Harris doesn’t rate senna
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I just think the point he's missing, on purpose to create discussion/controversy, is that he found the Senna understeers when pushed, but I'm pretty sure McLaren would set up the geometry however the customer would like which would include removing safe, predictable understeer for something a bit more focussed towards track work if required.
Ask them to set the car up how he would like it and then review it again.
Ask them to set the car up how he would like it and then review it again.
I know he's a skilled driver compared to the average man on the street, but maybe he's just not quite good enough to get the most out of the car. Afterall, it's not a 911 and it probably doesn't skid very well.
His comments are not much more than shallow soundbites, but I'd like to read his more detailed thoughts, if he has any. Here's what a professional racing driver thinks about the car:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives...
His comments are not much more than shallow soundbites, but I'd like to read his more detailed thoughts, if he has any. Here's what a professional racing driver thinks about the car:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives...
thegreenhell said:
I know he's a skilled driver compared to the average man on the street, but maybe he's just not quite good enough to get the most out of the car. Afterall, it's not a 911 and it probably doesn't skid very well.
His comments are not much more than shallow soundbites, but I'd like to read his more detailed thoughts, if he has any. Here's what a professional racing driver thinks about the car:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives...
not one mention of understeer in the article, perhaps he wasn't pushing the car as hard as Chris His comments are not much more than shallow soundbites, but I'd like to read his more detailed thoughts, if he has any. Here's what a professional racing driver thinks about the car:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives...
WCZ said:
not one mention of understeer in the article, perhaps he wasn't pushing the car as hard as Chris
On the other hand, perhaps with years of high downforce racing experience he was able to push the car hard enough to get proper heat into the tyres and make use of the aero to the point that the balance was right. b14 said:
WCZ said:
not one mention of understeer in the article, perhaps he wasn't pushing the car as hard as Chris
On the other hand, perhaps with years of high downforce racing experience he was able to push the car hard enough to get proper heat into the tyres and make use of the aero to the point that the balance was right. Coin Slot. said:
I just think the point he's missing, on purpose to create discussion/controversy, is that he found the Senna understeers when pushed, but I'm pretty sure McLaren would set up the geometry however the customer would like which would include removing safe, predictable understeer for something a bit more focussed towards track work if required.
Ask them to set the car up how he would like it and then review it again.
Depends who is buying the car: is it a formula 1 level driver who wants an exotic toy, or Joe Bloggs CEO who gets onto the track once every couple of months...Ask them to set the car up how he would like it and then review it again.
You'd like to think Mc have done their market research and are targeting the car according to who they see is most likely to be their clientele. Quite clearly they must think the latter option is most likely to buy it...
Harris was a bit barbed about Ferrari and then later Lambo a few tears back. Now it seems it is McLaren's turn.
I'm amazed at what McLaren engineers have been able to do with what is basically one cut of British Beef. They've created an entire sports car model line up with halo models people are fighting over for £750k to £1m all based on a 720 s. Without the sales of P1, P1 GTR, Senna etc Mcls business model would fold so really very clever the way they have been able to make customers feel like the ultimate series cars are special enough to fork out that sort of cash for them. Seems like Porsche following suit with 935 which I don't believe even has a proper dry sump race derived engine which is odd for a track only car? Think 935 engine is just an upgraded dfi unit from 911 turbo s. All sold out though! Incredible!!
I'm amazed at what McLaren engineers have been able to do with what is basically one cut of British Beef. They've created an entire sports car model line up with halo models people are fighting over for £750k to £1m all based on a 720 s. Without the sales of P1, P1 GTR, Senna etc Mcls business model would fold so really very clever the way they have been able to make customers feel like the ultimate series cars are special enough to fork out that sort of cash for them. Seems like Porsche following suit with 935 which I don't believe even has a proper dry sump race derived engine which is odd for a track only car? Think 935 engine is just an upgraded dfi unit from 911 turbo s. All sold out though! Incredible!!
PompeyReece said:
Judging by the amount of questions on here requesting opinions on car values, depreciation, handling, ownership etc. I think lots of people care what he and other people think. Add in a significant price tag, what he and other journos think is a heavy influence.
Decision however is the buyers.
Depreciation is largely affected by volume and finance, and dare I say it, if depreciation is a factor in one of these cars you’re not financially equipped to buy it. Of course there’s those that say “but I can invest my money else where financing it”.. yes yes of course if you delve in to the Peruvian powder market you should offset that interest quite easily. LolDecision however is the buyers.
