reliability - now they have been around a while
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I think there have been a sufficient number of threads that suggest :
1) It's probably a good idea to get a warranty (which will save you from unexpected big bills but does add to the annual running cost a tad)
2) McLaren can sell cars faster than they can fix them, so if something goes wrong - perhaps depending on where you are in the country - it might take a while to get it fixed
3) Depreciation is likely to cost you more than fixing things that break
1) It's probably a good idea to get a warranty (which will save you from unexpected big bills but does add to the annual running cost a tad)
2) McLaren can sell cars faster than they can fix them, so if something goes wrong - perhaps depending on where you are in the country - it might take a while to get it fixed
3) Depreciation is likely to cost you more than fixing things that break
davek_964 said:
I think there have been a sufficient number of threads that suggest :
1) It's probably a good idea to get a warranty (which will save you from unexpected big bills but does add to the annual running cost a tad)
2) McLaren can sell cars faster than they can fix them, so if something goes wrong - perhaps depending on where you are in the country - it might take a while to get it fixed
3) Depreciation is likely to cost you more than fixing things that break
Thanks. Depreciation does seem to be worse than Ferrari, initially at least.1) It's probably a good idea to get a warranty (which will save you from unexpected big bills but does add to the annual running cost a tad)
2) McLaren can sell cars faster than they can fix them, so if something goes wrong - perhaps depending on where you are in the country - it might take a while to get it fixed
3) Depreciation is likely to cost you more than fixing things that break
What are the "rules of the game" with McLaren guarantees, and franchised / non franchised dealers?
davek_964 said:
I think there have been a sufficient number of threads that suggest :
1) It's probably a good idea to get a warranty (which will save you from unexpected big bills but does add to the annual running cost a tad)
2) McLaren can sell cars faster than they can fix them, so if something goes wrong - perhaps depending on where you are in the country - it might take a while to get it fixed
3) Depreciation is likely to cost you more than fixing things that break
1) yes you now have three warranty providers!1) It's probably a good idea to get a warranty (which will save you from unexpected big bills but does add to the annual running cost a tad)
2) McLaren can sell cars faster than they can fix them, so if something goes wrong - perhaps depending on where you are in the country - it might take a while to get it fixed
3) Depreciation is likely to cost you more than fixing things that break
2) Not true - never had that sitaution with my two in 3.5 years and 25k miles of use. Yes - some people have but not the majority.
3) Not true for all of them and no more of an issue than "cooking model" Lambo's Ferraris, Bentleys etc
To add to this my two have been used regularly and have definitely been more relaible because of it.
Many McLaren issue are due to people leaving batteries to go flat casuing allsorts of electronics gremlins
Use them and enjoy them (please!)
andrew said:
People always forget that McLarens warranty is comprehensive. Non of the items in that video would have cost the owner a single penny (or cent for Hoovie who makes great videos BTW). The warranty is £3.5k or £5k pa depending on age. Its worth its weight in gold (as you can see). If you are unlucky you will have some issues but its only an inconvenience and 99% of then issues are sensor related and you can reset these yourself with an OBD reader and continue. I have just sold a Ferrari as the expense on repairs was catastrophic, my early 12C cost me £0 in the 2 and a half years and 14k miles I owned it other than the warranty, 2 x £3.5k and £880 for a set of tyres. Depreciation over the 14k miles i had my 12C for was £10k.
Buy a 12C for £80k, keep it for 3 years and sell for £70k and factor in £15k for a warranty and that's £8kpa in total. I'm pretty sure most sporty nearly new cars would do a lot worse, Boxster's, M BMW's, Audi RS etc.
I am now looking for another McLaren but can't decide which variant to buy. I have driven most of them and although there are differences they are all pretty similar, however seeing the air brake pop up is a real delight in the super series.
Really these cars are a bargain, £80k for a 12C, same as a GT4, less than a 911 GTS. Nothing comes close to the driving experience & drama. The only question is if a McLaren is worth the occasional inconvenience? Overall I would say it is, on balance, as its sooooooo much more car than anything at the same price.
People really need to stop taking comments made on internet forums as a fair representation of ownership.
