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I’ve been thinking about a 570GT. My McLaren itch has been growing and, as I didn’t make the list for a 991.2 GT3 or RS, it’s only getting itchier.
I went for a test drive the other day. It was raining so I learnt little dynamically, but got some feel for the car, it’s tractability, build quality, liveability etc. All seems good so far. Whilst there I came face to face with a few 720s. I’d seen the pics and not felt the love, but in the metal it was very impressive; the aggressive lines worked well, it has real presence. Dare I say it made the 570 look a little reserved. I haven’t yet driven a 720, but will find a chance in the next few weeks.
My questions to the PH gurus are... what’s the real life difference between a 570 and a 720? Has anyone gone from one to the other and what are your reflections? Is that added performance just unusable outside 10/10th on a race track? Are there any weird practical issues around boot size or ground clearance that matter day to day?
I do realise there is a gap in price point between a lightly used 570 at £130k and an almost new 720 at £230k and I can see the depreciation hit on the 720 will be far larger, but aside from price/depreciation...
Thanks in advance for all thoughts.
I went for a test drive the other day. It was raining so I learnt little dynamically, but got some feel for the car, it’s tractability, build quality, liveability etc. All seems good so far. Whilst there I came face to face with a few 720s. I’d seen the pics and not felt the love, but in the metal it was very impressive; the aggressive lines worked well, it has real presence. Dare I say it made the 570 look a little reserved. I haven’t yet driven a 720, but will find a chance in the next few weeks.
My questions to the PH gurus are... what’s the real life difference between a 570 and a 720? Has anyone gone from one to the other and what are your reflections? Is that added performance just unusable outside 10/10th on a race track? Are there any weird practical issues around boot size or ground clearance that matter day to day?
I do realise there is a gap in price point between a lightly used 570 at £130k and an almost new 720 at £230k and I can see the depreciation hit on the 720 will be far larger, but aside from price/depreciation...
Thanks in advance for all thoughts.
If you can afford the extra £100k then of course the 720s will be the better, quicker car by a fair distance.
But the 570s isn't slow by any means whatsoever..........there won't be many things you'll come across on the roads that will leave you standing........naturally, barely anything at all will leave you behind in the 720!
For me, it comes back to the £100k difference and how big a deal that is for you......
But the 570s isn't slow by any means whatsoever..........there won't be many things you'll come across on the roads that will leave you standing........naturally, barely anything at all will leave you behind in the 720!
For me, it comes back to the £100k difference and how big a deal that is for you......
£100k difference or 40% is massive and clearly there is a big difference in the 2 cars but unless £100k is small change to you surely these 2 cars are not in direct competition as a buying proposition at this stage
Sports series v super series = SUPER series is always the winner if you can come up with the extra £100k outlay and added depreciation
Sensible financial decision is a used 570S which has depreciated or even a 650S that's even further down the depreciation curve, not so radical in the looks department and ballistically quick with both the hydraulic suspension and active aero
My money would go on a 650S spider TBH
Sports series v super series = SUPER series is always the winner if you can come up with the extra £100k outlay and added depreciation
Sensible financial decision is a used 570S which has depreciated or even a 650S that's even further down the depreciation curve, not so radical in the looks department and ballistically quick with both the hydraulic suspension and active aero
My money would go on a 650S spider TBH
Thanks both. I do see the price and depreciation point. The 100k isn’t “gone”, it’s just that rather less of it will come back to me at the time I sell. For instance, I might lose 40 on the 570 over four years, but that number could be 80+ on the 720.
What I’m after is the gap between them in real life ownership experience. As an example, one colleague was advised by a dealer that to go for a 570 (spider) as the superior performance of the 720 was described as only accessible on track. Perhaps the extra width of a 720 makes it painful to drive on U.K roads or park anywhere? Are there niggles with the new 720 that are now ironed out in the 570? Does the extra buzz from the 720 make it feel so much more special? Those sorts of things or similar that someone who’s spent quite some time with them would know.
Keep them coming all - thanks.
What I’m after is the gap between them in real life ownership experience. As an example, one colleague was advised by a dealer that to go for a 570 (spider) as the superior performance of the 720 was described as only accessible on track. Perhaps the extra width of a 720 makes it painful to drive on U.K roads or park anywhere? Are there niggles with the new 720 that are now ironed out in the 570? Does the extra buzz from the 720 make it feel so much more special? Those sorts of things or similar that someone who’s spent quite some time with them would know.
Keep them coming all - thanks.
I’ve been on a few sprinted drives in both 650s and 570s - and on the road the performance (at least to me) is almost indistinguishable.
