New car - The McLaren Senna
Discussion
Beefmeister said:
The thing it has over th Lambo though is that the Senna is going to be pretty much the fastest thing on a track bar a LM car.
You won't need a lmp car to be faster on track. Very decent chance a GT3 class race car will do it by virtue of slick tyres. I reckon a road legal Radical RXC GT might run the P15 uncomfortably close too as it's a good chunk lighter.Beefmeister said:
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The thing it has over th Lambo though is that the Senna is going to be pretty much the fastest thing on a track bar a LM car.
Until McLaren bring out a GTR version then the super duper version, quickly followed by the MSO super duper duper version. Then people will be angry as there limited edition car isn't as limited as they where told it was going to be. Toys will be thrown from prams and someone will chip in about values falling and there investment isn't worth what they thought it would be. The thing it has over th Lambo though is that the Senna is going to be pretty much the fastest thing on a track bar a LM car.
Anyway about the car, looks like something and engineer would design rather than a stylists which of course it is. Ugly looking thing and not in a Gumpert Apollo ugly cool way.
Beefmeister said:
I agree totally, the Veneno is a far better balanced and cohesive design. And I reallly didn’t like it at first. I meant that the Senna looks nothing like it.
i didnt say it looked identical ... i said spot the similar design cues..... the front and back wings in particular struck for me..... to help you out, what i think are reasonably similar i've marked out for ya.... yeah i might be blind, but i can see a theme, even if its not the same. 
70proof said:
i didnt say it looked identical ... i said spot the similar design cues..... the front and back wings in particular struck for me..... to help you out, what i think are reasonably similar i've marked out for ya.... yeah i might be blind, but i can see a theme, even if its not the same.
You've just marked out aero type bits though rather than one necessarily copying another? The Lambo made a big song and dance about prototype inspired downforce etc when it was released and also Mclaren have made a similarly big deal about the aerodynamics on the car so there's going to be an element of convergence, just as with any other heavily aero focused car. I grant you the rear lights look rather similar though!I read something earlier that could explain the brutal looks. With the demise of prototypes in the LeMans series it has been muted that we will soon see GT’s/Sports cars taking up the premiere spot. A number of manufactures would love to use this stage to promote the race versions of their road cars.
As Ford has done with the GT, the Senna would be an ideal entry for LeMans. Imagine a repeat of the F1’a success at LeMans. I think any issues about its looks would disappear if they managed a class win
As Ford has done with the GT, the Senna would be an ideal entry for LeMans. Imagine a repeat of the F1’a success at LeMans. I think any issues about its looks would disappear if they managed a class win
Streetrod said:
I read something earlier that could explain the brutal looks. With the demise of prototypes in the LeMans series it has been muted that we will soon see GT’s/Sports cars taking up the premiere spot. A number of manufactures would love to use this stage to promote the race versions of their road cars.
As Ford has done with the GT, the Senna would be an ideal entry for LeMans. Imagine a repeat of the F1’a success at LeMans. I think any issues about its looks would disappear if they managed a class win
Demise of prototypes? come again? Privateer LMP1 entries are garnering plenty of interest now that the rules have allowed for a narrower gap between the hybrids and non hybrids. Quite probably it'll make for a better race than before as well. As Ford has done with the GT, the Senna would be an ideal entry for LeMans. Imagine a repeat of the F1’a success at LeMans. I think any issues about its looks would disappear if they managed a class win
If (big if imo) the P15 enters GTE it will be changed out of sight to the point the road car will have practically no relation to the race car apart from the silhouette.
RamboLambo said:
Beefmeister said:
I genuinely wonder if people are medically blind when I read stuff like this.
Veneno looks awesome. Its a lambo and supposed to be outrageous but at least the lines flow and its cohesive unlike the McLaren Senna and I'm "supposed" to be a McLaren fanboy Whilst I like the brand immensely the function over form of both the 720S and Senna are too much for me. Maybe I'm becoming old and should revert back to Lamborghini or god forbid Ferrari lolEdited by RamboLambo on Tuesday 12th December 21:32
Juno said:
RamboLambo said:
Beefmeister said:
I genuinely wonder if people are medically blind when I read stuff like this.
Veneno looks awesome. Its a lambo and supposed to be outrageous but at least the lines flow and its cohesive unlike the McLaren Senna and I'm "supposed" to be a McLaren fanboy Whilst I like the brand immensely the function over form of both the 720S and Senna are too much for me. Maybe I'm becoming old and should revert back to Lamborghini or god forbid Ferrari lolEdited by RamboLambo on Tuesday 12th December 21:32
Who cares what the Senna looks like? It’s not a car, it’s an investment asset. Everything else is just marketing BS. I doubt many, if any, will see a real road, let alone a race track.
And for the record, I believe this is quite possibly the ugliest super car of the decade by quite some margin. Why would anyone buy this instead of a Valkyrie or Project One?
And for the record, I believe this is quite possibly the ugliest super car of the decade by quite some margin. Why would anyone buy this instead of a Valkyrie or Project One?
HighwayStar said:
I think the Veneno looks, ridiculous, awful... just a big ugly mess. Something I’ve never said or posted about any car... the Senna isn’t pretty with but, IMO, it has purpose, attitude and gives me the vibe that it would get the job done.
Agree on the Senna having purpose and attitude. Here are my impressions from the launch http://karenable.com/1st-impressions-mclaren-senna...subirg said:
Who cares what the Senna, Valkyrie or Progect One look like? They’re not cars, they’re an investment asset. Everything else is just marketing BS. I doubt many, if any, will see a real road, let alone a race track.
