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davek_964 said:
The problem with man maths :
My 360 will almost certainly be sold / collected tomorrow. I'm selling it because I just don't use it anymore, and it really is overkill having a 650S Spider and a 360. I want a "cheap" (< £20k) fun runaround that I can use sometimes for the boring stuff like work (if we ever go back to the office), shopping etc.
But I look at that 12C and think : Hmm..... I wouldn't have to add too much to the 360 sale, and I could have two McLarens...........
Well as one of Top Gear guys observed (I think it was one of them), no point having two cars that are for similar use situations. FWIW, I kept my V12 Vantage as it’s one of the last NA V12’s and its manual, though the occasions when I go out as say, “Well, I feel like rowing myself today so I’m going to leave the Mac behind”, are getting fewer every week.My 360 will almost certainly be sold / collected tomorrow. I'm selling it because I just don't use it anymore, and it really is overkill having a 650S Spider and a 360. I want a "cheap" (< £20k) fun runaround that I can use sometimes for the boring stuff like work (if we ever go back to the office), shopping etc.
But I look at that 12C and think : Hmm..... I wouldn't have to add too much to the 360 sale, and I could have two McLarens...........
Edited by 12pack on Thursday 18th June 13:32
ghost83 said:
Could sell the 360 and the 650s davek and aim for a 720 or 600lt
Fortunately (for my bank account) - I actually prefer the 650 to the 720, so it's not tempting.If a 675 Spider was affordable - which it's not - I'd be pouring petrol over the 650 and preparing my insurance claim right now
Briza said:
Matty3 said:
Having a similar dilemma - 12Cs offer such tremendous value currently - will pop in to Sytners I reckon for a look 
Let us know your thoughts Matty3 if you pop in to see the 12C, I am not in a position to buy yet as im stuck abroad due to this virus thingy!!Briza said:
Matty3 said:
Having a similar dilemma - 12Cs offer such tremendous value currently - will pop in to Sytners I reckon for a look
Let us know your thoughts Matty3 if you pop in to see the 12C, I am not in a position to buy yet as im stuck abroad due to this virus thingy!!
Imad said:
It’s a dangerous situation that I also find myself in...... earning a reasonable salary each month, but stuck far away from the better things in life..... somehow I have ended up looking at McLarens as well over the last few weeks.....
Yes, very dangerous, I am torn between a 12C and a Ferrari California, 2 totally different cars I know,but both with their pros and cons, i'm a victim of being stuck in Iraq for over 3 months and the more time i spend looking the more sense it seems to make for one or the other!I would ring them and ask them if they would have it inspected by Thorney prior to purchase. If it’s a no then steer clear.
If I was advertising the car I would be putting any thumbs up from Thorney in the advert, huge plus.
If it was on for £75k and was sound, then a price tag of £70k with a Thorney warranty would be huge plus. The dealership would be making more money than at the current price of £65k, assuming it sailed through the inspection of course.
All in all it seems a bit odd to me and probably too cheap.
If I was advertising the car I would be putting any thumbs up from Thorney in the advert, huge plus.
If it was on for £75k and was sound, then a price tag of £70k with a Thorney warranty would be huge plus. The dealership would be making more money than at the current price of £65k, assuming it sailed through the inspection of course.
All in all it seems a bit odd to me and probably too cheap.
thelegrapxi said:
I would ring them and ask them if they would have it inspected by Thorney prior to purchase. If it’s a no then steer clear.
If I was advertising the car I would be putting any thumbs up from Thorney in the advert, huge plus.
If it was on for £75k and was sound, then a price tag of £70k with a Thorney warranty would be huge plus. The dealership would be making more money than at the current price of £65k, assuming it sailed through the inspection of course.
All in all it seems a bit odd to me and probably too cheap.
I would say the problem is trying to put a Thorney or McLaren warranty on a car that currently has no warranty.If I was advertising the car I would be putting any thumbs up from Thorney in the advert, huge plus.
If it was on for £75k and was sound, then a price tag of £70k with a Thorney warranty would be huge plus. The dealership would be making more money than at the current price of £65k, assuming it sailed through the inspection of course.
All in all it seems a bit odd to me and probably too cheap.
Both shall inspect with a microscope prior to issuing a warranty to minimise the potential for a claim...Thorney will not take any chance on offering a £2850 warranty if it may throw up a claim for double that.
In the last few months a few posters have mentioned cars that were put in for inspections by Thorney and there were multiple issues that would require to be resolved before they considered putting a warranty on.
It would be great if Thorney could post a video stating how many they have inspected for buying purposes or warranty purchase that required work before issuing said warranty and what the average costs involved.