What the super series has over the sports series - is active aero and suspension.
And for these alone - the difference is worth it (IMHO).
On the road most drivers are miles away from being able to exploit all the performance - I’ve driven mine on the IOM a few times and even on the unrestricted mountain road, I never wanted for more performance.
The right answer might be a used 720s at £200k or 650s spider (roof off is joy with carbon tubbed mclarens) at £140k.
I’m fighting the same urge - to upgrade my 650s to a 720s - been around a few now and they really look great in the flesh - but I think i’ll miss the roof off action.
What the super series has over the sports series - is active aero and suspension.
And for these alone - the difference is worth it (IMHO).
On the road most drivers are miles away from being able to exploit all the performance - I’ve driven mine on the IOM a few times and even on the unrestricted mountain road, I never wanted for more performance.
The right answer might be a used 720s at £200k or 650s spider (roof off is joy with carbon tubbed mclarens) at £140k.
I’m fighting the same urge - to upgrade my 650s to a 720s - been around a few now and they really look great in the flesh - but I think i’ll miss the roof off action.
I've driven both and bought the 720S.
The 570 is a very quick car and for the money, is a brilliant buy.
I'm not a fan of the 570 interior... it's not horrible, but the 720S feels like a massive step up where the 570 feels a little tacky.
Found myself having to squeeze in and out of the 570 at weird angles where the 720 is easy to get in and out... making it easier to live with.
I find the handling of the 720 to be a big step up... noticeably more front-end bite and improved cornering ability - noticeable on the road, not just the track... but even more so on the track.
The 570 is a fast car... but the 720 has hyperdrive. Although it's harder to put the power down in the 720... you have to be more careful with it as it will bite you if you're not careful... I didn't get that feeling in the 570.
But I was looking for a challenge... something to really raise my adrenaline levels and give me a good challenge... it's going to be a while til i'm comfortable turning the traction control fully off... and that's rare for me.
If you put try to put the power down in a straight line with cold tyres in the dry even in dynamic traction mode... it will try to do a pirouette.
It depends on your skill level... if you're an OK driver with OK reactions... then get the 570 to learn it and build up to the 720. If you've done lots of track days or other things and you've got good reactions - then go 720... or just go 720 and drive it like a granny
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The 570 is a really good supercar... the 720 is bordering on hypercar territory.
The 570 is a very quick car and for the money, is a brilliant buy.
I'm not a fan of the 570 interior... it's not horrible, but the 720S feels like a massive step up where the 570 feels a little tacky.
Found myself having to squeeze in and out of the 570 at weird angles where the 720 is easy to get in and out... making it easier to live with.
I find the handling of the 720 to be a big step up... noticeably more front-end bite and improved cornering ability - noticeable on the road, not just the track... but even more so on the track.
The 570 is a fast car... but the 720 has hyperdrive. Although it's harder to put the power down in the 720... you have to be more careful with it as it will bite you if you're not careful... I didn't get that feeling in the 570.
But I was looking for a challenge... something to really raise my adrenaline levels and give me a good challenge... it's going to be a while til i'm comfortable turning the traction control fully off... and that's rare for me.
If you put try to put the power down in a straight line with cold tyres in the dry even in dynamic traction mode... it will try to do a pirouette.
It depends on your skill level... if you're an OK driver with OK reactions... then get the 570 to learn it and build up to the 720. If you've done lots of track days or other things and you've got good reactions - then go 720... or just go 720 and drive it like a granny
hahaThe 570 is a really good supercar... the 720 is bordering on hypercar territory.
I first saw the 720 at the Frankfurt show last year whilst I was still hopeful of a GT2RS and spent most of the time there attempting to schmooze Porsche employees but the sight of the white 720S outside nearly knocked me off my feet the thing was straight alien spaceship it really opened my eyes to Mclaren.
After being ditched by Porsche I bought a 570S to see how I liked the brand and yes I liked it the car drove incredibly I loved all aspects apart from I felt the car had a whiff of Lotus about it which I didn't particularly like. There is no doubt the the 570 is a superb car, I had a 991.2 turbo S and the 570 made it feel like an Audi, as has been said it is plenty fast enough for most roads and really all you need. The 720S is however the top of the range and is slightly "better" in all departments and of course those looks !
BTW the 720 is 1196mm wide and the 570 is 1202mm so on paper the 720 is narrower !