Pretty sure though the man who buys a 750 - 1m gbp car won’t be fretting about depreciation.
m4tti said:
Depreciation is largely affected by volume and finance, and dare I say it, if depreciation is a factor in one of these cars you’re not financially equipped to buy it. Of course there’s those that say “but I can invest my money else where financing it”.. yes yes of course if you delve in to the Peruvian powder market you should offset that interest quite easily. Lol
Pretty sure though the man who buys a 750 - 1m gbp car won’t be fretting about depreciation.
With respect, i think this comment is stereotypical tosh. Both myself and, many of my ultra high net worth clients think deeply about depreciation what purchasing cars. To see how hard people have worked to become wealthy, growing businesses, etc and to just think they are then happy to ‘blow away’ cash without a thought is hugely incorrect. Therefore it’s not correct to say “you’re not financially equipped to buy it”. To be honest, I think anybody who does not consider depreciation, regardless of their wealth or if purchasing on finance must have little value for money or much financial accuman imo.Pretty sure though the man who buys a 750 - 1m gbp car won’t be fretting about depreciation.
garystoybox said:
With respect, i think this comment is stereotypical tosh. Both myself and, many of my ultra high net worth clients think deeply about depreciation what purchasing cars. To see how hard people have worked to become wealthy, growing businesses, etc and to just think they are then happy to ‘blow away’ cash without a thought is hugely incorrect. Therefore it’s not correct to say “you’re not financially equipped to buy it”. To be honest, I think anybody who does not consider depreciation, regardless of their wealth or if purchasing on finance must have little value for money or much financial accuman imo.
Agree - self made, high worth individuals I have met are totally risk averse to losing their hard earned Harris says the car understeers. He likes neutral/adjustable/oversteery cars.
The indycar driver says the front wing reduces downforce at critical phases of a turn to stop oversteer. Why? To stop oversteer and to maintain aero grip. The indycar driver likes fast lap times. Understeer gives you that.
They might just both be saying the same thing, but with different preferences and priorities.
The indycar driver says the front wing reduces downforce at critical phases of a turn to stop oversteer. Why? To stop oversteer and to maintain aero grip. The indycar driver likes fast lap times. Understeer gives you that.
They might just both be saying the same thing, but with different preferences and priorities.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Is it possible he is saying what he thinks ???
He was blown away by the P1 recall (it’s a whole new thing) - but the Senna vs the depths the 720s doesn’t work for him.
Quite, it was quite refreshing for a car journalist to not fawn over the latest most expensive model and actually say the cheaper one is betterHe was blown away by the P1 recall (it’s a whole new thing) - but the Senna vs the depths the 720s doesn’t work for him.
He seems to speak his mind rather than say what manufacturers want, more power to him.
thegreenhell said:
I know he's a skilled driver compared to the average man on the street, but maybe he's just not quite good enough to get the most out of the car. Afterall, it's not a 911 and it probably doesn't skid very well.
His comments are not much more than shallow soundbites, but I'd like to read his more detailed thoughts, if he has any. Here's what a professional racing driver thinks about the car:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives...
Hildebrand:His comments are not much more than shallow soundbites, but I'd like to read his more detailed thoughts, if he has any. Here's what a professional racing driver thinks about the car:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives...
"It's not for the Texas mile or for hauling ass from LA to Vegas"
"It is not a road car"
So it's a high aero, lightweight track car of which there are dozens of others to choose from, some are even a tiny bit better looking.
Edited to add:
Autocar's recent back to back comparison showed the 720S to be quicker to 60mph, only 1/10th of a second between them to 100mph and 2 seconds slower around a 2 mile circuit.
I expected more of a gap.
Edited by cheddar on Wednesday 14th November 20:41
I am reliably informed that Harris requested a change of date on the Senna launch at Estoril because he couldn't make it, got stroppy when they didn't change it. He then had 3 laps in a customer Senna (not arranged by McLaren) at Silverstone this summer, not enough to even warm the tyres properly.
Now he spits out this s
t.
He is too busy crashing Porsches to write anything worth reading at the moment.
Now he spits out this s
t. He is too busy crashing Porsches to write anything worth reading at the moment.
CB44 said:
I am reliably informed that Harris requested a change of date on the Senna launch at Estoril because he couldn't make it, got stroppy when they didn't change it. He then had 3 laps in a customer Senna (not arranged by McLaren) at Silverstone this summer, not enough to even warm the tyres properly.
Now he spits out this st.
He is too busy crashing Porsches to write anything worth reading at the moment.
Call BS on this. Now he spits out this s
t. He is too busy crashing Porsches to write anything worth reading at the moment.
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