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DMZ said:
I’m sure the chip shortages also provide a very useful excuse when needed for smaller companies doing new drivetrains.
It's a problem for the big players too, Nissan's Ariya's now looking like 3rd Qtr 2022, Volvo have a notice on their site mentioning chip shortages as an issue. Shame, the Artura's a stunning car, but it's only delayed not canned.
MclaesLaren said:
Any news on the Artura? Lead times and pricing?
There have been quite a few on the roads around Woking in the past few weeks. Seen lots of photos. Apparently the software issues have been resolved and the cars on the road are being tested with the updates. No news on when they will be ready though. I sat in one last year that was out and about driving round Woking and it looked pretty finished inside and out and very impressive. Just a shame the issues are not sorted yet and incredible that Lotus can get the Emira out before the Artura. r o n n i e said:
Streetbeat said:
Bispal said:
incredible that Lotus can get the Emira out before the Artura.
Shame they decided to try and keep the software in house rather than give it to the outfit that did Lotus software/electronics.Bispal said:
It is well known that McLaren lured dozens of Lotus engineers when they developed the P11 cars (12C-675LT) and that following McLarens financial woes many went back to Lotus in the past 24 months meaning many experts were lost by McLaren to Lotus.
McLaren poached Lotus staff.Those staff then ran back to Lotus.
Sounds like reasons for the companies not to like each other very much.
The Emira is a relatively straightforward evolution of the Evora, with updated electronics from Geely.
The Artura is a completely new drive train - far more complex to develop I would have thought, and without the supporting technology of a huge parent company.
The Artura is a long term play, the Emira is a "last gasp" ICE stopgap.
I think they will both be excellent cars.
The Artura is a completely new drive train - far more complex to develop I would have thought, and without the supporting technology of a huge parent company.
The Artura is a long term play, the Emira is a "last gasp" ICE stopgap.
I think they will both be excellent cars.
Bispal said:
Don't be so sure. Artura's have been spotted at the Hethel test track for extended periods. Its not surprising as McLarens current chassis guru is none other than Matt Becker, ex Lotus handling guru as was his father Roger. There is a lot of crossover between McLaren and Lotus. It is well known that McLaren lured dozens of Lotus engineers when they developed the P11 cars (12C-675LT) and that following McLarens financial woes many went back to Lotus in the past 24 months meaning many experts were lost by McLaren to Lotus. Its not a big leap to assume Matt Becker needed Lotus's help to fine tune the Artura's chassis dynamics, which were believed to be woeful and mostly down to software issues.
Matt Becker didn’t actually join McLaren in the end though IIRC. He went from Lotus to Aston Martin and is now at JLR.Mezzanine said:
Bispal said:
Don't be so sure. Artura's have been spotted at the Hethel test track for extended periods. Its not surprising as McLarens current chassis guru is none other than Matt Becker, ex Lotus handling guru as was his father Roger. There is a lot of crossover between McLaren and Lotus. It is well known that McLaren lured dozens of Lotus engineers when they developed the P11 cars (12C-675LT) and that following McLarens financial woes many went back to Lotus in the past 24 months meaning many experts were lost by McLaren to Lotus. Its not a big leap to assume Matt Becker needed Lotus's help to fine tune the Artura's chassis dynamics, which were believed to be woeful and mostly down to software issues.
Matt Becker didn’t actually join McLaren in the end though IIRC. He went from Lotus to Aston Martin and is now at JLR.r o n n i e said:
They started last season with it emblazoned on the rear wing:
That pic is from the season ending Abu Dhabi Grand Prix which was less than 4 months ago.Having said that, the Artura has been subject to repeated delays - some of which has been down to issues at McLaren (software) and some from external factors (COVID and semiconductor shortage). I think it was originally supposed to go on sale in October 2020 before being delayed to June 2021, then by the end of 2021, then Q2 2022 and finally to July 2022.
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