Keeping a 570S or 600LT outside, no garage

[The Surveyor]

dank said:

Just been doing some man maths on 570S

so essentially PCP means you are 'hiring' the car for say 2 years - cost of hiring excluding fuel, tyres insurance etc is around £45k - so £22.5k per year

Then hand car back

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Or, i could buy a used Gallardo for £70-80k - keep for two years - sell for say £50 in 2 years and only loose £20k?

Then again are running costs going to be £10-20k for 2 years??? I am used to running a 911 turbo, so know services etc can all add up, easy to get a £2-3k bill, but not used to 5-10k bills and that scares me!!

The warranty on a new 570s will mean you will know exactly how much you will be paying, there should be no nasty big maintenance bills. Assuming the pcp excludes servicing as well, servicing costs are £800 - £1,100 each year depending on which service so that will be a 'saving' compared to those service bills from Porsche (man maths...).

Running a used Gallardo is much less predictable. It may cost less if you find a decent independnt, or it may cost more largely depending upon luck even though the Gallardo are generally pretty reliable. This guy's luck ran out for example https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[m4tti]

The Surveyor said:

The warranty on a new 570s will mean you will know exactly how much you will be paying, there should be no nasty big maintenance bills. Assuming the pcp excludes servicing as well, servicing costs are £800 - £1,100 each year depending on which service so that will be a 'saving' compared to those service bills from Porsche (man maths...).

Running a used Gallardo is much less predictable. It may cost less if you find a decent independnt, or it may cost more largely depending upon luck even though the Gallardo are generally pretty reliable. This guy's luck ran out for example https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Although he did 105,000 miles...

[dank]

thats a stunning colour, caleum blue!

I understand that the newer Macca in theory shouldn't have issues, but is it worth £20k more over two years... ?

[ferdi p]

dank said:

thats a stunning colour, caleum blue!

I understand that the newer Macca in theory shouldn't have issues, but is it worth £20k more over two years... ?

Yes if you can afford it & No if you can't...

[davek_964]

dank said:

I understand that the newer Macca in theory shouldn't have issues, but is it worth £20k more over two years... ?

Only you can decide that.

I test drove my 650 in August, initially intending it to replace my Ferrari 360 - which I guess is not too far away as a comparison to a Gallardo. I felt it was a bit less raw than the 360, and wasn't a suitable replacement - so I got rid of my Aston instead.

However - since August, I've used my 360 a total of 4 (maybe 5) times. Most of the time, I don't even think about getting it out of the garage. There are things I prefer about the 360 (I think the steering is quicker), but in most areas the McLaren is superior - and is also very very useable for "normal" journeys (and the 540 courtesy car I had was even more so).

I really need to get rid of one of them in Spring - and despite the fact that the McLaren costs much more (warranty cost, plus depreciation) - it's almost certainly going to be the 360 that goes.

[12pack]

dank said:

I understand that the newer Macca in theory shouldn't have issues, but is it worth £20k more over two years... ?

For me, a resounding yes (I am assuming one can afford the £ or there is no point to this conversation). IMO, if you like to drive then there is no comparison. From behind the wheel, the Gallardo - especially an AWD one - might as well be an Audi sedan.

But, if you want to rev the car silly in a car park - the Gallardo wins.

[The Surveyor]

m4tti said:

Although he did 105,000 miles...

as had the chap with the Ferrari 360 who's also documenting his engine re-build. There is also the chap looking to buy a 458 on the Ferrari forum where one of the options has done 80k miles and had needed a re-build, and I'll not even venture on the TVR or Porsche forums where engine rebuilds are a way of life (slight exaggeration!).

The point I'm making is that buying and running an older supercar outside warranty is very a very different proposition to leasing a brand new supercar which comes with a nice bumper-to-bumper warranty. Its different because one is a potential lottery, and the other is safely predictable.

