650s values

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RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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100 IAN said:
I think you misunderstood Bispal's post. It is the 650S in coupe form specifically that is very rare.

12C's were initially launched in coupe form ahead of there being a choice of coupe & spider. As soon as the spider option was available 4/5 buyers bought spiders. (Being a carbon fibre tub there really is no disadvantage to a spider over a coupe).

When 650S was launched you could buy it in either coupe or spider form from day 1. As 4 out of 5 buyers chose Spiders, the coupes are therefore comparatively rare.

As the 12C was only available as a coupe for the first 2 years, the overall coupe:spider ratio is more balanced (when looking at total numbers of 12C's over its entire production life).
Carbon tub convert ! yikes

gigglebug

2,611 posts

122 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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100 IAN said:
gigglebug said:
I'd would never have guessed at there being so few 650S's in RHD,
I think you misunderstood Bispal's post. It is the 650S in coupe form specifically that is very rare.

12C's were initially launched in coupe form ahead of there being a choice of coupe & spider. As soon as the spider option was available 4/5 buyers bought spiders. (Being a carbon fibre tub there really is no disadvantage to a spider over a coupe).

When 650S was launched you could buy it in either coupe or spider form from day 1. As 4 out of 5 buyers chose Spiders, the coupes are therefore comparatively rare.

As the 12C was only available as a coupe for the first 2 years, the overall coupe:spider ratio is more balanced (when looking at total numbers of 12C's over its entire production life).
No, I understood it fine thanks. It still seems like low number to me but you have answered why there was the lack of uptake for them so thank you for that.

slarti650

1,828 posts

154 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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100 IAN said:
I think you misunderstood Bispal's post. It is the 650S in coupe form specifically that is very rare.

12C's were initially launched in coupe form ahead of there being a choice of coupe & spider. As soon as the spider option was available 4/5 buyers bought spiders. (Being a carbon fibre tub there really is no disadvantage to a spider over a coupe).

When 650S was launched you could buy it in either coupe or spider form from day 1. As 4 out of 5 buyers chose Spiders, the coupes are therefore comparatively rare.

As the 12C was only available as a coupe for the first 2 years, the overall coupe:spider ratio is more balanced (when looking at total numbers of 12C's over its entire production life).
Whilst I have a spider, I must say that the coupe lines are definitely better enough to warrant consideration

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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slarti650 said:
Whilst I have a spider, I must say that the coupe lines are definitely better enough to warrant consideration
Hard to beat open top motoring
It's adds another level to the experience although I also think car sounds best with roof up and rear window down.
Why doesn't the coupe have a feature similar to this ?

gigglebug

2,611 posts

122 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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slarti650 said:
Whilst I have a spider, I must say that the coupe lines are definitely better enough to warrant consideration
I think that, as is the case with a lot of these hard top convertible's, it works when the roofs down but looks slightly odd with it up. The amount of shutlines doesn't help especially when set against one of the brighter paint scheme's.

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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gigglebug said:
I think that, as is the case with a lot of these hard top convertible's, it works when the roofs down but looks slightly odd with it up. The amount of shutlines doesn't help especially when set against one of the brighter paint scheme's.
Very rarely drive a convertible with the roof up even in winter
Put it up when parked up though

gigglebug

2,611 posts

122 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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RamboLambo said:
Very rarely drive a convertible with the roof up even in winter
Put it up when parked up though
Just as it should be. Never really cared for one myself though to be honest but can appreciate why so many prefer them all the same. I like having a decent sunroof or preferably a large panoramic to let plenty of light in but too self conscious to be in full view the whole time. The sound of wind noise, along with flies buzzing, are the two most annoying things I can think of hearing which doesn't help the case either. Hearing more of the engine is the only advantage I can personally see unless I'm missing something else? I'd constantly have the windows down at lower speeds in my Alfa 147 to hear it better, glorious engine that was.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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I think you’re either an open top fan, or you’re not.

Personally, I love the sense of being open to the elements.

993AL

1,936 posts

218 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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gigglebug said:
too self conscious to be in full view the whole time.
It doesn't feel that "open" in the McLaren, the rear buttresses enclose you quite a lot and you sit quite low.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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993AL said:
gigglebug said:
too self conscious to be in full view the whole time.
It doesn't feel that "open" in the McLaren, the rear buttresses enclose you quite a lot and you sit quite low.
Very true. Same with the 570 Spider; it’s more like a targa.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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RamboLambo said:
Hard to beat open top motoring
Not if you're tall with a full head of hair...


