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Cold said:
Autocar's Matt Saunders drives one of the pre-production cars at the recent launch in Spain. It's a bit wordy, but gives a reasonable impression of an early car. Keep watching for the information given at the end of the video about the adventures of some of the other launch cars.
Direct link to youtube:
https://youtu.be/BnRfavW3k2E
Is it just me or does that V6 sound like it has the same pitch no matter the revs? And no turbos sounds? Almost like its synthesized....Direct link to youtube:
https://youtu.be/BnRfavW3k2E
The torque fill down low sounds good in principle - though doesn't seem like it has the shove of my DD monster EV. E-diff seems like a step forward?
OMG if this is the future then its no wonder current non electric supercars are fetching crazy used car prices.
Electrification and GPFs etc are killing the fun and point of having a supercar.
May as well go buy a Tesla, pipe and slippers
Supercar sales are really going to struggle IMHO
Electrification and GPFs etc are killing the fun and point of having a supercar.
May as well go buy a Tesla, pipe and slippers
Supercar sales are really going to struggle IMHO
Not if you want to drive them in city centres. Pure fossil fuel cars may well all be banned in City Centres within next decade. I do not think 12-15 miles is enough e range. Also the pre production cars at these tests were having usual Mcl reliability issues. Cooling being the main issue on track test. I agree makes older modern classic models like 12c/650s very attractive for now.
Would never dream of driving a Supercar through any city centre. There are much more suitable and more discreet cars for that environment. Never driven a Supercar which was happy driving at less than 30mph in heavy traffic due to low ground clearance, poor visibility and width etc etc
I watched an Evo review and at the end the reviewer said the Artura cars suffered from reliability issues, in one instance requiring the driver to hastily depart the vehicle. The review, in summary, said by a 720s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZi11uyxk28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZi11uyxk28
Taffy66 said:
Would never dream of driving a Supercar through any city centre. There are much more suitable and more discreet cars for that environment. Never driven a Supercar which was happy driving at less than 30mph in heavy traffic due to low ground clearance, poor visibility and width etc etc
I'm with you on that, I have no idea why anyone would choose to drive a supercar in a city, in and out if you live there or through but not as a choice. I never once took my 12C or 675LT into London in 6 years of ownership, instead I take my current banger (17yo Subaru Forester current banger in residence) why would I take a supercar? This is why the hybrid / BEV supercar makes no real sense as they are not city cars. And people who live in cities live, mostly, in flats so can't even charge BEV's.
I must add that when I do get stuck in heavy traffic the 675LT is fine, no issues under 30mph, great visibility, smooth gearbox and easy to drive.
R8Reece said:
I watched an Evo review and at the end the reviewer said the Artura cars suffered from reliability issues, in one instance requiring the driver to hastily depart the vehicle. The review, in summary, said by a 720s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZi11uyxk28
Yes one Artura caught fire. They're pre production cars "almost" ready as far as I'm aware. This is chance for a complete "reset." Please do not mess it up Mcl. I'll be honest most owners wouldn't be able to drive hard like these hacks have. Top Gear not mentioning the reliability issues on track truly awful. Barely watch that channel now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZi11uyxk28
Desert Dragon said:
Yes one Artura caught fire. They're pre production cars "almost" ready as far as I'm aware. This is chance for a complete "reset." Please do not mess it up Mcl. I'll be honest most owners wouldn't be able to drive hard like these hacks have. Top Gear not mentioning the reliability issues on track truly awful. Barely watch that channel now.
If the cars aren't full production I can understand reliability issues not being mentioned.However why, after so much criticism about reliability (unfounded or not), would you provide pre-production cars to hacks?
Edited by R8Reece on Thursday 16th June 13:35
Desert Dragon said:
Not if you want to drive them in city centres. Pure fossil fuel cars may well all be banned in City Centres within next decade. I do not think 12-15 miles is enough e range. Also the pre production cars at these tests were having usual Mcl reliability issues. Cooling being the main issue on track test. I agree makes older modern classic models like 12c/650s very attractive for now.
It’s crazy isn’t it this rush to ban things before we know what’s what. Same happened with diesels - wasn’t that long ago they were the environment option.
Now it turns out all the heavy batteries in EVs cause 2,000 times more pollution than exhaust fumes …
https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/0...
Bispal said:
Taffy66 said:
Would never dream of driving a Supercar through any city centre. There are much more suitable and more discreet cars for that environment. Never driven a Supercar which was happy driving at less than 30mph in heavy traffic due to low ground clearance, poor visibility and width etc etc
I'm with you on that, I have no idea why anyone would choose to drive a supercar in a city, in and out if you live there or through but not as a choice. I never once took my 12C or 675LT into London in 6 years of ownership, instead I take my current banger (17yo Subaru Forester current banger in residence) why would I take a supercar? This is why the hybrid / BEV supercar makes no real sense as they are not city cars. And people who live in cities live, mostly, in flats so can't even charge BEV's.