[drcarrera]

dank said:

Just been doing some man maths on 570S

so essentially PCP means you are 'hiring' the car for say 2 years - cost of hiring excluding fuel, tyres insurance etc is around £45k - so £22.5k per year

Then hand car back

---

Or, i could buy a used Gallardo for £70-80k - keep for two years - sell for say £50 in 2 years and only loose £20k?

Then again are running costs going to be £10-20k for 2 years??? I am used to running a 911 turbo, so know services etc can all add up, easy to get a £2-3k bill, but not used to 5-10k bills and that scares me!!

Or just get a nice two year old one with any niggles ironed out for c£100K and just keep it! (That's what I'm planning to do ....)

[monthefish]

12pack said:

dank said:

I understand that the newer Macca in theory shouldn't have issues, but is it worth £20k more over two years... ?

For me, a resounding yes (I am assuming one can afford the £ or there is no point to this conversation). IMO, if you like to drive then there is no comparison. From behind the wheel, the Gallardo - especially an AWD one - might as well be an Audi sedan.

But, if you want to rev the car silly in a car park - the Gallardo wins.

Biggest load of st ever

I test drove a 570S, and it was 'nice' but didn't (at all) really feel like a supercar. It felt very anodyne.

When I drove the Gallardo (an AWD one!), it was a completely different experience - total assault on all the senses and I fell in love with it. So I bought one.

(If anything, of the two the McLaren was closer to an Audi sedan, but to say 'might as well be an Audi sedan' about either car is completely ridiculous.)

[blueg33]

My Lotus Evora lives outside and I have zero problems, surely a modern Mclaren can too......

[12pack]

monthefish said:

I test drove a 570S, and it was 'nice' but didn't (at all) really feel like a supercar. It felt very anodyne.

When I drove the Gallardo (an AWD one!), it was a completely different experience - total assault on all the senses and I fell in love with it. So I bought one.

In other words the Gallardo was loud, shifted jerkily and understeered even at low speeds, while the Mac was planted, with great steering feel? Oh, and went like blazes.

I fully respect your decision - it all depends on what you want from a "supercar". One person's "raw" is another person's "poorly engineered".

Edited by 12pack on Thursday 16th January 12:59

[justin220]

monthefish said:

Biggest load of st ever

I test drove a 570S, and it was 'nice' but didn't (at all) really feel like a supercar. It felt very anodyne.

When I drove the Gallardo (an AWD one!), it was a completely different experience - total assault on all the senses and I fell in love with it. So I bought one.

(If anything, of the two the McLaren was closer to an Audi sedan, but to say 'might as well be an Audi sedan' about either car is completely ridiculous.)

It just shows everyone likes different things.

I've owned both, and tracked the G. The Gallardo sounded utterly fantastic. Interior is a big let down, and it didn't drive particularly well IMO.

The Macs are in a completely different league to drive. The only area I'd hand to the Gallardo is the sound.

[Obafemi09]

justin220 said:

It just shows everyone likes different things.

I've owned both, and tracked the G. The Gallardo sounded utterly fantastic. Interior is a big let down, and it didn't drive particularly well IMO.

The Macs are in a completely different league to drive. The only area I'd hand to the Gallardo is the sound.

Likewise - I never tracked my Gallardo and it made a hell of a noise mine had a tubi exhaust and de-catt/striagh pipes - it was absolutely ridiculous and sounded like a Spitfire - but as a driving tool it was nothing special but the looks and noise did manage to compensate for that. Totally agree on the interior as well, are very dated now, but from the outside I still prefer these to the Huracan.

As a driving machine, the McLaren really is something else, when people talk about them being like a Lotus Elise turned up to 11 I think that is a great description, they're so precise and so much feel and feedback, it's very addictive!

[RBT0]

https://twitter.com/perfectionvalet/status/1216030...

[monthefish]

justin220 said:

It just shows everyone likes different things.

Correct. But anyone who thinks either the Lambo or the McLaren is 'just like driving an Audi' is clearly deluded.