After being ditched by Porsche I bought a 570S to see how I liked the brand and yes I liked it the car drove incredibly I loved all aspects apart from I felt the car had a whiff of Lotus about it which I didn't particularly like. There is no doubt the the 570 is a superb car, I had a 991.2 turbo S and the 570 made it feel like an Audi, as has been said it is plenty fast enough for most roads and really all you need. The 720S is however the top of the range and is slightly "better" in all departments and of course those looks !
BTW the 720 is 1196mm wide and the 570 is 1202mm so on paper the 720 is narrower !
I absolutely love the 720, but I think I'll buck the trend and say 570+change to buy something else.
The looks of both cars are great and totally subjective, the extra performance must almost be unusable on the road. I'm not sure where or when I'd need any extra power over the 540 tbh.
I'd love a shot in a 720 though
The looks of both cars are great and totally subjective, the extra performance must almost be unusable on the road. I'm not sure where or when I'd need any extra power over the 540 tbh.
I'd love a shot in a 720 though
Some very helpful feedback there - thanks all. I need to get out and drive one now to compare to the 570. The width is interesting - the salesman said the 720 was wider and it looked a bit wider so I took it as given.
I'm erring towards the "why get the top car in the [accessible] pecking order", at least in my initial thinking. I'll likely be chopping in two cars with a view getting this one to replace them - it's almost a straight swap. The intention is to drive it a little more than I drive each of those, but realistically still only a couple of thousand miles a year. I'm also quite a few cars into my car owning life now, heading towards 50 years old and thinking that if I'm going to have something a bit nutty then now might be a good time.
I'm erring towards the "why get the top car in the [accessible] pecking order", at least in my initial thinking. I'll likely be chopping in two cars with a view getting this one to replace them - it's almost a straight swap. The intention is to drive it a little more than I drive each of those, but realistically still only a couple of thousand miles a year. I'm also quite a few cars into my car owning life now, heading towards 50 years old and thinking that if I'm going to have something a bit nutty then now might be a good time.
On my second 570S now latest one is a Spider, the performance on the rural roads is totally nuts, for about six months of the year the rear tyres have a job of containing the power and torque put through them.
On rural roads its very easy to see 130 + Leptons an hour in a few eye blinks the thing is absolutely ballistic, but the main fun is the handling the front end of the car is amazing it does not matter what your approach speed is she just goes around and with the TC in its sports setting the rear comes around just fine.
The problem though really is other road users just don't see you either de materialising behind them or expect you to pass so quickly, all of a sudden you have showered them with road dust as you disappear off into the distance.
The one area of concern for me with the 570 is how nervous it can feel above 110 Leptons an hour on uneven road surfaces she does move about you just have to get use to it.
I would love a go in a 720S I would think that would be absolutely mental, happily wheel spinning away in 1st 2nd and 3rd & 4th gears what a car, if I had the choice it would be the 720 but the 570 never feels underpowered on the roads, the main reason apart from power is the much nicer cabin that the 720 has.
Anyway rabbited on long enough fantastic problem to have enjoy on whatever you decide.
PS live in Dorset so we have very few dual carriageways and no Motorway.
On rural roads its very easy to see 130 + Leptons an hour in a few eye blinks the thing is absolutely ballistic, but the main fun is the handling the front end of the car is amazing it does not matter what your approach speed is she just goes around and with the TC in its sports setting the rear comes around just fine.
The problem though really is other road users just don't see you either de materialising behind them or expect you to pass so quickly, all of a sudden you have showered them with road dust as you disappear off into the distance.
The one area of concern for me with the 570 is how nervous it can feel above 110 Leptons an hour on uneven road surfaces she does move about you just have to get use to it.
I would love a go in a 720S I would think that would be absolutely mental, happily wheel spinning away in 1st 2nd and 3rd & 4th gears what a car, if I had the choice it would be the 720 but the 570 never feels underpowered on the roads, the main reason apart from power is the much nicer cabin that the 720 has.
Anyway rabbited on long enough fantastic problem to have enjoy on whatever you decide.
PS live in Dorset so we have very few dual carriageways and no Motorway.
bompey said:
You might want to double check those measurements,
Err, I've tried and get the following.720S quoted widely and also in Autobild Supertest 1930mm which seems to be without mirrors.
570S quoted as 2095mm with mirrors and mirrors take 50mm so 2045 without mirrors.
Is this wrong, can you share some other info/sources ?
TB993tt said:
bompey said:
You might want to double check those measurements,
Err, I've tried and get the following.720S quoted widely and also in Autobild Supertest 1930mm which seems to be without mirrors.
570S quoted as 2095mm with mirrors and mirrors take 50mm so 2045 without mirrors.