The best way to avoid that is to try and source a car that has an existing Thorney or McLaren warranty already in place.
I think Thorney would probably do well if he went into McLaren used car sales!
650spider said:
I would say the problem is trying to put a Thorney or McLaren warranty on a car that currently has no warranty.
Both shall inspect with a microscope prior to issuing a warranty to minimise the potential for a claim...Thorney will not take any chance on offering a £2850 warranty if it may throw up a claim for double that.
In the last few months a few posters have mentioned cars that were put in for inspections by Thorney and there were multiple issues that would require to be resolved before they considered putting a warranty on.
It would be great if Thorney could post a video stating how many they have inspected for buying purposes or warranty purchase that required work before issuing said warranty and what the average costs involved.
The best way to avoid that is to try and source a car that has an existing Thorney or McLaren warranty already in place.
I think Thorney would probably do well if he went into McLaren used car sales!
I agree. I guess my point is a clean car is wanted, the one chap or chapette mentioned previously the dealer hadn’t got back to him concerning the inspection. But if it passed the inspection for warranty at either McLaren or Thorney then you know you have a car that won’t require putting right. You can then decide whether to take out a warranty or self warranty. Both shall inspect with a microscope prior to issuing a warranty to minimise the potential for a claim...Thorney will not take any chance on offering a £2850 warranty if it may throw up a claim for double that.
In the last few months a few posters have mentioned cars that were put in for inspections by Thorney and there were multiple issues that would require to be resolved before they considered putting a warranty on.
It would be great if Thorney could post a video stating how many they have inspected for buying purposes or warranty purchase that required work before issuing said warranty and what the average costs involved.
The best way to avoid that is to try and source a car that has an existing Thorney or McLaren warranty already in place.
I think Thorney would probably do well if he went into McLaren used car sales!
Limp mode on a road test sounds like a worry, added to the fact one poster reckons £10k has come off the asking price.
thelegrapxi said:
650spider said:
I would say the problem is trying to put a Thorney or McLaren warranty on a car that currently has no warranty.
Both shall inspect with a microscope prior to issuing a warranty to minimise the potential for a claim...Thorney will not take any chance on offering a £2850 warranty if it may throw up a claim for double that.
In the last few months a few posters have mentioned cars that were put in for inspections by Thorney and there were multiple issues that would require to be resolved before they considered putting a warranty on.
It would be great if Thorney could post a video stating how many they have inspected for buying purposes or warranty purchase that required work before issuing said warranty and what the average costs involved.
The best way to avoid that is to try and source a car that has an existing Thorney or McLaren warranty already in place.
I think Thorney would probably do well if he went into McLaren used car sales!
I agree. I guess my point is a clean car is wanted, the one chap or chapette mentioned previously the dealer hadn’t got back to him concerning the inspection. But if it passed the inspection for warranty at either McLaren or Thorney then you know you have a car that won’t require putting right. You can then decide whether to take out a warranty or self warranty. Both shall inspect with a microscope prior to issuing a warranty to minimise the potential for a claim...Thorney will not take any chance on offering a £2850 warranty if it may throw up a claim for double that.
In the last few months a few posters have mentioned cars that were put in for inspections by Thorney and there were multiple issues that would require to be resolved before they considered putting a warranty on.
It would be great if Thorney could post a video stating how many they have inspected for buying purposes or warranty purchase that required work before issuing said warranty and what the average costs involved.
The best way to avoid that is to try and source a car that has an existing Thorney or McLaren warranty already in place.
I think Thorney would probably do well if he went into McLaren used car sales!
Limp mode on a road test sounds like a worry, added to the fact one poster reckons £10k has come off the asking price.
Buying any supercar - you need to go in with eyes wide open - a bad step can cost you dear no matter what the marque!
We now look after all of Sytner Selects Mclaren stock so we know the ornage one you're referring to, it came to us with an error code which was a simple loose boost pipe, fixed and sorted, I drove it last and its a lovely little car.
As for us going into sales? No effing way!
Firstly we have never been and never will be car sales people, its just not us and secondly if we start to sell cars we have skin in the game (we would make a profit on the car) and that means we can never be independent in terms of our view on the car itself. By staying as service/repair/tuning only we only give our view on the car and what it needs and not a value or determination of work needed based on our income, if we start selling them I really cant see how we can maintain that.
Our mantra is that every car that comes down the driveway is see as being owned by us, its 'our' car what would we do in terms of work, we simply share that and work accordingly.
As for us going into sales? No effing way!
Firstly we have never been and never will be car sales people, its just not us and secondly if we start to sell cars we have skin in the game (we would make a profit on the car) and that means we can never be independent in terms of our view on the car itself. By staying as service/repair/tuning only we only give our view on the car and what it needs and not a value or determination of work needed based on our income, if we start selling them I really cant see how we can maintain that.