In most cases, you're taking advice from someone you don't know regarding a car you've never seen that you've no idea if they've actually owned which represents a very, very small percentage of real ownership experiences. Not saying everyone is fibbing but guarantee, like the Amazon ratings, some are completely made up.
Do you due diligence, read up on possible issues/faults and make your own mind on a specific deal but don't avoiding owning your dream car because of what someone said on a forum!
In most cases, you're taking advice from someone you don't know regarding a car you've never seen that you've no idea if they've actually owned which represents a very, very small percentage of real ownership experiences. Not saying everyone is fibbing but guarantee, like the Amazon ratings, some are completely made up.
Do you due diligence, read up on possible issues/faults and make your own mind on a specific deal but don't avoiding owning your dream car because of what someone said on a forum!
720S owner here.
Plenty of small electrical niggles, one rattle that was sorted out quickly, nothing that left me without the ability to use or enjoy the car. Just lots of annoying little things going on.
1) Parking Sensor fault. Been this way since delivery, 6 months ago. Car has been in a few times for this issue. Still not resolved. I can't wrap my head around it, but ever so often the car will display "parking sensor fault" followed by a message on the screen. This is generally following the front right parking sensor going off abnormally.
2) Rattle in left door. Promptly fixed on one of the parking sensor trips.
3) Putting the car in reverse will tilt the left hand mirror downward in normal behaviour. For some reason, my McLaren decided it's better for me to be looking at the sky when conducting a reverse, so my mirror tilts upward and to the left. Doesn't reset when put into drive. This one made me chuckle until I forgot about it and tried to switch lanes after leaving a parking spot.
4) Something is going on with the front right tyre. Don't know what, but something is. I'd lose pressure in it, and the low pressure warning would go off incessantly. McLaren rectified this by filling the tyres with nitrogen. They did this FOC. Problem resolved for a couple of weeks. Now the front right is 0.2 bar below the rest, and it's constantly setting off the TPMS. This one is doing my head in as it's a very incessant dinging noise.
To McLaren Bristol's credit, they've been very good with making sure that the car is taken care of well, and have been very easy to work with with regard to having the car picked up and dropped off at my convenience. This holiday period is a short time wherein I'm in the country, free, and able to enjoy the car. Alas, it has all these little issues that are annoying. I'm driving it regardless, as opposed to sending it in for the 5th time, because I just want to enjoy the car for what it is, a driving machine. Will likely ring McLaren up and have it sent in again, when I'm back to work as usual.
Starting to wonder if I can push them to send me a 720S/570S courtesy car because to be honest, it's been in several times now and I'm getting a little annoyed having it gone for a few days here and a few days there, at a go. Missed some good driving events due to said warranty time.
Plenty of small electrical niggles, one rattle that was sorted out quickly, nothing that left me without the ability to use or enjoy the car. Just lots of annoying little things going on.
1) Parking Sensor fault. Been this way since delivery, 6 months ago. Car has been in a few times for this issue. Still not resolved. I can't wrap my head around it, but ever so often the car will display "parking sensor fault" followed by a message on the screen. This is generally following the front right parking sensor going off abnormally.
2) Rattle in left door. Promptly fixed on one of the parking sensor trips.
3) Putting the car in reverse will tilt the left hand mirror downward in normal behaviour. For some reason, my McLaren decided it's better for me to be looking at the sky when conducting a reverse, so my mirror tilts upward and to the left. Doesn't reset when put into drive. This one made me chuckle until I forgot about it and tried to switch lanes after leaving a parking spot.
4) Something is going on with the front right tyre. Don't know what, but something is. I'd lose pressure in it, and the low pressure warning would go off incessantly. McLaren rectified this by filling the tyres with nitrogen. They did this FOC. Problem resolved for a couple of weeks. Now the front right is 0.2 bar below the rest, and it's constantly setting off the TPMS. This one is doing my head in as it's a very incessant dinging noise.
To McLaren Bristol's credit, they've been very good with making sure that the car is taken care of well, and have been very easy to work with with regard to having the car picked up and dropped off at my convenience. This holiday period is a short time wherein I'm in the country, free, and able to enjoy the car. Alas, it has all these little issues that are annoying. I'm driving it regardless, as opposed to sending it in for the 5th time, because I just want to enjoy the car for what it is, a driving machine. Will likely ring McLaren up and have it sent in again, when I'm back to work as usual.
