Current real world running costs? 12C
Discussion
RamboLambo said:
Lol. The number goes up every time you tell the story.
Won't be long before there are more new gearboxes and engines than actual cars produced !
Warning Italian propaganda brigade OR ferrari salesman
Believe what you will. Being accused of propaganda or being a car salesman by you is hilarious though.Won't be long before there are more new gearboxes and engines than actual cars produced !
Warning Italian propaganda brigade OR ferrari salesman
I think if you have 100k, you can buy one for 80k and save the 20k as a slush fund if you are not taking out the waranty.
Mclaren will not release any paint codes/ecu codes to anyone except main dealers so you are stuck to the main dealer network.
I looked in to buying one, and including the waranty was budgeting 10k a year to run and therefore I didn't go for it.
Mclaren will not release any paint codes/ecu codes to anyone except main dealers so you are stuck to the main dealer network.
I looked in to buying one, and including the waranty was budgeting 10k a year to run and therefore I didn't go for it.
£10k a year loooooool!!
I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
Sarnie said:
£10k a year loooooool!!
I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
£3.5k a year for servicing, £5k a year for warranty, and £1.5k a year for consumables isn't too far fetched. I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
Obviously if you don't have the warranty then that half. which is what I recommended for him to do.
cowboyengineer said:
£3.5k a year for servicing, £5k a year for warranty, and £1.5k a year for consumables isn't too far fetched.
Obviously if you don't have the warranty then that half. which is what I recommended for him to do.
5k for a yearly service & consumables!? I paid £1,192 for a 4th year service & nowt else was consumed!Obviously if you don't have the warranty then that half. which is what I recommended for him to do.
Sarnie said:
I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
Drivel? Buy the right car and you'd be fine? There's too much of 'my car was ok so everyone else who says otherwise is lying' with Mclaren owners I have tended to find. Note - again, I am not at all saying every car is a ticking time bomb but to blithely dismiss anything else as 'drivel' is actually drivel. One can weigh up the odds about the warranty which after all is insurance and the insurance provider is in it to make money but the issue is big ticket claims would be very unpleasant to experience as an individual.P.S. My car ran perfectly for 5.5 years but over the next 14 months, I think the total cost of warranty work could have paid for 10 years and more of warranty. I never considered not renewing even before I had issues.
Sarnie said:
£10k a year loooooool!!
I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
How does one know what the "right" car is ? Yes you can have it inspected, but that does't mean something won't go wrong further down the line. Just because yours hasn't gone wrong, it doesn't mean others haven't and calling such a statement drivel is, well, drivel.I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
Jules360 said:
Sarnie said:
£10k a year loooooool!!
I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
How does one know what the "right" car is ? Yes you can have it inspected, but that does't mean something won't go wrong further down the line. Just because yours hasn't gone wrong, it doesn't mean others haven't and calling such a statement drivel is, well, drivel.I've had a 12c and now a 570s..............neither have required warranty work at all........don't believe the drivel..........buy the right car and you'll be fine.
PS: I won't be renewing my warranty, it's been perfect since day one. Got another two years for that to change
ferdi p said:
5k for a yearly service & consumables!? I paid £1,192 for a 4th year service & nowt else was consumed!
How many miles did you do in that last year to have no consumables?The earlier post about £3.5k service is obviously wrong but tyres and brakes are not exactly cheap and being a very high powered car it can go through them quite quickly. Add the odd intermediate oil change after some trackdays, brake fluid/pads then rotors once every 2 years, who knows about tyres, while it isn't 10k, there isn't going to be that much change from it either after the £5k per annum warranty. Assuming the car is being driven properly that is.
isaldiri said:
How many miles did you do in that last year to have no consumables?
The earlier post about £3.5k service is obviously wrong but tyres and brakes are not exactly cheap and being a very high powered car it can go through them quite quickly. Add the odd intermediate oil change after some trackdays, brake fluid/pads then rotors once every 2 years, who knows about tyres, while it isn't 10k, there isn't going to be that much change from it either after the £5k per annum warranty. Assuming the car is being driven properly that is.
Just saying what my friend spent. he did 20000 miles in his, and it averaged him 5k a year, once you add 5k warranty to it then yes, it's 10k a year. The earlier post about £3.5k service is obviously wrong but tyres and brakes are not exactly cheap and being a very high powered car it can go through them quite quickly. Add the odd intermediate oil change after some trackdays, brake fluid/pads then rotors once every 2 years, who knows about tyres, while it isn't 10k, there isn't going to be that much change from it either after the £5k per annum warranty. Assuming the car is being driven properly that is.
I did 20000 miles in my gt3, and it costs £2000 in servicing and 1 set of tires just as I sold it.
Also for a car that cost £130000 (£220000 new) I think 4% running costs a year are perfectly acceptable.
but when it's an £80000 car you have 5k a year to sort out maintenance and consumables, and then 5k a year for warranty, unless you have a slush fund.
isaldiri said:
How many miles did you do in that last year to have no consumables?
The earlier post about £3.5k service is obviously wrong but tyres and brakes are not exactly cheap and being a very high powered car it can go through them quite quickly. Add the odd intermediate oil change after some trackdays, brake fluid/pads then rotors once every 2 years, who knows about tyres, while it isn't 10k, there isn't going to be that much change from it either after the £5k per annum warranty. Assuming the car is being driven properly that is.
