So its official (on some tracks) 720s is faster than a P1
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Got my new copy of EVO today and they have a large spread on the 720's. I won't go into the details of the article but will just look at the point raised above.
In very similar conditions on the same tires at the Anglesey track, the 720s posted 1:11.5 with a record top speed of 143mph vs the P1 at 1:12.6. For comparison, a 488 did a 1:12.8.
Now I suspect on a track where aero comes into play more the P1 would have the 720s. But whatever way you cut it its a remarkable achievement for the 720s which will be produced at a rate of 1400 per year so its no limited production special. Progress is a remarkable thing
In very similar conditions on the same tires at the Anglesey track, the 720s posted 1:11.5 with a record top speed of 143mph vs the P1 at 1:12.6. For comparison, a 488 did a 1:12.8.
Now I suspect on a track where aero comes into play more the P1 would have the 720s. But whatever way you cut it its a remarkable achievement for the 720s which will be produced at a rate of 1400 per year so its no limited production special. Progress is a remarkable thing
Streetrod said:
In very similar conditions on the same tires at the Anglesey track,
How do you figure that? The 720 has an entirely new spec of corsas (just look at the tread pattern, new pirelli model as per the 570, same with the new Pzero). The older corsa tyre as per standard on the P1 was a pile of crap to be honest. It was terrible on the 12c/650 and almost certainly worse on the P1. The 720 may or may not be quicker than the P1 and frankly I could care less but it sure wasn't on the same tyres. Streetrod said:
Got my new copy of EVO today and they have a large spread on the 720's. I won't go into the details of the article but will just look at the point raised above.
In very similar conditions on the same tires at the Anglesey track, the 720s posted 1:11.5 with a record top speed of 143mph vs the P1 at 1:12.6. For comparison, a 488 did a 1:12.8.
Now I suspect on a track where aero comes into play more the P1 would have the 720s. But whatever way you cut it its a remarkable achievement for the 720s which will be produced at a rate of 1400 per year so its no limited production special. Progress is a remarkable thing
There must be surely something wrong with those lap times is a 488 is only a fraction of a second slower than a P1 round the entire lap.....and I am not know for my McLaren fondness.....In very similar conditions on the same tires at the Anglesey track, the 720s posted 1:11.5 with a record top speed of 143mph vs the P1 at 1:12.6. For comparison, a 488 did a 1:12.8.
Now I suspect on a track where aero comes into play more the P1 would have the 720s. But whatever way you cut it its a remarkable achievement for the 720s which will be produced at a rate of 1400 per year so its no limited production special. Progress is a remarkable thing
TP321 said:
There must be surely something wrong with those lap times is a 488 is only a fraction of a second slower than a P1 round the entire lap.....and I am not know for my McLaren fondness.....
Different driver. Meaden drove the 488 and he's considerably quicker than Bovingdon who drove the P1. Add in different days and conditions and who knows.
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markclow said:
Yipper said:
The 720S slows significantly on the bigger tracks. It is 20-30secs slower round the Nurburgring than the Huracan Performante and GT3 RS.
I have no dog in this fight but....Whats your agenda? What are you trying to spin? Please link us to some laptimes for proof...
720S = 7:14mins;
HP = 6.52mins;
GT3 RS = 6.47mins.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dedethecollector/set...
Yipper said:
It was in a German mag a few weeks ago.
720S = 7:14mins;
HP = 6.52mins;
GT3 RS = 6.47mins.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dedethecollector/set...
Did you not notice that, at least going by the German mag photo, the Nordschleife lap-time was set in the rain?720S = 7:14mins;
HP = 6.52mins;
GT3 RS = 6.47mins.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dedethecollector/set...
Makes a bit of a difference!
flemke said:
Did you not notice that, at least going by the German mag photo, the Nordschleife lap-time was set in the rain?
Makes a bit of a difference!
As far as I can make it though (not being very conversant in german!) there's no mention in the article of the lap being run in the wet? Off the top of my head, I can't quite recall any SportAuto (or the one that did this one on the 720) laps set with a wet track as they had always waited for a dry run. The picture obviously shows a wet track but that might just have been for runs for taking pictures. Makes a bit of a difference!
Probably also worth noting that HvS who drove the 720 time in the picture also set a very similar laptime in the 918 (and Aventador SV) a few years ago.... And for whatever reason there has not been any supertest done by SportAuto on the Performante.
isaldiri said:
flemke said:
Did you not notice that, at least going by the German mag photo, the Nordschleife lap-time was set in the rain?
Makes a bit of a difference!
As far as I can make it though (not being very conversant in german!) there's no mention in the article of the lap being run in the wet? Off the top of my head, I can't quite recall any SportAuto (or the one that did this one on the 720) laps set with a wet track as they had always waited for a dry run. The picture obviously shows a wet track but that might just have been for runs for taking pictures. Makes a bit of a difference!
Probably also worth noting that HvS who drove the 720 time in the picture also set a very similar laptime in the 918 (and Aventador SV) a few years ago.... And for whatever reason there has not been any supertest done by SportAuto on the Performante.
Saying that, if the lap was driven by HvS, in no way would it be comparable to laps driven by Porsche/Lambo factory drivers who are 30 years younger than him.
I have a lot of time for Horst, but obviously he is not as quick as professional racing drivers - as he is the first to say - and furthermore as a journo he has to be certain that he is driving within his own and the car's limits, whilst factory drivers are encouraged to go for it. Indeed, the factory will expect its driver to take chances, as its priority is achieving the fastest possible time. On the other hand the magazine's priority is to preserve the equipment, and it doesn't really care whether the car is driven at 100% or something less.
Bottom line: it is wrong to compare a magazine's 7:14 for the 720S with a factory's sub-7:00 for a Performante or GT2
hornbaek said:
I speak german and in the text it says that the driving conditions were perfect (so definitely no rain).
Thanks for the clarification.That leaves us with professional racing drivers v professional magazine journalists. My objection is to the thread's headline: "So it's official....", which suggests that the relative times can be compared.
..it says:
"Nun mag es sein, dass just am Messtag beste klimatische und haftung technische Bedingungen geherrscht haben" which means,
" that on the day of measuring the climatic conditions were the best possible" it goes on to say however, that not many other cars will be able to repeat this performance.
In general it is a very positive take on the 720S. (Looks good in the blue colour as well).
"Nun mag es sein, dass just am Messtag beste klimatische und haftung technische Bedingungen geherrscht haben" which means,
" that on the day of measuring the climatic conditions were the best possible" it goes on to say however, that not many other cars will be able to repeat this performance.
In general it is a very positive take on the 720S. (Looks good in the blue colour as well).
Yipper said:
Lap was done in the dry.
They might be able to get it down under 7:10mins with a few more attempts, but it looks a long way behind the Porker and Lambo in the twisties.
Do you know anything about the difference between Horst von Saurma and Lars Kern? They might be able to get it down under 7:10mins with a few more attempts, but it looks a long way behind the Porker and Lambo in the twisties.
Do you know anything about the difference between driving the same car around the same circuit countless times and hopping in cold and driving it for the first time?
Do you know anything about the difference between driving for a factory that is pushing you to get the last possible second of lap-time and driving for a magazine that is pushing you to make sure that you don't cause a big problem with their insurers?
Marc Lieb's lap-time in a 918 was 6:57. Horst's was a 7:13. Does that tell you something?
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