Our mantra is that every car that comes down the driveway is see as being owned by us, its 'our' car what would we do in terms of work, we simply share that and work accordingly.
650spider said:
It would be great if Thorney could post a video stating how many they have inspected for buying purposes or warranty purchase that required work before issuing said warranty and what the average costs involved.
We do record a lot of data on every car we see, each car has appox 50 pictures taken of every angle and every issue we see and stored in its own encrypted folder, it allows us to build up a complete history of every car which is hugely valuable for the owner and any news owner. To give you an example, we had a 650 in this week, we serviced it last year and last year we noted there was some weeping from an oil seal and one shock had a slight misting. We advised the owner at the time that they didnt need replacing but to just keep an eye out. Fast forward to this week and we note the same misting/leak and we were able to compare the item to the images we took 12 months ago to see if it had got any worse (it hadnt) so we carry on advising to keep an eye. This kind of history is crucial for long term ownership of these cars we think.
[quote=Thorney]We now look after all of Sytner Selects Mclaren stock so we know the ornage one you're referring to, it came to us with an error code which was a simple loose boost pipe, fixed and sorted, I drove it last and its a lovely little car.
Exactly what i thought when I drove the car.
Tbh a little bit gutted that:-
a) I had no communication from the dealer in over a week and
b) I'm too impatient and didn't want to miss another one only to find out this was a more serious problem.
Some things are just not meant to be!
Exactly what i thought when I drove the car.
Tbh a little bit gutted that:-
a) I had no communication from the dealer in over a week and
b) I'm too impatient and didn't want to miss another one only to find out this was a more serious problem.
Some things are just not meant to be!
Thorney said:
650spider said:
It would be great if Thorney could post a video stating how many they have inspected for buying purposes or warranty purchase that required work before issuing said warranty and what the average costs involved.
We do record a lot of data on every car we see, each car has appox 50 pictures taken of every angle and every issue we see and stored in its own encrypted folder, it allows us to build up a complete history of every car which is hugely valuable for the owner and any news owner. To give you an example, we had a 650 in this week, we serviced it last year and last year we noted there was some weeping from an oil seal and one shock had a slight misting. We advised the owner at the time that they didnt need replacing but to just keep an eye out. Fast forward to this week and we note the same misting/leak and we were able to compare the item to the images we took 12 months ago to see if it had got any worse (it hadnt) so we carry on advising to keep an eye. This kind of history is crucial for long term ownership of these cars we think.
If they were asking you to put a warranty on the car, would you request these items were replaced our would a disclaimer be introduced as pre existing faults and therefore exempt from a claim?
Sorry for the questions, but as much info about McLarens reliability or issues is fantastic information for current and future owners weighing up whether to warranty or self warranty.
My 650 had the same issue with a damper on its 3rd annual service and again last year on its 4th...if i did not have a warranty i would be looking to keep an eye on it to see if it actually worsened....in both cases, it in no way affected the car at all. It seemed a bit extreme to replace at £3k a time for slight signs of damp.
However, i am seriously weighing up if i extend the warranty again in late October at a £4700 cost or just put the money into a car maintenance account.
As per your videos Thorney it has been very reliable, with no issues since last Octobers warranty extension.
650spider said:
Out of interest, is the 650 you mention under your warranty or is the owner 'self warranting'?
If they were asking you to put a warranty on the car, would you request these items were replaced our would a disclaimer be introduced as pre existing faults and therefore exempt from a claim?
Sorry for the questions, but as much info about McLarens reliability or issues is fantastic information for current and future owners weighing up whether to warranty or self warranty.
My 650 had the same issue with a damper on its 3rd annual service and again last year on its 4th...if i did not have a warranty i would be looking to keep an eye on it to see if it actually worsened....in both cases, it in no way affected the car at all. It seemed a bit extreme to replace at £3k a time for slight signs of damp.
However, i am seriously weighing up if i extend the warranty again in late October at a £4700 cost or just put the money into a car maintenance account.
As per your videos Thorney it has been very reliable, with no issues since last Octobers warranty extension.
This particular owner is self warranting (is that a word If they were asking you to put a warranty on the car, would you request these items were replaced our would a disclaimer be introduced as pre existing faults and therefore exempt from a claim?
Sorry for the questions, but as much info about McLarens reliability or issues is fantastic information for current and future owners weighing up whether to warranty or self warranty.