And for the record, I believe this is quite possibly the ugliest super car of the decade by quite some margin. Why would anyone buy this instead of a Valkyrie or Project One?
Fixed that for you And for the record, I believe this is quite possibly the ugliest super car of the decade by quite some margin. Why would anyone buy this instead of a Valkyrie or Project One?
Who cares what the Senna looks like? Clearly you do, you just told us what you think of it.
We’ll have to wait for someone who has order one to tell us why they bought one over a the other 2. It could be because they are sold out. Could be because it’s a more straightforward car than the Merc. Maybe because it’s well under half the price of the others? Perhaps they’ll have all of them, y’know... more investment assets to drape covers over and close the door on....
BoxerF50 said:
Agree on the Senna having purpose and attitude. Here are my impressions from the launch http://karenable.com/1st-impressions-mclaren-senna...
from your review""The Senna is approximately 160 kg lighter than a Ferrari F40 and has a bit under twice the power. ""
how exactly do you figure that? The F40 is likely 1350 ish kg even fully fuelled in US (ie heavy spec). Euro F40s are certainly more like 1250kg and certainly being 1300. The P15 is 1198kg dry. With fluids and full fuel it's going to be probably 1300kg. I am pretty certain no F40 is 1460kg.....
subirg said:
Who cares what the Senna looks like? It’s not a car, it’s an investment asset. Everything else is just marketing BS. I doubt many, if any, will see a real road, let alone a race track.
And for the record, I believe this is quite possibly the ugliest super car of the decade by quite some margin. Why would anyone buy this instead of a Valkyrie or Project One?
I can assure you that many will see a real road, and also a race track. And for the record, I believe this is quite possibly the ugliest super car of the decade by quite some margin. Why would anyone buy this instead of a Valkyrie or Project One?
Yes, it is ugly. Nonetheless it is not as ugly as the Valkyrie, which look preposterous.
To have one guy design the upper half of a car and have a completely unrelated guy design the lower half of the same car to a totally different design brief is a recipe for disaster, as the finished Valkyrie product demonstrates. It's laughable.
isaldiri said:
from your review
""The Senna is approximately 160 kg lighter than a Ferrari F40 and has a bit under twice the power. ""
how exactly do you figure that? The F40 is likely 1350 ish kg even fully fuelled in US (ie heavy spec). Euro F40s are certainly more like 1250kg and certainly being 1300. The P15 is 1198kg dry. With fluids and full fuel it's going to be probably 1300kg. I am pretty certain no F40 is 1460kg.....
sorry typo, should be 60 kg not 160.""The Senna is approximately 160 kg lighter than a Ferrari F40 and has a bit under twice the power. ""
how exactly do you figure that? The F40 is likely 1350 ish kg even fully fuelled in US (ie heavy spec). Euro F40s are certainly more like 1250kg and certainly being 1300. The P15 is 1198kg dry. With fluids and full fuel it's going to be probably 1300kg. I am pretty certain no F40 is 1460kg.....
woppum said:
Despite waiting to spec my perfect Senna for 2 years I reluctantly handed my allocation back the dealer . La brillaint car no doubt but I just can’t get on with the looks
It will never be attractive, but in the right colour combination it can be made to look okay. I expect the driving will be pretty spectacular.flemke said:
subirg said:
Who cares what the Senna looks like? It’s not a car, it’s an investment asset. Everything else is just marketing BS. I doubt many, if any, will see a real road, let alone a race track.
And for the record, I believe this is quite possibly the ugliest super car of the decade by quite some margin. Why would anyone buy this instead of a Valkyrie or Project One?
I can assure you that many will see a real road, and also a race track. And for the record, I believe this is quite possibly the ugliest super car of the decade by quite some margin. Why would anyone buy this instead of a Valkyrie or Project One?
Yes, it is ugly. Nonetheless it is not as ugly as the Valkyrie, which look preposterous.
To have one guy design the upper half of a car and have a completely unrelated guy design the lower half of the same car to a totally different design brief is a recipe for disaster, as the finished Valkyrie product demonstrates. It's laughable.
Unfortunately, the synic in me has become hugely disillusioned with the whole Hyper Car scene over the last year. More and more hyper car / limited editions being pumped out by every manufacturer, and an army of garagista outfits. None of the interesting cars available to buy as they are all pre sold before release. Then magically, the press seems to review them like they are the latest Ford Focus which everyone can walk into a shop and buy. But you can’t, and the reviews are therefore completely pointless. Just gets my goat. And who buys these things? Mostly investors who don’t really care what it looks like or how it performs as long as it has a good badge and the halo of ‘limited edition’.
subirg said:
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Unfortunately, the synic in me has become hugely disillusioned with the whole Hyper Car scene over the last year. More and more hyper car / limited editions being pumped out by every manufacturer, and an army of garagista outfits. None of the interesting cars available to buy as they are all pre sold before release. Then magically, the press seems to review them like they are the latest Ford Focus which everyone can walk into a shop and buy. But you can’t, and the reviews are therefore completely pointless. Just gets my goat. And who buys these things? Mostly investors who don’t really care what it looks like or how it performs as long as it has a good badge and the halo of ‘limited edition’.
+100%Unfortunately, the synic in me has become hugely disillusioned with the whole Hyper Car scene over the last year. More and more hyper car / limited editions being pumped out by every manufacturer, and an army of garagista outfits. None of the interesting cars available to buy as they are all pre sold before release. Then magically, the press seems to review them like they are the latest Ford Focus which everyone can walk into a shop and buy. But you can’t, and the reviews are therefore completely pointless. Just gets my goat. And who buys these things? Mostly investors who don’t really care what it looks like or how it performs as long as it has a good badge and the halo of ‘limited edition’.
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