Discussion
Isebac said:
I call BS. First of all, I haven't seen that mentioned in any of the reviews. Second, even if it was true, what a BS way to set up a test. The cars have no problems? Great. Cars have problems? It's just because they were pre-production - all problems will be fixed! It's like yeah, with this excuse any car, no matter how terrible, will always be perfect.
As far as I am concerned if you are given a car to review, you should always rate it as if it was the exact car that the customer will be getting. If the manufacturer gives you a pre-production car with issues, that's their problem. Entertaining this sort of BS just means we'll be getting more of it in the future.
Well watch the last 60 seconds of the Evo vid I posted earlier - the comments are at the end. As far as I am concerned if you are given a car to review, you should always rate it as if it was the exact car that the customer will be getting. If the manufacturer gives you a pre-production car with issues, that's their problem. Entertaining this sort of BS just means we'll be getting more of it in the future.
If it's BS, Evo, as a well respected exotic car magazine would be opening themselves up to some very easy criticism. Besides, what motivation would they have to lie about something like that?
Streetbeat said:
R8Reece said:
If the cars are full production I can understand reliability issues not being mentioned.
However why, after so much criticism about reliability (unfounded or not), would you provide pre-production cars to hacks?
Purely speculative, but desperation to get it out there, its already a year late and Mclarens future most likely hangs in the balance on its success seeing as its the architecture of future cars.However why, after so much criticism about reliability (unfounded or not), would you provide pre-production cars to hacks?
I cant see they have faired well over the last year punting out the odd new 720's, 620R, Senna, Speedtail etc and dealers relying on 2nd hand car sales.
I'm worried, this new model has had an extra 2 years to get right. We don't know the circumstances of the one which caught fire, but I guess they were extreme. What the heck are McLaren dealers supposed to sell these days? Saying this it sounds nice and probably goes like stink and is an awesome drive. I am sure any feeling of the car being held back is to save the extra beans for the next model. Plus, since when has anyone with a McLaren said it's too slow?
Let's hope the UK road tests for the Artura go well. In 20,000 miles my 570GT has not caused me any real issue, the only technical fault being the rear hatch not latching once when the weather was cold, which solved itself. It goes for it's 5 year service and MOT shortly, the list of extra things to look at = none.
Let's hope the UK road tests for the Artura go well. In 20,000 miles my 570GT has not caused me any real issue, the only technical fault being the rear hatch not latching once when the weather was cold, which solved itself. It goes for it's 5 year service and MOT shortly, the list of extra things to look at = none.
targarama said:
I'm worried, this new model has had an extra 2 years to get right.
I think it is that delay plus the fact that (according to one of the reports) every single car tested at the event had problems is why it is being highlighted in the reviews.How bad was the reliability if this is the result after they have had an extra 2 years to iron out the faults?
ralphrj said:
targarama said:
I'm worried, this new model has had an extra 2 years to get right.
I think it is that delay plus the fact that (according to one of the reports) every single car tested at the event had problems is why it is being highlighted in the reviews.How bad was the reliability if this is the result after they have had an extra 2 years to iron out the faults?
This is an important car for McLaren as a business so getting it right first time is good for customer confidence.
Whilst it’s two years late, I imagine they had some delays with the test programme so I doubt they have actually worked on it for two extra years.
Mezzanine said:
ralphrj said:
targarama said:
I'm worried, this new model has had an extra 2 years to get right.
I think it is that delay plus the fact that (according to one of the reports) every single car tested at the event had problems is why it is being highlighted in the reviews.How bad was the reliability if this is the result after they have had an extra 2 years to iron out the faults?
This is an important car for McLaren as a business so getting it right first time is good for customer confidence.
Whilst it’s two years late, I imagine they had some delays with the test programme so I doubt they have actually worked on it for two extra years.
targarama said:
Mezzanine said:
ralphrj said:
targarama said:
I'm worried, this new model has had an extra 2 years to get right.
I think it is that delay plus the fact that (according to one of the reports) every single car tested at the event had problems is why it is being highlighted in the reviews.How bad was the reliability if this is the result after they have had an extra 2 years to iron out the faults?
This is an important car for McLaren as a business so getting it right first time is good for customer confidence.
Whilst it’s two years late, I imagine they had some delays with the test programme so I doubt they have actually worked on it for two extra years.
From a neutral outsiders perspective I think McLaren have dropped a huge ball with the whole Artura project and it still amazes me that an organisation with that much skill (and previously money) can make such fundamental errors.
Yeah, I love McLaren, but don't accept silly excuses. They are not TVR!
Why didn't McLaren announce an Artura and am Artura S model at the same time, which adds 80hp/torque or whatever from more batteries/engine tuning, more aggressive etc. They must have some ability to turn up the wick a bit in this new model. I know they like their LT models, but these are usually run-out models, do it now, keep the dealerships alive with something to sell!
Why didn't McLaren announce an Artura and am Artura S model at the same time, which adds 80hp/torque or whatever from more batteries/engine tuning, more aggressive etc. They must have some ability to turn up the wick a bit in this new model. I know they like their LT models, but these are usually run-out models, do it now, keep the dealerships alive with something to sell!
I thought the Artura looked much better in real life than it does in pictures
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