My 650 had the same issue with a damper on its 3rd annual service and again last year on its 4th...if i did not have a warranty i would be looking to keep an eye on it to see if it actually worsened....in both cases, it in no way affected the car at all. It seemed a bit extreme to replace at £3k a time for slight signs of damp.
However, i am seriously weighing up if i extend the warranty again in late October at a £4700 cost or just put the money into a car maintenance account.
As per your videos Thorney it has been very reliable, with no issues since last Octobers warranty extension.
) but he owns another Mclaren as well so knows the drill. Had he asked for a warranty from us we would simply exclude those items from cover as prexisting issues, but as I said, they may well be fine for decades yet. A lot of the early warranty stories were from dealers taking the mick a bit and Mclaren not policing the system at all, stories of cars with 3 gearboxes simply meant to me that the issue wasnt sorted the first time but at the time Mclarne just kept paying out money and dealers just carried on claiming, its different now!
650spider said:
Out of interest, is the 650 you mention under your warranty or is the owner 'self warranting'?
If they were asking you to put a warranty on the car, would you request these items were replaced our would a disclaimer be introduced as pre existing faults and therefore exempt from a claim?
Sorry for the questions, but as much info about McLarens reliability or issues is fantastic information for current and future owners weighing up whether to warranty or self warranty.
My 650 had the same issue with a damper on its 3rd annual service and again last year on its 4th...if i did not have a warranty i would be looking to keep an eye on it to see if it actually worsened....in both cases, it in no way affected the car at all. It seemed a bit extreme to replace at £3k a time for slight signs of damp.
However, i am seriously weighing up if i extend the warranty again in late October at a £4700 cost or just put the money into a car maintenance account.
As per your videos Thorney it has been very reliable, with no issues since last Octobers warranty extension.
Super Series 5+ warranty cost has now risen from £4700 to £4981! If they were asking you to put a warranty on the car, would you request these items were replaced our would a disclaimer be introduced as pre existing faults and therefore exempt from a claim?
Sorry for the questions, but as much info about McLarens reliability or issues is fantastic information for current and future owners weighing up whether to warranty or self warranty.
My 650 had the same issue with a damper on its 3rd annual service and again last year on its 4th...if i did not have a warranty i would be looking to keep an eye on it to see if it actually worsened....in both cases, it in no way affected the car at all. It seemed a bit extreme to replace at £3k a time for slight signs of damp.
However, i am seriously weighing up if i extend the warranty again in late October at a £4700 cost or just put the money into a car maintenance account.
As per your videos Thorney it has been very reliable, with no issues since last Octobers warranty extension.
Thorney said:
We do record a lot of data on every car we see, each car has appox 50 pictures taken of every angle and every issue we see and stored in its own encrypted folder, it allows us to build up a complete history of every car which is hugely valuable for the owner and any news owner.
To give you an example, we had a 650 in this week, we serviced it last year and last year we noted there was some weeping from an oil seal and one shock had a slight misting. We advised the owner at the time that they didnt need replacing but to just keep an eye out. Fast forward to this week and we note the same misting/leak and we were able to compare the item to the images we took 12 months ago to see if it had got any worse (it hadnt) so we carry on advising to keep an eye. This kind of history is crucial for long term ownership of these cars we think.
That seems a very practical approach to looking after a vehicle, rather than being advised by a manufactured service centre that all needs replacing. In some cases also being told sorry sir we only replace them in pairs! To give you an example, we had a 650 in this week, we serviced it last year and last year we noted there was some weeping from an oil seal and one shock had a slight misting. We advised the owner at the time that they didnt need replacing but to just keep an eye out. Fast forward to this week and we note the same misting/leak and we were able to compare the item to the images we took 12 months ago to see if it had got any worse (it hadnt) so we carry on advising to keep an eye. This kind of history is crucial for long term ownership of these cars we think.
Out of do you look after any of Alistar Bols stock? I notice his 12c advert says the car comes with a 12 month warranty, just doesn't say who.
GT4RS said:
That seems a very practical approach to looking after a vehicle, rather than being advised by a manufactured service centre that all needs replacing. In some cases also being told sorry sir we only replace them in pairs!
Out of do you look after any of Alistar Bols stock? I notice his 12c advert says the car comes with a 12 month warranty, just doesn't say who.
When i spoke to AB before, it appeared that with his previous McLaren connections he used the same aftermarket warranty company that supplies the McLaren extended warranty...i do not know if it was as comprehensive or what limits compared to going via McLaren.Out of do you look after any of Alistar Bols stock? I notice his 12c advert says the car comes with a 12 month warranty, just doesn't say who.
However, after 12mths it could not be extended like the McLaren warranty...you would then have to get an inspection if you wanted a Thorney or McLaren warranty, if indeed that was the route you chose.
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