12c under £90k

12c under £90k

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j3gme

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885 posts

194 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
12C For £86k with 25k miles...not in the market but.... looks value.

Wilmslowboy

4,208 posts

206 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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Probably around the correct price - when you compare it to other early 12cs for sale (and the gap to later cars/ spiders etc)

However an absolute bargain compared to a 458 - I'd imagine a 2011, 25k mike 458 would be close to £50k more ?


Not a big fan of the std aluminium interior - carbon upgrade makes is soon much more special.



Hurri360

37 posts

75 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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j3gme said:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
12C For £86k with 25k miles...not in the market but.... looks value.
Looks great value.
Cars priced like this will certainly build McLarens customer base at the expense of others.
What other supercar could you get at this price?

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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Hurri360 said:
Looks great value.
Cars priced like this will certainly build McLarens customer base at the expense of others.
What other supercar could you get at this price?
A leggy 2008 F430 F1 with 480 bhp and a single clutch gearbox ? No your right you said supercar the 12C is an absolute steal at £100k.

Proof of the pudding will be in the eating but I bet it wont be for sale for long unlike a lot of the overpriced competitors that have sat with wheels unturned for years literally

davek_964

8,812 posts

175 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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Hurri360 said:
Looks great value.
Cars priced like this will certainly build McLarens customer base at the expense of others.
For me, it kind of does the opposite.

I browsed 12C prices a year or so back, and realistically you were looking at a fair bit more for one. Whether you think they are better than a 458 or not, people have been predicting 458 prices falling for several years now and they just don't. The fact that 12Cs do keep going down in value would stop me considering one. I'm sure they're lovely, but I wouldn't want to add falling prices to the running costs.

WCZ

10,521 posts

194 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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davek_964 said:
For me, it kind of does the opposite.

I browsed 12C prices a year or so back, and realistically you were looking at a fair bit more for one. Whether you think they are better than a 458 or not, people have been predicting 458 prices falling for several years now and they just don't. The fact that 12Cs do keep going down in value would stop me considering one. I'm sure they're lovely, but I wouldn't want to add falling prices to the running costs.
it's worth a punt at £85k and is good value for money, can't see them dropping below £60k - although it is possible, I remember when 360's were £30k
the only other compatible performance for money would be a GTR but that's a different kind of experience.

ferdi p

1,519 posts

172 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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RamboLambo said:
Hurri360 said:
Looks great value.
Cars priced like this will certainly build McLarens customer base at the expense of others.
What other supercar could you get at this price?
A leggy 2008 F430 F1 with 480 bhp and a single clutch gearbox ? No your right you said supercar the 12C is an absolute steal at £100k.

Proof of the pudding will be in the eating but I bet it wont be for sale for long unlike a lot of the overpriced competitors that have sat with wheels unturned for years literally
McLaren needs to allow the odd (approved) independent to start looking after the older cars.
Many people wont buy an 85/90k second hand supercar when the warranty costs 3.5kpa.
They also cant take the risk of owning one without a warranty as McLaren dealers just replace 'bits' when they fail & very rarely try & repair it! Needless to say these costs could prove eye-watering!

likesachange

2,630 posts

194 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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That is great value for such a high performance car..

Would the warranty still be 3.5k with so many miles??

With a little bit of negotiation you could have Mclaren with 3 year full warranty for £95k?!

ferdi p

1,519 posts

172 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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likesachange said:
That is great value for such a high performance car..

Would the warranty still be 3.5k with so many miles??

With a little bit of negotiation you could have Mclaren with 3 year full warranty for £95k?!
Yes it would be 3.5kpa but only after a full inspection & any 'issues' all done & paid for!

Nano2nd

3,426 posts

256 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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ferdi p said:
Many people wont buy an 85/90k second hand supercar when the warranty costs 3.5kpa.
i said this before on another thread and it started a McLaren fanboy PH s**t storm lol... but i agree with you

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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likesachange said:
That is great value for such a high performance car..

Would the warranty still be 3.5k with so many miles??

With a little bit of negotiation you could have Mclaren with 3 year full warranty for £95k?!
Exactly, factor it into the overall deal if you are concerned about the repair costs and it still works out as a steal.
How much would you pay for an equivalent warranty on a 10 year old F430 at similar vehicle purchase price.

Lots of scaremongering stories on McLaren repair costs but the FACTS of the matter ( proven by the warranty repair statistics ) are its no where near as bad as made out by those with a vested interest to dish the brand.

I can assure you I'd rather have a 5 year old McLaren without warranty than a 10 year old Ferrari without warranty

ferdi p

1,519 posts

172 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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RamboLambo said:
Exactly, factor it into the overall deal if you are concerned about the repair costs and it still works out as a steal.
How much would you pay for an equivalent warranty on a 10 year old F430 at similar vehicle purchase price.

Lots of scaremongering stories on McLaren repair costs but the FACTS of the matter ( proven by the warranty repair statistics ) are its no where near as bad as made out by those with a vested interest to dish the brand.