Starting to wonder if I can push them to send me a 720S/570S courtesy car because to be honest, it's been in several times now and I'm getting a little annoyed having it gone for a few days here and a few days there, at a go. Missed some good driving events due to said warranty time.
Not good to hear. I find sometimes the little niggles are more of a pain, as you tend to just accept them and live with them, whereas the big issues tend to go back and get fixed.
FWIW I think all dealers should have a fleet of courtesy cars available for customers, we pay a lot of money to buy one of these cars and shouldn't have to be without it for days/weeks (or months as some have) when they are back in for warranty work.
Porsche seem to have it right. Always have boxster/macans etc available for customers when their cars are in for work. I appreciate they are operating on a much bigger scale but in theory that should make it easier for McLaren. I don't think they'd need many cars, you never know it might even persuade people to upgrade
FWIW I think all dealers should have a fleet of courtesy cars available for customers, we pay a lot of money to buy one of these cars and shouldn't have to be without it for days/weeks (or months as some have) when they are back in for warranty work.
Porsche seem to have it right. Always have boxster/macans etc available for customers when their cars are in for work. I appreciate they are operating on a much bigger scale but in theory that should make it easier for McLaren. I don't think they'd need many cars, you never know it might even persuade people to upgrade
Edited by justin220 on Monday 17th December 10:01
[quote=Bispal]
Buy a 12C for £80k, keep it for 3 years and sell for £70k and factor in £15k for a warranty and that's £8kpa in total. I'm pretty sure most sporty nearly new cars would do a lot worse, Boxster's, M BMW's, Audi RS etc.
As above, but going by the majority of posts about reliability, if you're feeling brave, why not put the yearly £5k warranty cash into a 'maintenance' account and see how much of that £15k you have spent, or spent over...
I was in the similar position as Bispal; after 13 years of F355 spider ownership, the yearly maintenance was getting beyond the cost of the warranty of one of these Mclarens; in the end it started to taint the enjoyment of the car...especially when occasionally it required a part that is no longer made!
Buy a 12C for £80k, keep it for 3 years and sell for £70k and factor in £15k for a warranty and that's £8kpa in total. I'm pretty sure most sporty nearly new cars would do a lot worse, Boxster's, M BMW's, Audi RS etc.
As above, but going by the majority of posts about reliability, if you're feeling brave, why not put the yearly £5k warranty cash into a 'maintenance' account and see how much of that £15k you have spent, or spent over...
I was in the similar position as Bispal; after 13 years of F355 spider ownership, the yearly maintenance was getting beyond the cost of the warranty of one of these Mclarens; in the end it started to taint the enjoyment of the car...especially when occasionally it required a part that is no longer made!
justin220 said:
Not good to hear. I find sometimes the little niggles are more of a pain, as you tend to just accept them and live with them, whereas the big issues tend to go back and get fixed.
FWIW I think all dealers should have a fleet of courtesy cars available for customers, we pay a lot of money to buy one of these cars and shouldn't have to be without it for days/weeks (or months as some have) when they are back in for warranty work.
Porsche seem to have it right. Always have boxster/macans etc available for customers when their cars are in for work. I appreciate they are operating on a much bigger scale but in theory that should make it easier for McLaren. I don't think they'd need many cars, you never know it might even persuade people to upgrade
McDealers do have courtesy cars, though not McLarens!FWIW I think all dealers should have a fleet of courtesy cars available for customers, we pay a lot of money to buy one of these cars and shouldn't have to be without it for days/weeks (or months as some have) when they are back in for warranty work.
Porsche seem to have it right. Always have boxster/macans etc available for customers when their cars are in for work. I appreciate they are operating on a much bigger scale but in theory that should make it easier for McLaren. I don't think they'd need many cars, you never know it might even persuade people to upgrade
Edited by justin220 on Monday 17th December 10:01
Sometimes you can wrangle their demonstrator out of them.
OP your tyre iss has to be a small leak, I'd get them to remove the tyre, reseal and refit it.
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