Discussion
Blenheimorange said:
Agree they don't compete at same level. Want to see Chris Harris do a Top Gear track lap time with the Artura to see where it sits. Has anyone seen how much front trunk space Artura has? SF90 has none, well perhaps enough for a woman's handbag.
I think I saw it's a similar volume to 570S and Mclaren claim an even better packaging. Frunk has always been very impressive in the macs. Blenheimorange said:
garystoybox said:
Are you daft? The SF90 has 1000 horse power and is in a different league altogether from a performance point of view.
Agree they don't compete at same level. Want to see Chris Harris do a Top Gear track lap time with the Artura to see where it sits. Has anyone seen how much front trunk space Artura has? SF90 has none, well perhaps enough for a woman's handbag. My point is not however related to performance, one is a demonstration of Ferrari tech knowhow and along comes McLaren with a practical everyday BASE model that does it all better.
Taffy66 said:
The new Artura is absolutely stunning both inside and outside. The tech is also very impressive and makes all new Ferraris seem outdated and boring in comparison.
Overall I would agree. I think they got a lot more right than wrong on the Artura.I watched a couple of the vlogs and think Henry / Carfection did the nicest job.
Also just posted up a blog on my first impressions coming out of the launch event.
johnnyreggae
Except the McLaren is about 20 % lighter
No front motors, or torque vectoring in the Artura, plus smaller displacement (but higher headline power) ICE. Wonder what the front to rear balance is like? Lots of similarities, perhaps due to a common approach in the initial design phase. Wren't Honda and McLaren collaborating 5 or so years ago (maybe more) on a hybrid drivetrain project, or is that something that didn't get off the ground?
I like the Artura from what has been published - seems to be a similar but perhaps lower complexity reinterpretation of the NSX, which is probably a good thing.
With both cars, I would have wanted a longer EV-only range, as future legislation may become an issue.
Except the McLaren is about 20 % lighter
No front motors, or torque vectoring in the Artura, plus smaller displacement (but higher headline power) ICE. Wonder what the front to rear balance is like? Lots of similarities, perhaps due to a common approach in the initial design phase. Wren't Honda and McLaren collaborating 5 or so years ago (maybe more) on a hybrid drivetrain project, or is that something that didn't get off the ground?
I like the Artura from what has been published - seems to be a similar but perhaps lower complexity reinterpretation of the NSX, which is probably a good thing.
With both cars, I would have wanted a longer EV-only range, as future legislation may become an issue.
dobly said:
johnnyreggae
Except the McLaren is about 20 % lighter
No front motors, or torque vectoring in the Artura, plus smaller displacement (but higher headline power) ICE. Wonder what the front to rear balance is like? Lots of similarities, perhaps due to a common approach in the initial design phase. Wren't Honda and McLaren collaborating 5 or so years ago (maybe more) on a hybrid drivetrain project, or is that something that didn't get off the ground?
I like the Artura from what has been published - seems to be a similar but perhaps lower complexity reinterpretation of the NSX, which is probably a good thing.
With both cars, I would have wanted a longer EV-only range, as future legislation may become an issue.
Yes I too like it, but the battery should have been bigger to give it a bigger range - it one of the main complaints of the NSX and that came out 4 years ago. I am sure the newer versions will address this.Except the McLaren is about 20 % lighter
No front motors, or torque vectoring in the Artura, plus smaller displacement (but higher headline power) ICE. Wonder what the front to rear balance is like? Lots of similarities, perhaps due to a common approach in the initial design phase. Wren't Honda and McLaren collaborating 5 or so years ago (maybe more) on a hybrid drivetrain project, or is that something that didn't get off the ground?
I like the Artura from what has been published - seems to be a similar but perhaps lower complexity reinterpretation of the NSX, which is probably a good thing.
With both cars, I would have wanted a longer EV-only range, as future legislation may become an issue.
123RY said:
I think I saw it's a similar volume to 570S and Mclaren claim an even better packaging. Frunk has always been very impressive in the macs.
Great news that it has the practicalities sorted. SF90 has an electric motor for the front wheels there so crazy shallow Frunk. Used to travel a lot with my 720 so space essential. ras62 said:
The Ferrari has an advantage off the line due to 4wd but after that the advantage would be negligible as its a much heavier car.
My point is not however related to performance, one is a demonstration of Ferrari tech knowhow and along comes McLaren with a practical everyday BASE model that does it all better.
I think around that track, the relative lightness might give the SF90 a run for the money at nearly half the retail price. My point is not however related to performance, one is a demonstration of Ferrari tech knowhow and along comes McLaren with a practical everyday BASE model that does it all better.
On tech and design I agree macs lead Ferrari. Not bad for a 10 year old company and glad it didn't end up like Dutton (which incidentally had a P1) and the others.
http://www.classic-kitcars.com/images/imgtxt/700/1...
Pity the build quality and after sale has been sub parr experience for many. Hope they sort themselves out.
Edited by Blenheimorange on Thursday 18th February 11:37
12pack said:
I love hybrids - double the business for my semiconductor chip company - but I wonder if I wouldn’t have preferred a version with just that smaller, lighter 577 hp V6 and 115kg less of batteries and electric motor.
After 2030 it will be impossibly to sell in the UK.Edited by 12pack on Wednesday 17th February 20:45
Hybrid is the way to move forward.
But I agree otherwise. But the added engine will probably make the car quicker.
I think McLaren has missed an opportunity with the Artura. Instead of producing another run of the mill quick sports car, this time with a V6 hybrid, they should have gone “all in” with the Artura. Porsche have done it with the Taycan and thereby future-proofed their range for the Porsche customer who wants electric. McLaren should have done the same. The Artura is neither here nor there.
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