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cypriot said:
My following comment is merely a conversation starter:
If mclaren had done everything the exact same way from the beginning, but instead of a turbo charged engine, it had some kind of naturally aspirated engine, would the values of the cars hold better?
I am just wondering if one of the issues Mclarens have is that the cars don't have a "supercar" engine - yes, I know they are blindingly fast, but not particularly exciting engines. This means that mclarens become numbers cars in peoples eyes, hence why when a new model comes out, there is nothing to draw someone to the older model. Look at the values of lambos? Even very early gallardos are similar prices to a 12C. And I feel that that is because due to the engine, it is always going to be a special thing.
Just wondering what other peoples thoughts are.
Seems quite a few Lambo and Ferrari owners gravitated towards Mclaren because of the supercar looks and they expect and want a loud brash look at me experience for the 3000 miles a year they put on their investment.If mclaren had done everything the exact same way from the beginning, but instead of a turbo charged engine, it had some kind of naturally aspirated engine, would the values of the cars hold better?
I am just wondering if one of the issues Mclarens have is that the cars don't have a "supercar" engine - yes, I know they are blindingly fast, but not particularly exciting engines. This means that mclarens become numbers cars in peoples eyes, hence why when a new model comes out, there is nothing to draw someone to the older model. Look at the values of lambos? Even very early gallardos are similar prices to a 12C. And I feel that that is because due to the engine, it is always going to be a special thing.
Just wondering what other peoples thoughts are.
Unfortunately for these people Mclarens depreciate old skool style and are really trying to emulate Porsche in terms of useability which includes relative quietness to go with the magic carpet ride.
I think the engines are mega, a proper race derived engine honed and developed for 8 odd years now (Mezger anyone ?) which just gets better and better, the thing vibrates pleasantly at idle and revs to 8500 and the way it works with the auto box, the change from second to third at full chat in track mode is a thing of wonder..... and of course it is much faster than anything else
I Am a Mac fan firstly although haven’t bought. Noise was number 1 factor for me and it’s good with an exhaust but not good enough in my view.
Then there is the shoutyness of having an orange mac versus a black 911.
I think a big problem is market perception of reliability. I’ve no idea if they are that much worse than Ferrari and lambo but the perception is there nevertheless which also puts me off.
Mac haven’t helped themselves by ‘ not ‘buying people’s cars back as stock and we have all read some owners being without a car for 3 months waiting for repairs to be done under warranty. Now that would piss me off !
then producing so many new models so quickly.
Then there is the shoutyness of having an orange mac versus a black 911.
I think a big problem is market perception of reliability. I’ve no idea if they are that much worse than Ferrari and lambo but the perception is there nevertheless which also puts me off.
Mac haven’t helped themselves by ‘ not ‘buying people’s cars back as stock and we have all read some owners being without a car for 3 months waiting for repairs to be done under warranty. Now that would piss me off !
then producing so many new models so quickly.
A couple of recent comments here seem to confirm the growing stereotype - McLaren are for drivers (who love the performance and don’t particularly care about the perceived exotic nature of the motor, etc.), the Italians are for poseurs (noise, brand image etc.).
And, of course, you can also get a Mac in black;)
And, of course, you can also get a Mac in black;)
Edited by 12pack on Thursday 24th January 12:55
f1ten said:
I Am a Mac fan firstly although haven’t bought. Noise was number 1 factor for me and it’s good with an exhaust but not good enough in my view.
Then there is the shoutyness of having an orange mac versus a black 911.
I think a big problem is market perception of reliability. I’ve no idea if they are that much worse than Ferrari and lambo but the perception is there nevertheless which also puts me off.
Mac haven’t helped themselves by ‘ not ‘buying people’s cars back as stock and we have all read some owners being without a car for 3 months waiting for repairs to be done under warranty. Now that would piss me off !
then producing so many new models so quickly.
Then there is the shoutyness of having an orange mac versus a black 911.
I think a big problem is market perception of reliability. I’ve no idea if they are that much worse than Ferrari and lambo but the perception is there nevertheless which also puts me off.
Mac haven’t helped themselves by ‘ not ‘buying people’s cars back as stock and we have all read some owners being without a car for 3 months waiting for repairs to be done under warranty. Now that would piss me off !
then producing so many new models so quickly.
Also, the fact that McLaren seem against any independent garages can only hurt residuals. All seems a bit short sighted.12pack said:
A couple of recent comments here seem to confirm the growing stereotype - McLaren are for drivers (who love the performance and don’t particularly care about the perceived exotic nature of the motor, etc.), the Italians are for poseurs (noise, brand image etc.).
And, of course, you can also get a Mac in black;)
Ohh look, a mac with the door up having a pic taken. Poseur And, of course, you can also get a Mac in black;)
Edited by 12pack on Thursday 24th January 12:55
br d said:
ferdi p said:
Had a Gallardo, 360, 430, 911GT3 & numerous other 'great sounding' cars...
I must be odd as I find the 650 (with sports exhaust) just as exciting/noisy/fun as any of them!!
I'll disagree. I had an LP560 and a 430 also and while the 650S with Sports Exhaust is easily as exciting and as much fun as those two (if not more) it's a mile behind aurally.I must be odd as I find the 650 (with sports exhaust) just as exciting/noisy/fun as any of them!!
