupe seems about right. davek_964 said:
I also thought ~£85k before the previous figure was posted. It sounds like you're comparing what a dealer is offering, whereas the prices you've been given are for private sale I think.
Why on earth you'd want it is beyond me though - you're one of the posters who regularly posts about how st McLaren is.
Thats non of your business. A friend and I'm helping him out. Jog on. Thanks to others. Why on earth you'd want it is beyond me though - you're one of the posters who regularly posts about how s
t McLaren is.Desert Dragon from a post on a different thread today........... said:
Out of those two I'd take the SVJ. Never thought I'd say that but thats how much confidence I have in Mcl.
TP321 said:
Desert Dragon said:
He's been offered way less than this. I'd like to make him a fair offer but best he's had to date is £70,000 or leave on SOR we will return you £80-85k but he doesn't want to the risk SOR at the mo too many bad stories. Thats a massive spread on sale v cash. Via a reputable dealer to be fair but strange times.
A 650 spider, 2016 on a 66 plate sold last week at auction for £82k. £70k for a 2015 coupe seems about right. Desert Dragon said:
TP321 said:
Desert Dragon said:
He's been offered way less than this. I'd like to make him a fair offer but best he's had to date is £70,000 or leave on SOR we will return you £80-85k but he doesn't want to the risk SOR at the mo too many bad stories. Thats a massive spread on sale v cash. Via a reputable dealer to be fair but strange times.
A 650 spider, 2016 on a 66 plate sold last week at auction for £82k. £70k for a 2015 coupe seems about right. BTW there are only 35 RHD 650 Coupes in the world, be shear accident they are one of the rarest cars, never mind McLaren's, ever made.
Agreed.
Apparently options are worthless and you lose all their value when selling, it “just makes it easier to sell” Is the standard refrain and yet everyone wants a better optioned car! (Which will result in a market premium!)
Of course options retain a percentage of their value and therefore increase its value relative to a poverty spec.
Apparently options are worthless and you lose all their value when selling, it “just makes it easier to sell” Is the standard refrain and yet everyone wants a better optioned car! (Which will result in a market premium!)
Of course options retain a percentage of their value and therefore increase its value relative to a poverty spec.
Very spec dependent and whilst a spider is most peoples preference a good spec coupe is rare.
Its good to see more people opening up their eyes and minds to McLaren as they really do offer fantastic VFM if you get a well sorted car.
Perception and over hyped reputation on tinternet has killed their values and doesn't reflect the product IMHO.
Buy new at list price and you will lose your shirt but buy nearly new or used and you are getting a cracking deal.
Look at other thread for cars at £85k and it seems 570S leads the way but I would rather have a 650S all day.
650/675 are McLaren's best product to date with very few issues all if which would be sorted under warranty now anyway.
Good luck with the purchase and look forward to some glowing reviews from another convert in due course.
I hope to join club with a 675LT spider shortly to make up my own holy trinity.
Ferrar 430 Scuderia, Lamborghini Huracan Performante and McLaren 675LT spider 😍
Its good to see more people opening up their eyes and minds to McLaren as they really do offer fantastic VFM if you get a well sorted car.
Perception and over hyped reputation on tinternet has killed their values and doesn't reflect the product IMHO.
Buy new at list price and you will lose your shirt but buy nearly new or used and you are getting a cracking deal.
Look at other thread for cars at £85k and it seems 570S leads the way but I would rather have a 650S all day.
650/675 are McLaren's best product to date with very few issues all if which would be sorted under warranty now anyway.
Good luck with the purchase and look forward to some glowing reviews from another convert in due course.
I hope to join club with a 675LT spider shortly to make up my own holy trinity.
Ferrar 430 Scuderia, Lamborghini Huracan Performante and McLaren 675LT spider 😍
Edited by WilliamWaiver on Thursday 30th July 15:00
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