I must add that when I do get stuck in heavy traffic the 675LT is fine, no issues under 30mph, great visibility, smooth gearbox and easy to drive.
;-)
r o n n i e said:
Desert Dragon said:
Not if you want to drive them in city centres. Pure fossil fuel cars may well all be banned in City Centres within next decade. I do not think 12-15 miles is enough e range. Also the pre production cars at these tests were having usual Mcl reliability issues. Cooling being the main issue on track test. I agree makes older modern classic models like 12c/650s very attractive for now.
It’s crazy isn’t it this rush to ban things before we know what’s what. Same happened with diesels - wasn’t that long ago they were the environment option.
Now it turns out all the heavy batteries in EVs cause 2,000 times more pollution than exhaust fumes …
https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/0...
Compare that to John Smith who buys a new car on finance every 2 to 3 years carbon footprint. My carbon footprint tiny compared to John Smith and his Tesla etc. I have np if someone wants an EV and prefers say due to very high current fuel price. Please do not tell us its climate change friendly. Still nice to see supercar manufactures playing the game. All they can do is play the game in front of them.
r o n n i e said:
Bispal said:
Taffy66 said:
Would never dream of driving a Supercar through any city centre. There are much more suitable and more discreet cars for that environment. Never driven a Supercar which was happy driving at less than 30mph in heavy traffic due to low ground clearance, poor visibility and width etc etc
I'm with you on that, I have no idea why anyone would choose to drive a supercar in a city, in and out if you live there or through but not as a choice. I never once took my 12C or 675LT into London in 6 years of ownership, instead I take my current banger (17yo Subaru Forester current banger in residence) why would I take a supercar? This is why the hybrid / BEV supercar makes no real sense as they are not city cars. And people who live in cities live, mostly, in flats so can't even charge BEV's.
I must add that when I do get stuck in heavy traffic the 675LT is fine, no issues under 30mph, great visibility, smooth gearbox and easy to drive.
;-)
That will be the first time ever and its such a lovely event. A total one off and of course there is parking. See you there? R8Reece said:
If the cars are full production I can understand reliability issues not being mentioned.
However why, after so much criticism about reliability (unfounded or not), would you provide pre-production cars to hacks?
Purely speculative, but desperation to get it out there, its already a year late and Mclarens future most likely hangs in the balance on its success seeing as its the architecture of future cars.However why, after so much criticism about reliability (unfounded or not), would you provide pre-production cars to hacks?
I cant see they have faired well over the last year punting out the odd new 720's, 620R, Senna, Speedtail etc and dealers relying on 2nd hand car sales.
R8Reece said:
Desert Dragon said:
Yes one Artura caught fire. They're pre production cars "almost" ready as far as I'm aware. This is chance for a complete "reset." Please do not mess it up Mcl. I'll be honest most owners wouldn't be able to drive hard like these hacks have. Top Gear not mentioning the reliability issues on track truly awful. Barely watch that channel now.
If the cars are full production I can understand reliability issues not being mentioned.However why, after so much criticism about reliability (unfounded or not), would you provide pre-production cars to hacks?
If McLaren are presenting something as ‘finished’ and it goes wrong then it should absolutely be mentioned as it is representative of what the public will be spending their money on.
I understand they are desperate to get the car to market but proving the press with something negative to talk about on the first drives really is a gun/foot interface.
The Emira launch suffered the same thing - giving journo’s oddly specced cars for the situations they were driving them in and not giving the car its best shot to shine on its first drive.
Mezzanine said:
Why would you not mention reliability issues if they were full production cars? If anything I would be more inclined to ignore problems on pre-pro cars.
If McLaren are presenting something as ‘finished’ and it goes wrong then it should absolutely be mentioned as it is representative of what the public will be spending their money on.
I understand they are desperate to get the car to market but proving the press with something negative to talk about on the first drives really is a gun/foot interface.
The Emira launch suffered the same thing - giving journo’s oddly specced cars for the situations they were driving them in and not giving the car its best shot to shine on its first drive.
Sorry, meant "were not full production cars". If McLaren are presenting something as ‘finished’ and it goes wrong then it should absolutely be mentioned as it is representative of what the public will be spending their money on.
I understand they are desperate to get the car to market but proving the press with something negative to talk about on the first drives really is a gun/foot interface.
The Emira launch suffered the same thing - giving journo’s oddly specced cars for the situations they were driving them in and not giving the car its best shot to shine on its first drive.
R8Reece said:
Sorry, meant "were not full production cars".
I call BS. First of all, I haven't seen that mentioned in any of the reviews. Second, even if it was true, what a BS way to set up a test. The cars have no problems? Great. Cars have problems? It's just because they were pre-production - all problems will be fixed! It's like yeah, with this excuse any car, no matter how terrible, will always be perfect. As far as I am concerned if you are given a car to review, you should always rate it as if it was the exact car that the customer will be getting. If the manufacturer gives you a pre-production car with issues, that's their problem. Entertaining this sort of BS just means we'll be getting more of it in the future.
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