This Senna Looks To Be In. Bad Way

This Senna Looks To Be In. Bad Way

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LotusJas

605 posts

168 months

Sunday 16th December 2018
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+ higher power to weight, and RWD (compared to Lambos) does make it more likely in a 720S or Senna.

A 720S is in fact quite scary to drive hard. Senna must be even moreso.

(Not saying in any way that the Senna driver was to blame here. In fact I've read elsewhere that another driver crashed into the Senna)

BelfastBoy

734 posts

97 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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As a general question, with reference to the Senna or any other halo / limited type car: are they essentially bought sight-unseen by the lucky chosen ones, or are they able to actually to drive them in advance of committing to their purchases?

mackay45

771 posts

108 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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pincher said:
https://www.instagram.com/aaronspeller1/?hl=en

Not had it long by all accounts. And several reports locally of it being driven in an undesirable manner earlier in the day.
If you read the comments it's not his (it belongs to his Dad's business partner).

The P1 was his Dad's, but was sold and in new ownership when it was crashed (as per the caption on that photo).

MDL111

3,060 posts

114 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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BelfastBoy said:
As a general question, with reference to the Senna or any other halo / limited type car: are they essentially bought sight-unseen by the lucky chosen ones, or are they able to actually to drive them in advance of committing to their purchases?
I think the majority are probably bought without a test drive - at least the stuff that is tough to get

I think Porsche did 918 TDS to sell them but pretty confident nobody test drove a LaF prior to committing

Edit to add: this is purely guesswork - no first hand experience unfortunately

thegreenhell

4,923 posts

156 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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BelfastBoy said:
As a general question, with reference to the Senna or any other halo / limited type car: are they essentially bought sight-unseen by the lucky chosen ones, or are they able to actually to drive them in advance of committing to their purchases?
The Senna and Speedtail were definitely sight-unseen. I don't think McLaren even released any images of either car before they had deposits in place for the entire runs.

I suspect it's the same with Ferrari. If you're fortunate enough to be invited to buy a LaFerrari, I don't think you get a chance to test drive it before you make up your mind. If you even suggested that then I doubt you'd be invited to buy anything else from them in the future.
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AtlantisWeb

351 posts

107 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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Please don't take this as gospel, but I am fairly reliably informed that the Senna belongs to a Mr.Gary Robert Foster Jones, who is business partner of Mr Keith Speller. Mr Speller's son Aaron is the guy that everybody on line is naming as the person who crashed the Senna. Aaron Speller runs an on line blog in which he runs videos of the cars in his Father's collection, including the McLaren P1 registered P1 OMG and Lamborghini Aventador registered KS 1. The cars are not his, but his Father's. If the mods think I may have broken any PH rules by posting names, please remove my post. Thank you.

br d

6,548 posts

163 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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KS 1 used to be on a white ferrari which I've seen being driven like a complete tool, and I mean dangerously badly.

If it's the same driver it wouldn't surprise me.

isaldiri

4,103 posts

105 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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BelfastBoy said:
As a general question, with reference to the Senna or any other halo / limited type car: are they essentially bought sight-unseen by the lucky chosen ones, or are they able to actually to drive them in advance of committing to their purchases?
I think it depends on what the manufacturers think they can get away with. As mentinoed, the 918 had a lot of test drives offered, there were a reasonable number of P1 test drives offered as well. Not for the Senna though afaik and definitely not for the speedtail.

BelfastBoy

734 posts

97 months

Monday 17th December 2018
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thegreenhell said:
The Senna and Speedtail were definitely sight-unseen. I don't think McLaren even released any images of either car before they had deposits in place for the entire runs.

I suspect it's the same with Ferrari. If you're fortunate enough to be invited to buy a LaFerrari, I don't think you get a chance to test drive it before you make up your mind. If you even suggested that then I doubt you'd be invited to buy anything else from them in the future.
I thought this would be the case. The manufacturers could clearly find lots more buyers than they plan to make cars, so anybody invited to buy them is likely to accept whatever parameters are set - out of the fear of missing out on that or future opportunities. So while it's likely not the case where the Senna in this thread is concerned, it's entirely possible that new owners can be caught out when they drive their cars for the first time, since in some cases they may not even have sat in one up until they've taken delivery.

Saturday 5th January
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Not as bad as this one

HorneyMX5

4,312 posts

87 months

Saturday 5th January
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Just burst into flames apparently. The guy is you tuber I think, McLaren are not going to enjoy those videos doing the rounds.