Is this wrong, can you share some other info/sources ?
https://www.blackartgraphics.com/collections/mclar...
tyrrell said:
On my second 570S now latest one is a Spider, the performance on the rural roads is totally nuts, for about six months of the year the rear tyres have a job of containing the power and torque put through them.
On rural roads its very easy to see 130 + Leptons an hour in a few eye blinks the thing is absolutely ballistic, but the main fun is the handling the front end of the car is amazing it does not matter what your approach speed is she just goes around and with the TC in its sports setting the rear comes around just fine.
The problem though really is other road users just don't see you either de materialising behind them or expect you to pass so quickly, all of a sudden you have showered them with road dust as you disappear off into the distance.
The one area of concern for me with the 570 is how nervous it can feel above 110 Leptons an hour on uneven road surfaces she does move about you just have to get use to it.
I would love a go in a 720S I would think that would be absolutely mental, happily wheel spinning away in 1st 2nd and 3rd & 4th gears what a car, if I had the choice it would be the 720 but the 570 never feels underpowered on the roads, the main reason apart from power is the much nicer cabin that the 720 has.
Anyway rabbited on long enough fantastic problem to have enjoy on whatever you decide.
PS live in Dorset so we have very few dual carriageways and no Motorway.
And 5th... I've had the wheels spinning up in 5th... without tryingOn rural roads its very easy to see 130 + Leptons an hour in a few eye blinks the thing is absolutely ballistic, but the main fun is the handling the front end of the car is amazing it does not matter what your approach speed is she just goes around and with the TC in its sports setting the rear comes around just fine.
The problem though really is other road users just don't see you either de materialising behind them or expect you to pass so quickly, all of a sudden you have showered them with road dust as you disappear off into the distance.
The one area of concern for me with the 570 is how nervous it can feel above 110 Leptons an hour on uneven road surfaces she does move about you just have to get use to it.
I would love a go in a 720S I would think that would be absolutely mental, happily wheel spinning away in 1st 2nd and 3rd & 4th gears what a car, if I had the choice it would be the 720 but the 570 never feels underpowered on the roads, the main reason apart from power is the much nicer cabin that the 720 has.
Anyway rabbited on long enough fantastic problem to have enjoy on whatever you decide.
PS live in Dorset so we have very few dual carriageways and no Motorway.
TB993tt said:
Err, I've tried and get the following.
720S quoted widely and also in Autobild Supertest 1930mm which seems to be without mirrors.
570S quoted as 2095mm with mirrors and mirrors take 50mm so 2045 without mirrors.
Is this wrong, can you share some other info/sources ?
You originally said 'BTW the 720 is 1196mm wide and the 570 is 1202mm so on paper the 720 is narrower !' which is why your measurements were challenged, simply typo 720S quoted widely and also in Autobild Supertest 1930mm which seems to be without mirrors.
570S quoted as 2095mm with mirrors and mirrors take 50mm so 2045 without mirrors.
Is this wrong, can you share some other info/sources ?
nn7man said:
The 720S is 1930mm as is the 570S. The mirrors take up quite a bit more than 50mm. Check out this link:
https://www.blackartgraphics.com/collections/mclar...
If this source is correct and the others are wrong then the cars are the same width before mirrors are taken into account so for driving experience they don't take up any more space. If one takes into account the wider 720S mirrors then the 720S is 66mm wider at 2161mm which is quite a bit I guess particularly if one is trying to fit it in a garage !https://www.blackartgraphics.com/collections/mclar...
The Surveyor said:
You originally said 'BTW the 720 is 1196mm wide and the 570 is 1202mm so on paper the 720 is narrower !' which is why your measurements were challenged, simply typo
You're right I was reading the google numbers wrongly (I was quoting the heights 
) but having taken another look the google numbers (by googling "720S/570S dimensions") still have 720S at 1930mm and 570S at 2095mm which I think is where my assertion came from as I did google this some months back and was surprised at the numbers and have now been properly educated on this topic as long as the new reference is correct 
Having driven both I would say that, ignoring costs, if you want a Coupe then get the 720. If you like open top motoring then get a 570 Spider.
The 720 performance is other-worldly but will also quite happily let you drive it in a very relaxed way.
The 570 Spider is incredibly fast but has the advantage of giving you wind-in-the-hair enjoyment whenever you want it.
The 720 performance is other-worldly but will also quite happily let you drive it in a very relaxed way.
The 570 Spider is incredibly fast but has the advantage of giving you wind-in-the-hair enjoyment whenever you want it.
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