I did 5500 miles in the 12c in that year, sod all went wrong & no consumables needed at all.The earlier post about £3.5k service is obviously wrong but tyres and brakes are not exactly cheap and being a very high powered car it can go through them quite quickly. Add the odd intermediate oil change after some trackdays, brake fluid/pads then rotors once every 2 years, who knows about tyres, while it isn't 10k, there isn't going to be that much change from it either after the £5k per annum warranty. Assuming the car is being driven properly that is.
My Alfa QV has just had rear tyres & pads after 5k miles & 2 warranty claims.
Whilst I agree that the odd car is a lemon & can cost the owner big time, it's not exclusive to Mclaren.
I had a friend trade a 2011 458 & the dealer said it needed 18k to get mechanically sound & showroom ready!
Plenty of horror stories with other car brands too!
Truth is that in percentage terms, there's no more risk of buying a ropey Mclaren than any other supercar brand.
ferdi p said:
I did 5500 miles in the 12c in that year, sod all went wrong & no consumables needed at all.
My Alfa QV has just had rear tyres & pads after 5k miles & 2 warranty claims.
Whilst I agree that the odd car is a lemon & can cost the owner big time, it's not exclusive to Mclaren.
I had a friend trade a 2011 458 & the dealer said it needed 18k to get mechanically sound & showroom ready!
Plenty of horror stories with other car brands too!
Truth is that in percentage terms, there's no more risk of buying a ropey Mclaren than any other supercar brand.
It's not an issue of the odd lemon or ropey car imo. The lemons are the ones with electrical faults and/or general problems that keep on coming up,and yes they can happen to any car but those aren't just the cases I'm thinking of with regards to my posts. My Alfa QV has just had rear tyres & pads after 5k miles & 2 warranty claims.
Whilst I agree that the odd car is a lemon & can cost the owner big time, it's not exclusive to Mclaren.
I had a friend trade a 2011 458 & the dealer said it needed 18k to get mechanically sound & showroom ready!
Plenty of horror stories with other car brands too!
Truth is that in percentage terms, there's no more risk of buying a ropey Mclaren than any other supercar brand.
I'm just not as convinced as you are about the general reliability and longevity of component parts that Mclaren use. As I said, my car was absolutely faultless for almost 6 years and 33k miles. Until it wasn't. A friend had his gearbox dump a heap of oil on the garage only after 3 years. Based on my personal experience and from friends who have had the cars, I would say the warranty is a required running cost of the car. I'd say that for something like a 458 btw so it's not just Mclaren that I think that of.
isaldiri said:
It's not an issue of the odd lemon or ropey car imo. The lemons are the ones with electrical faults and/or general problems that keep on coming up,and yes they can happen to any car but those aren't just the cases I'm thinking of with regards to my posts.
I'm just not as convinced as you are about the general reliability and longevity of component parts that Mclaren use. As I said, my car was absolutely faultless for almost 6 years and 33k miles. Until it wasn't. A friend had his gearbox dump a heap of oil on the garage only after 3 years. Based on my personal experience and from friends who have had the cars, I would say the warranty is a required running cost of the car. I'd say that for something like a 458 btw so it's not just Mclaren that I think that of.
My Ferrari 430 had to have ball joints & manifolds replaced (& lots more!) at 5yrs old & only 14k miles.I'm just not as convinced as you are about the general reliability and longevity of component parts that Mclaren use. As I said, my car was absolutely faultless for almost 6 years and 33k miles. Until it wasn't. A friend had his gearbox dump a heap of oil on the garage only after 3 years. Based on my personal experience and from friends who have had the cars, I would say the warranty is a required running cost of the car. I'd say that for something like a 458 btw so it's not just Mclaren that I think that of.
My 997 needed a new engine at 6yrs old & 27k miles.
Numerous other sports/super cars often need extensive & expensive maintenance at 4/5/6yrs old. Why should a Mclaren be any different?
I believe that the risk/costs of owning a Mclaren are no different to owning any of the other equivalently priced super/sports cars.
ferdi p said:
My Ferrari 430 had to have ball joints & manifolds replaced (& lots more!) at 5yrs old & only 14k miles.
My 997 needed a new engine at 6yrs old & 27k miles.
Numerous other sports/super cars often need extensive & expensive maintenance at 4/5/6yrs old. Why should a Mclaren be any different?
I believe that the risk/costs of owning a Mclaren are no different to owning any of the other equivalently priced super/sports cars.
In fact, £10k worth of work to a car that was £200k new, is the same as a £1500 bill for a £30k car.My 997 needed a new engine at 6yrs old & 27k miles.
Numerous other sports/super cars often need extensive & expensive maintenance at 4/5/6yrs old. Why should a Mclaren be any different?
I believe that the risk/costs of owning a Mclaren are no different to owning any of the other equivalently priced super/sports cars.
The problem I guess is when you have someone who has scraped into the £200k car by buying a old high milage one for whom £10k is more of a problem to find down the sofa
ChrisW. said:
I would always go for the warranty and fully expect that the car would then cost £10k per year to own.
The art is surely in using the car so much that the £10k makes sense ...
A well chosen £80k 12C shouldn't have so much further to fall ??
Genuine question;The art is surely in using the car so much that the £10k makes sense ...
A well chosen £80k 12C shouldn't have so much further to fall ??
With the car under warranty & a service costing £1500 max, are you saying that the consumables will come to 3.5k pa?
Even doing 10k miles a year I just can't see brakes, tyres & other bits coming to 3.5k a year, surely not every year!?
I reckon the only cost over owning an equivalent Ferrari/Lambo would be the higher warranty cost. All other running costs would be v similar.
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