The 430 was the worst of the lot in my opinion, I never got used to the 'post-flap-opening' sound at 3k revs, my Lab's farts sound similar
ferdi p said:
All different I suppose
The 430 was the worst of the lot in my opinion, I never got used to the 'post-flap-opening' sound at 3k revs, my Lab's farts sound similar
Yep, difference is good. The 430 was the worst of the lot in my opinion, I never got used to the 'post-flap-opening' sound at 3k revs, my Lab's farts sound similar
I loved the sound of my 430! The Lambo howl is special but I thought the Ferrari edged it.
My 650 was pretty bland sounding in comparison to both but I hardly noticed because I was hanging on for dear life!
ferdi p said:
cypriot said:
My following comment is merely a conversation starter:
If mclaren had done everything the exact same way from the beginning, but instead of a turbo charged engine, it had some kind of naturally aspirated engine, would the values of the cars hold better?
I am just wondering if one of the issues Mclarens have is that the cars don't have a "supercar" engine - yes, I know they are blindingly fast, but not particularly exciting engines. This means that mclarens become numbers cars in peoples eyes, hence why when a new model comes out, there is nothing to draw someone to the older model. Look at the values of lambos? Even very early gallardos are similar prices to a 12C. And I feel that that is because due to the engine, it is always going to be a special thing.
Just wondering what other peoples thoughts are.
Had a Gallardo, 360, 430, 911GT3 & numerous other 'great sounding' cars...If mclaren had done everything the exact same way from the beginning, but instead of a turbo charged engine, it had some kind of naturally aspirated engine, would the values of the cars hold better?
I am just wondering if one of the issues Mclarens have is that the cars don't have a "supercar" engine - yes, I know they are blindingly fast, but not particularly exciting engines. This means that mclarens become numbers cars in peoples eyes, hence why when a new model comes out, there is nothing to draw someone to the older model. Look at the values of lambos? Even very early gallardos are similar prices to a 12C. And I feel that that is because due to the engine, it is always going to be a special thing.
Just wondering what other peoples thoughts are.
I must be odd as I find the 650 (with sports exhaust) just as exciting/noisy/fun as any of them!!
Spider. Roof Up. Rear window down. Downright aggressive, classic V8 noise in your ear. Loud too (often get earache when window down and much hooning)!!! Highly underrated. Too many internet warriors who haven’t experienced it talking them down...
DashboardD said:
Too many internet warriors who haven’t experienced it talking them down...
100%This gets my goat "on the internet"!
If you are driving a Mondeo and a Mclaren comes flying past you in the outside lane, when the window drops...........it sounds like a super car for sure!!!
No one in a Mondeo ever says "Well that McLaren sounded crap..."
Does it sounds as amazing as Fezza/Lambo V8/V10? No..............that doesn't mean the McLaren sounds horrendous at all......but what it lacks ever so slightly in noise it makes up for in exclusivity on the road (almost no one knows what it is or they know it's a Mclaren but not the model), the doors and thats before you even get to the blistering pace and handling..........we could all drive round in 15 year old V10 Gallardo that sound amazing but given the F1 tech in a McLaren, the Gallardo would know which way any McLaren went in any sort of comparison.....
The 650S certainly does make a nice noise, its a V8 Supercar after all and I'm sure Mr Mondeo Man would appreciate it, however it is still no match for the other cars referenced here.
You?
Internet warriors my arse.
DashboardD said:
+1
Spider. Roof Up. Rear window down. Downright aggressive, classic V8 noise in your ear. Loud too (often get earache when window down and much hooning)!!! Highly underrated. Too many internet warriors who haven’t experienced it talking them down...
I drove 27,000 miles in a 430, then 14,000 in an LP560 followed by 16,000 in a 650S Spider.Spider. Roof Up. Rear window down. Downright aggressive, classic V8 noise in your ear. Loud too (often get earache when window down and much hooning)!!! Highly underrated. Too many internet warriors who haven’t experienced it talking them down...
You?
Internet warriors my arse.
DashboardD said:
Highly underrated. Too many internet warriors who haven’t experienced it talking them down...
The Mclaren potentially makes a lot of noise but it's not a particularly nice noise. I didn't care much for the 430's v8 but neither v8 has a patch on a v10. 35k miles on a 12c btw...Certainly the 650s sounds nicer inside(window cracked) than it does on the outside. And like my V12 Vantage also sounds great with that oscillating rumble when loping around town. Some of the others mentioned, just like my old 355, sound fantastic on the go, but then sound like farty 4cyls around town.
But the point is that for me, the Macs are much more exciting DRIVE than the others being mentioned.
But the point is that for me, the Macs are much more exciting DRIVE than the others being mentioned.
Edited by 12pack on Friday 25th January 07:51
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If ever anyone doubted that there is sod all interest in these cars, this is your proof....catastrophic depreciation in a matter of months. There is truly no demand for these cars.
If ever anyone doubted that there is sod all interest in these cars, this is your proof....catastrophic depreciation in a matter of months. There is truly no demand for these cars.
TP321 said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
If ever anyone doubted that there is sod all interest in these cars, this is your proof....catastrophic depreciation in a matter of months. There is truly no demand for these cars.
I don't think this proves there's no interest in these cars at all. It's a quiet time of the year, many other cars aren't shifting and its still desirable IMHO.If ever anyone doubted that there is sod all interest in these cars, this is your proof....catastrophic depreciation in a matter of months. There is truly no demand for these cars.
The pricing however needs to be appealing for people to buy them in an economic downturn thanks to many things including Brexit. Plenty being available probably doesn't help the price plus I heard McLaren were offering massive discounts on new 720s's (stopped now though?) further affecting the price.
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