HighwayStar

2,095 posts

81 months

Saturday 5th January
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HorneyMX5 said:
Just burst into flames apparently. The guy is you tuber I think, McLaren are not going to enjoy those videos doing the rounds.
He is a Tuber but he is actually a businessman, buys his own cars etc.. he was actually turned down for a Senna but bought one delivered to a dealer but own cancelled. He’s pretty cool about the fire... a big Mclaren fan.

pincher

5,371 posts

154 months

Saturday 5th January
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.......who now wants to sell all his supercars apparently.......

johnwilliams77

4,987 posts

40 months

Saturday 5th January
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AtlantisWeb said:
Please don't take this as gospel, but I am fairly reliably informed that the Senna belongs to a Mr.Gary Robert Foster Jones, who is business partner of Mr Keith Speller. Mr Speller's son Aaron is the guy that everybody on line is naming as the person who crashed the Senna. Aaron Speller runs an on line blog in which he runs videos of the cars in his Father's collection, including the McLaren P1 registered P1 OMG and Lamborghini Aventador registered KS 1. The cars are not his, but his Father's. If the mods think I may have broken any PH rules by posting names, please remove my post. Thank you.
Tanning shops - explains a lot...!

CyCy

74 posts

17 months

Saturday 5th January
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LotusJas said:
+ higher power to weight, and RWD (compared to Lambos) does make it more likely in a 720S or Senna.

A 720S is in fact quite scary to drive hard. Senna must be even moreso.

(Not saying in any way that the Senna driver was to blame here. In fact I've read elsewhere that another driver crashed into the Senna)
I think the 720S is probably amongst the easiest to drive hard, to be honest. I had the pleasure of driving an Aventador S over the weekend. Scared the bks off me! Loved it. Weird though, because they both scare me but in different ways/scales. The 720S is so scary because it's so damn fast. The Aventador is scary because it's just a proper intimidating thing to push around/manhandle.

Now, I need to do some man math to figure out how the fk I'm meant to buy an SVJ. Heart is set!

LotusJas

605 posts

168 months

Saturday 5th January
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CyCy said:
I think the 720S is probably amongst the easiest to drive hard, to be honest.
I actually found the Performante a lot easier to drive hard. Because of its 4WD and "less lively" feeling and steering in part, but also because it was slower.

I've not driven an Aventador.

The 720S is just ballistic, and keeps you on your toes if you push it v hard. It's the only car that actually scares me, apart from a race engined F40 (which was even scarier, albeit much slower).

CyCy

74 posts

17 months

Saturday 5th January
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LotusJas said:
I actually found the Performante a lot easier to drive hard. Because of its 4WD and "less lively" feeling and steering in part, but also because it was slower.

I've not driven an Aventador.

The 720S is just ballistic, and keeps you on your toes if you push it v hard. It's the only car that actually scares me, apart from a race engined F40 (which was even scarier, albeit much slower).
Fair one, actually. Haven't driven the Perf yet, only a 488, standard Huracan, and 720S. I guess I didn't quite put across what I meant properly. What I meant was, the 720S felt like it was the easiest car to drive VERY quickly. Even though it's an exhilarating experience, it's just that the car is so damn good, and so bloody capable, it makes my fat arse feel like a driving god. Meanwhile the 488s and Huracans of the world are good cars but a normal pleb like me can't extract that much performance out of them without feeling like I'm gonna die!

br d

6,548 posts

163 months

Sunday 6th January
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LotusJas said:
The 720S is just ballistic, and keeps you on your toes if you push it v hard. It's the only car that actually scares me, apart from a race engined F40 (which was even scarier, albeit much slower).
Is this on a track LJ? Tbh, I don't think a 720S can be pushed very hard on normal roads.

Camlet

1,105 posts

86 months

Sunday 6th January
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a ton of hp + zero skill + cold tyres x inflated ego = big shunt.

very fortunate no one hurt.

andymac01

79 posts

130 months

Monday 7th January
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LotusJas said:
I actually found the Performante a lot easier to drive hard. Because of its 4WD and "less lively" feeling and steering in part, but also because it was slower.

I've not driven an Aventador.

The 720S is just ballistic, and keeps you on your toes if you push it v hard. It's the only car that actually scares me, apart from a race engined F40 (which was even scarier, albeit much slower).
Absolutely, the 720s is hairy unless conditions are perfect, great car, however with the Performante you can throw it around, its much safer, better for the not so accomplished driver, so I am safer in it lol.