The £90k 570S has arrived - bargain of the year?
Discussion
Superleg48 said:
12pack said:
A bit too heavy and slow, cheap interior and a bit too numb 4 wd handling. Sounds nice, though.
That 570s has got to be the performance car bargain of the century.
Lol. Heavy and slow...That 570s has got to be the performance car bargain of the century.
Edited by 12pack on Monday 15th April 20:35
LP560-4: 0-60 3.7s / 202mph / 1500kgs
570S 0-60 3.1s / 205mph / 1344kgs
These are tiny tiny differences which in the real world make bugger all difference. 0.6s is barely a blink of an eye. Technically you are correct though....if you are playing Top Trumps.
I accept the 570S is probably the better drive though.
E65Ross said:
Superleg48 said:
12pack said:
A bit too heavy and slow, cheap interior and a bit too numb 4 wd handling. Sounds nice, though.
That 570s has got to be the performance car bargain of the century.
Lol. Heavy and slow...That 570s has got to be the performance car bargain of the century.
Edited by 12pack on Monday 15th April 20:35
LP560-4: 0-60 3.7s / 202mph / 1500kgs
570S 0-60 3.1s / 205mph / 1344kgs
These are tiny tiny differences which in the real world make bugger all difference. 0.6s is barely a blink of an eye. Technically you are correct though....if you are playing Top Trumps.
I accept the 570S is probably the better drive though.
Superleg48 said:
E65Ross said:
Superleg48 said:
12pack said:
A bit too heavy and slow, cheap interior and a bit too numb 4 wd handling. Sounds nice, though.
That 570s has got to be the performance car bargain of the century.
Lol. Heavy and slow...That 570s has got to be the performance car bargain of the century.
Edited by 12pack on Monday 15th April 20:35
LP560-4: 0-60 3.7s / 202mph / 1500kgs
570S 0-60 3.1s / 205mph / 1344kgs
These are tiny tiny differences which in the real world make bugger all difference. 0.6s is barely a blink of an eye. Technically you are correct though....if you are playing Top Trumps.
I accept the 570S is probably the better drive though.
Each to their own, and I wouldn't buy purely on numbers, but if you think nobody can tell the difference in a 20% difference in acceleration I think you'd be a bit naive.
I doubt most people would be able to feel the difference if they did 0-60 in 3 seconds or 3.5.
It’s a double blink.....
You’re saying those that think they can’t are naive but you’re making assumptions and haven’t experienced it.
I’ve done many logs of 0-60 and 60-100 where there’s a half second difference and I couldn’t feel it.
It’s a double blink.....
You’re saying those that think they can’t are naive but you’re making assumptions and haven’t experienced it.
I’ve done many logs of 0-60 and 60-100 where there’s a half second difference and I couldn’t feel it.
Edited by deadscoob on Monday 27th May 22:30
deadscoob said:
I doubt most people would be able to feel the difference if they did 0-60 in 3 seconds or 3.5.
It’s a double blink.....
You’re saying those that think they can’t are naive but you’re making assumptions and haven’t experienced it.
I’ve done many logs of 0-60 and 60-100 where there’s a half second difference and I couldn’t feel it.
Totally agree. Not a chance anyone could tell the difference at such marginal numbers. The problem with percentages is that they can make small numbers sound large - politicians do it all the time to make their arguments sound more feasible. If I bought something for 1pence, and sold it for 2pence, I have made a mark up of 100%, but made a gross margin of 50%. However, it’s still only 1p profit.It’s a double blink.....
You’re saying those that think they can’t are naive but you’re making assumptions and haven’t experienced it.
I’ve done many logs of 0-60 and 60-100 where there’s a half second difference and I couldn’t feel it.
Edited by deadscoob on Monday 27th May 22:30
Edited by mickpsu on Tuesday 28th May 06:44
Sorry guys, but you do FEEL the difference in those numbers. In fact, the way quoted acceleration numbers are achieved COMPRESSES the difference. These involve launch-controlled/full throttle launches under perfect conditions. I won't repeat my comments from earlier in the thread, but subjectively the Huracan I drove felt a lot MORE than 10 or 20% slower than a 650s. And don't forget - the Italians have a rep for special prep of cars being tested, while Macs are the opposite...
Edited by 12pack on Tuesday 28th May 08:49
Turbo cab said:
Anyway back on topic.....
Crazy - has the car been repaired yet and how is it?
Afraid not, just over 3 weeks at the dealer and two failed delivery promises BUT McLaren themselves, after a moan have given me a new 570GT to use in the meantime so I'm happy with that. Off to Le Mans in 2 weeks so hopefully back before then but as this car is LHD it would be handy to take it instead.Crazy - has the car been repaired yet and how is it?
Crazy4557 said:
Afraid not, just over 3 weeks at the dealer and two failed delivery promises BUT McLaren themselves, after a moan have given me a new 570GT to use in the meantime so I'm happy with that. Off to Le Mans in 2 weeks so hopefully back before then but as this car is LHD it would be handy to take it instead.
Sorry to hear you have not got the car back yet. Hope they sort it and you can get out enjoying it asap.Your story is not encouraging me to make a purchase just yet....
Keep us updated
I am not aware of any car manufacturer who has a blemish free record in terms of making cars free of issues. I think the McLaren perception is exacerbated by what seems to me to be a fashionable trend to highlight issues with these cars in particular, especially on forums.
Remember what you read is very likely to be a relatively small proportion of cars overall, since people don’t generally go online to say how good something is. That makes boring reading after all. Just watch the news on TV every day. Doom and gloom abounds!
