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hurstg01 said:
The LM is 'a GTR on steroids' for want of a better phrase that I've borrowed from elsewhere. This is a stunning GTR with the same aero and everything else to the other P1 GTR's that have now been road converted [28 or so to date]. The LM is one of 6 and has the enhancements, amongst other things I mentioned earlier.
BTW - you cannot buy a P1 GTR and get the LM package added on.
I'm confused why you can't get the LM package - I thought LM were the company who did the road conversion for the gtr anyway? why wouldn't they want the extra £BTW - you cannot buy a P1 GTR and get the LM package added on.
WCZ said:
hurstg01 said:
The LM is 'a GTR on steroids' for want of a better phrase that I've borrowed from elsewhere. This is a stunning GTR with the same aero and everything else to the other P1 GTR's that have now been road converted [28 or so to date]. The LM is one of 6 and has the enhancements, amongst other things I mentioned earlier.
BTW - you cannot buy a P1 GTR and get the LM package added on.
I'm confused why you can't get the LM package - I thought LM were the company who did the road conversion for the gtr anyway? why wouldn't they want the extra £BTW - you cannot buy a P1 GTR and get the LM package added on.
Lanzante (some call them Lanzante Motorsport, hence the 'LM') did the conversion but the LM is to mirror the F1LM '6' that were built.
z4RRSchris said:
antoher pair of F1's to wet andys tastebuds
Ah, ROFGO 
p1stonhead said:
Butter Face said:
p1stonhead said:
Any guesses? £4m?
Is that what a P1 goes for??Perhaps £3m more realistic?
Davey S2 said:
Looks amazing in the pics but I've never really seen the point of these road converted race cars.
You just end up with a very compromised road car and a race car that's not quite as good on track as it was originally.
Not something you could take on a trip around Europe without a lot of support either.
I know Andy isn't exactly spoilt for choice about which cars to drive but just 850 miles on this would seem to show its little more than a show car.
Well said.I've just commented something similar regarding the Senna in a different thread.I know that Mclaren in particular have clearly realised that rich people will buy virtually anything 'limited' and won't even ask the price,but I personally wish manufacturers would make either road cars,or pure track cars.Something like a road-legal converted P1 GTR is just odd.Mclaren went to the trouble of additional time and development,modifying the road car into a track-only special...which is then converted to road legal for owners who (in many cases) may already be P1 owners anyway!You just end up with a very compromised road car and a race car that's not quite as good on track as it was originally.
Not something you could take on a trip around Europe without a lot of support either.
I know Andy isn't exactly spoilt for choice about which cars to drive but just 850 miles on this would seem to show its little more than a show car.
Want to make something clear though.These are general comments,not aimed at andy74b at all.The man is a legend as far as I'm concerned!
flemke said:
p1stonhead said:
Butter Face said:
p1stonhead said:
Any guesses? £4m?
Is that what a P1 goes for??Perhaps £3m more realistic?
Butter Face said:
What do they do/what does it actually entail to make one road legal? £250k seems a lot of cash!!
I guess a lot of it is the whole lot of ‘turn it from something very desireable but limited to tracks into something insanely desirable which can be taken on your European tour and be worth a hell of a lot more than before we started’ tax 
p1stonhead said:
Butter Face said:
What do they do/what does it actually entail to make one road legal? £250k seems a lot of cash!!
I guess a lot of it is the whole lot of ‘turn it from something very desireable but limited to tracks into something insanely desirable which can be taken on your European tour and be worth a hell of a lot more than before we started’ tax Butter Face said:
What do they do/what does it actually entail to make one road legal? £250k seems a lot of cash!!
It boggled my mind when I was told. The cars turned up at Lanzantes to then be re-engineered a fair way from what they were to what they are now. They didn’t just turn up as ready GTR’s for DL to slap road tyres, twist the suspension up a bit and add a handbrake 
Butter Face said:
What do they do/what does it actually entail to make one road legal? £250k seems a lot of cash!!
i might be out on the price, but I was told that it was something like that. The original intention was to legalise just a few, if only because the GTR build-run was supposed to be 20-25 units. Once word got out that they could be made road-legal, the demand for the GTRs expanded massively and McLaren sold at least 63 of them. A substantial % of that number were then road-legalised.If you were planning to make just a handful road-legal, you would have to charge a lot per car in order to amortise your fixed costs. When the numbers converted expanded by so much, it became a gravy train for LM.
Put it this way - what McLaren charge to make an F1 GTR road-legal isn't peanuts!
My thought on pricing for conversions-it's not like there's many options for shopping around so bottom line is:if you want your P1 GTR road-legal,you pay whatever you're quoted.I remember content on the forum years ago,where a Zonda owner (possibly even andy74b) asked Pagani to explain/justify some exorbitant costs,and was basically met with a 'you want it,you pay what we say it costs' kind of response.
Butter Face said:
andrew said:
why no lake shot ?!
That’s Tom Hartley, this is with Tom Hartley Junior Is Junior a son that was sent away?
I know that Carl Hartley works for Tom Hartley (Senior/Original??)
RE: Andys P1GTR It's a fabulous looking thing. And as I said elsewhere, makes the Senna look like dog s
t! 
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