I can assure you I'd rather have a 5 year old McLaren without warranty than a 10 year old Ferrari without warranty
I wouldn't & I have a 650S

If my 10yr old 430 needed a repair there are numerous independent garages literally fighting for my business.

If my 12c breaks, I have to go to a dealer & 'take it' so to speak smile

I agree that McLarens dont have loads of horror stories but that's not the issue, the issue is the high warranty cost & the fact that McLaren pretty much wont let anyone else touch them!

Hurri360

37 posts

75 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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ferdi p said:
RamboLambo said:
Exactly, factor it into the overall deal if you are concerned about the repair costs and it still works out as a steal.
How much would you pay for an equivalent warranty on a 10 year old F430 at similar vehicle purchase price.

Lots of scaremongering stories on McLaren repair costs but the FACTS of the matter ( proven by the warranty repair statistics ) are its no where near as bad as made out by those with a vested interest to dish the brand.

I can assure you I'd rather have a 5 year old McLaren without warranty than a 10 year old Ferrari without warranty
I wouldn't & I have a 650S

If my 10yr old 430 needed a repair there are numerous independent garages literally fighting for my business.

If my 12c breaks, I have to go to a dealer & 'take it' so to speak smile

I agree that McLarens dont have loads of horror stories but that's not the issue, the issue is the high warranty cost & the fact that McLaren pretty much wont let anyone else touch them!
I think comparing a 430 with a 12c is a bit of a mismatch. I remember that the 360 and 430 had their fair share of major problems, although they happened very rarely they were high profile news to potential buyers.
I agree with ferdi p, I’d want a warranty and that presumably reflected in this cars asking price.
As an aside, I think the asking price of a 430 was a little more than half a 12c when new so the warranty price doesn’t seem so bad when seen as a proportion of the cost of the cars. I don’t know how much a warranty on a 458 will cost.

GT Two

3,070 posts

192 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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I have had a 12c for 18 months and 15k miles. The car has never let me down.

McLaren have been great and I have spent more money on a previous F430 fixing rattles, exhaust, manifold and F1 niggles than I have spent on the warranty on my McLaren.

I nearly moved back to a Huracan but it just feels a bit lacking in finesse in comparison. Lovely looking but it can't compete with the performance and turn in of the McLaren.

The car above looks a bargain but I wouldn't own any of these cars without a warranty.

isaldiri

18,555 posts

168 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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likesachange said:
Would the warranty still be 3.5k with so many miles??
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Yes, warranty renewal is not mileage dependent (or no one is getting close to the level where it is which is 6 figures or something I think)

Hurri360 said:
I don’t know how much a warranty on a 458 will cost.
About the same as the Mclaren, iirc the 458 was a touch more but not significant.

As an aside, I'm not sure having an independent is going to change much. There are indepedents already, however parts pricing continues to be a problem given the relatively low volume and your main saving becomes on labour rate and are you willing to chuck the warranty for that saving? Perhaps the independents can sort out the gearbox much more easily as it's usually just a seal leak. However what if you have a driveshaft seal leak or something that requires an engine out job or worse the engine blows a piston? the asymmetry of outcomes with regards to potential costs for me at least means running a car like the 12c (or any other highly electronically complex car of that type) isn't a sensible choice.

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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GT Two said:
I have had a 12c for 18 months and 15k miles. The car has never let me down.

McLaren have been great and I have spent more money on a previous F430 fixing rattles, exhaust, manifold and F1 niggles than I have spent on the warranty on my McLaren.

I nearly moved back to a Huracan but it just feels a bit lacking in finesse in comparison. Lovely looking but it can't compete with the performance and turn in of the McLaren.

The car above looks a bargain but I wouldn't own any of these cars without a warranty.
Huracan Performante has plenty of finesse amongst other things. Best supercar in the world according to Clarkson

GT Two

3,070 posts

192 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
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RamboLambo said:
Huracan Performante has plenty of finesse amongst other things. Best supercar in the world according to Clarkson
I know but slightly different price point which adds credibility to the 12c at this cost!

Cockernee

3,059 posts

160 months

Thursday 25th January 2018
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Very low spec, can't see one option ticked except the wheels.

I certainly would not sell mine under 100K, so looks like I won't be selling biggrin

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

170 months

Thursday 25th January 2018
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Cockernee said:
Very low spec, can't see one option ticked except the wheels.

I certainly would not sell mine under 100K, so looks like I won't be selling biggrin
Basic car priced accordingly but at the end of the day its still a McLaren with mental performance for very little money. It will be sold in no time as the cheaper lower spec cars are easier to move on

GT Two

3,070 posts

192 months

Thursday 25th January 2018
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RamboLambo said:
Cockernee said:
Very low spec, can't see one option ticked except the wheels.

I certainly would not sell mine under 100K, so looks like I won't be selling biggrin
Basic car priced accordingly but at the end of the day its still a McLaren with mental performance for very little money. It will be sold in no time as the cheaper lower spec cars are easier to move on
Agreed.

Have just put mine on SOR, will be up on PH in a few days if not sold already.

Higher spec and McLaren Orange.

Cant even consider anything else but a McLaren.