If you want a McLaren, you can mitigate your risks of problems somewhat by finding a low owner car with at least say 6000 miles per annum on average on the clock. So a 1 owner car, 2 years old with 10-12k on the clock, is likely to be a good one, as opposed to a 2 year old car with 3 or 4 owners and 3000 miles on the clock. Although, this isn’t always a fail safe rule of thumb, since cars like this often change hands frequently and quite a few people do seem to like a garage ornament. Just a thought.
Remember what you read is very likely to be a relatively small proportion of cars overall, since people don’t generally go online to say how good something is. That makes boring reading after all. Just watch the news on TV every day. Doom and gloom abounds!
If you want a McLaren, you can mitigate your risks of problems somewhat by finding a low owner car with at least say 6000 miles per annum on average on the clock. So a 1 owner car, 2 years old with 10-12k on the clock, is likely to be a good one, as opposed to a 2 year old car with 3 or 4 owners and 3000 miles on the clock. Although, this isn’t always a fail safe rule of thumb, since cars like this often change hands frequently and quite a few people do seem to like a garage ornament. Just a thought.
Crazy4557 said:
Afraid not, just over 3 weeks at the dealer and two failed delivery promises BUT McLaren themselves, after a moan have given me a new 570GT to use in the meantime so I'm happy with that. Off to Le Mans in 2 weeks so hopefully back before then but as this car is LHD it would be handy to take it instead.
Is it just a replacement windscreen you're waiting for, or was there something else?Hope you get sorted soon and it doesn't spoil your Le Mans plans, I'll be there in mine camping on Houx so pop in for a beer if you're passing
Superleg48 said:
12pack said:
A bit too heavy and slow, cheap interior and a bit too numb 4 wd handling. Sounds nice, though.
That 570s has got to be the performance car bargain of the century.
Lol. Heavy and slow...That 570s has got to be the performance car bargain of the century.
Edited by 12pack on Monday 15th April 20:35
LP560-4: 0-60 3.7s / 202mph / 1500kgs
570S 0-60 3.1s / 205mph / 1344kgs
These are tiny tiny differences which in the real world make bugger all difference. 0.6s is barely a blink of an eye. Technically you are correct though....if you are playing Top Trumps.
I accept the 570S is probably the better drive though.
The McLaren feels MUCH more agile and responsive, and comparing 0-60 is almost meaningless with just about any car but even more so with 4WD vs RWD and hugely quick and powerful sports cars.
The Mac has the Huracan covered comfortably let alone the much older tech (and lower power) of the Gallardo.
Crazy4557 said:
Turbo cab said:
Anyway back on topic.....
Crazy - has the car been repaired yet and how is it?
Afraid not, just over 3 weeks at the dealer and two failed delivery promises BUT McLaren themselves, after a moan have given me a new 570GT to use in the meantime so I'm happy with that. Off to Le Mans in 2 weeks so hopefully back before then but as this car is LHD it would be handy to take it instead.Crazy - has the car been repaired yet and how is it?
Dblue said:
If you drove both cars back to back you would think the Lamborghini weighs a lot more than 160kg extra.
The McLaren feels MUCH more agile and responsive, and comparing 0-60 is almost meaningless with just about any car but even more so with 4WD vs RWD and hugely quick and powerful sports cars.
The Mac has the Huracan covered comfortably let alone the much older tech (and lower power) of the Gallardo.
Could be worse, could be an R8 The McLaren feels MUCH more agile and responsive, and comparing 0-60 is almost meaningless with just about any car but even more so with 4WD vs RWD and hugely quick and powerful sports cars.
The Mac has the Huracan covered comfortably let alone the much older tech (and lower power) of the Gallardo.
markj113 said:
Dblue said:
If you drove both cars back to back you would think the Lamborghini weighs a lot more than 160kg extra.
The McLaren feels MUCH more agile and responsive, and comparing 0-60 is almost meaningless with just about any car but even more so with 4WD vs RWD and hugely quick and powerful sports cars.
The Mac has the Huracan covered comfortably let alone the much older tech (and lower power) of the Gallardo.
Could be worse, could be an R8 The McLaren feels MUCH more agile and responsive, and comparing 0-60 is almost meaningless with just about any car but even more so with 4WD vs RWD and hugely quick and powerful sports cars.
The Mac has the Huracan covered comfortably let alone the much older tech (and lower power) of the Gallardo.
R8 is a great car as is the Gallardo , I've had both , and a McLaren. Mac is a much more sophisticated thing , but the V10 is one awesome motor. Back in a GT3 now though
Hope your motor returns from garage soon.
Regards the 0-60 posts, is more appropriate to compare 0-100mph, 0-200kmh, 0-300kmh times for eg to understand the real performance difference between the cars. The benchmark 0-60 time is obviously v traction dependent whereas the runs to higher speeds give better indication of pace once acceleration not traction limited
Regards the 0-60 posts, is more appropriate to compare 0-100mph, 0-200kmh, 0-300kmh times for eg to understand the real performance difference between the cars. The benchmark 0-60 time is obviously v traction dependent whereas the runs to higher speeds give better indication of pace once acceleration not traction limited
MOD500 said:
Hope your motor returns from garage soon.
Regards the 0-60 posts, is more appropriate to compare 0-100mph, 0-200kmh, 0-300kmh times for eg to understand the real performance difference between the cars. The benchmark 0-60 time is obviously v traction dependent whereas the runs to higher speeds give better indication of pace once acceleration not traction limited
Agreed, and 9.5 seconds from rest to 200 kph is pretty impressive for the 570s.Regards the 0-60 posts, is more appropriate to compare 0-100mph, 0-200kmh, 0-300kmh times for eg to understand the real performance difference between the cars. The benchmark 0-60 time is obviously v traction dependent whereas the runs to higher speeds give better indication of pace once acceleration not traction limited
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