Ferruccio

1,835 posts

119 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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thecook101 said:
RamboLambo said:
Hard to beat open top motoring
Not if you're tall with a full head of hair...

Best put your 🐑 in a trailer?

https://goo.gl/images/dkbfKK

gigglebug

2,611 posts

122 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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garyhun said:
993AL said:
gigglebug said:
too self conscious to be in full view the whole time.
It doesn't feel that "open" in the McLaren, the rear buttresses enclose you quite a lot and you sit quite low.
Very true. Same with the 570 Spider; it’s more like a targa.
Maybe I'm missing a trick then!? I did have a Smart coupe for a while which was a targa, amongst other things. That never bothered me so much but then it barely had enough performance for wind noise to be an issue anyway smile

993AL

1,936 posts

218 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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gigglebug said:
garyhun said:
993AL said:
gigglebug said:
too self conscious to be in full view the whole time.
It doesn't feel that "open" in the McLaren, the rear buttresses enclose you quite a lot and you sit quite low.
Very true. Same with the 570 Spider; it’s more like a targa.
Maybe I'm missing a trick then!? I did have a Smart coupe for a while which was a targa, amongst other things. That never bothered me so much but then it barely had enough performance for wind noise to be an issue anyway smile
Yes, like a targa as garyhun says. I agree with your sentiments about feeling exposed in a hard/soft top but the 570 doesn't feel at all like that. I expect the 650 and the12C are the same.

gigglebug

2,611 posts

122 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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993AL said:
Nice range of cars you've had yourself 993AL

993AL

1,936 posts

218 months

Friday 24th August 2018
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gigglebug said:
Nice range of cars you've had yourself 993AL
Cheers gigglebug thumbup

Boshly

2,776 posts

236 months

Saturday 25th August 2018
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RamboLambo said:
You though sir, take internet weirdness to another level. You seem to have a real problem with McLaren and have devoted almost the entirety of your recent posting history trying to devalue the brand and show owners the error of their ways.

It’s very strange behaviour.
Exactly ! certain people come on here to purely knock mclaren and goad me and actually dont contribute or add anything to any other thread.
At least I have an opinion on most subjects and don't confine my posts to trolling.
I think they see me as an easy victim and don't like it when I give it back.
Notice how they all gang up like bullies in the playground.
Just look back at their posts and you will see the pattern. It's a real shame that they de rail every thread with their pathetic trolling
I don’t actually mind your posts RL and take the comments with a big pinch of salt when/if I need to.

The two trolls however, TP and the other, I actually find quite offensive and laughable as they are making such a great effort to venture ‘off piste’ just to make silly noises.

The most amusing thing is that I can quite clearly see, one side smiling and chilled as they type their posts and the other, faces screwed up whilst banging away furiously at the keyboard angrily ....

Keep being chilled RL smile

pilotprice

114 posts

128 months

Saturday 25th August 2018
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I’m new to the brand and have recently purchased a 2013 12c coupe. In my short ownership the car has been brilliant, I find the ISG pretty good for noise it can produce, the car doesn’t seem to sound too bad on the outside either.
It’s probably not as emotive or dramatic as my previous F430 but it’s way more capable and feels twice as fast!
I’d say that it’s move involving than any 911 I’ve owned (about 6) and people absolutely love it!

Car is in for its first service (of my ownership) on Tuesday so we’ll see how that goes!

I could never have afforded to buy my car for 225k but the fact someone else did and allowed me to buy it for sub 100k is brilliant!

It would be nice to see an independent network surface over the next few years. Thorney can service, warrant and repair them (to an extent) but they’re a long way from me!


Juno

4,481 posts

249 months

Saturday 25th August 2018
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pilotprice said:
I’m new to the brand and have recently purchased a 2013 12c coupe. In my short ownership the car has been brilliant, I find the ISG pretty good for noise it can produce, the car doesn’t seem to sound too bad on the outside either.
It’s probably not as emotive or dramatic as my previous F430 but it’s way more capable and feels twice as fast!
I’d say that it’s move involving than any 911 I’ve owned (about 6) and people absolutely love it!

Car is in for its first service (of my ownership) on Tuesday so we’ll see how that goes!

I could never have afforded to buy my car for 225k but the fact someone else did and allowed me to buy it for sub 100k is brilliant!

It would be nice to see an independent network surface over the next few years. Thorney can service, warrant and repair them (to an extent) but they’re a long way from me!

Nice purchase and good to hear you find the car an involving drive thumbup

cayman-black

12,641 posts

216 months

Saturday 25th August 2018
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That looks lovely, congratulations.