765 v 675 just... wow

[Bispal]

12pack said:

91173RS said:

We’re all different I guess. Damp, cold, bumpy roads aren’t the ideal conditions for a 675LT. Of course you can still have fun, but I think I’d have more fun without the constant flickering of the traction control light.

It’s a mute point anyway as “half the power” buttons don’t exist.

Enjoy in good health.

But that’s the point. Not just the 675, Macs have linear and predictable throttle response. From your description of flickering lights either you or the cars you are used to don’t. My V12V sure doesn’t.

Plenty of MX5s available if you just want to pedal-metal.

Exactly 12pack. And my point was the traction control will save you if it has too but even on damp bumpy roads I barely get any traction issues or lights on appropriate tyres (MPS4S) and appropriate use of the throttle in the 675LT. An MX5 also needs good tyres to get traction this time of year, or use cheaper tyres for plenty of low speed fun, but amazing how modern tyres and good aftermarket suspension will keep an MX5 on the straight and narrow. My E46 traction light comes on all the time at the moment, probably a symptom of older systems even on new MPS4.

[Wheelspinning]

Bispal said:

12pack said:

91173RS said:

We’re all different I guess. Damp, cold, bumpy roads aren’t the ideal conditions for a 675LT. Of course you can still have fun, but I think I’d have more fun without the constant flickering of the traction control light.

It’s a mute point anyway as “half the power” buttons don’t exist.

Enjoy in good health.

But that’s the point. Not just the 675, Macs have linear and predictable throttle response. From your description of flickering lights either you or the cars you are used to don’t. My V12V sure doesn’t.

Plenty of MX5s available if you just want to pedal-metal.

Exactly 12pack. And my point was the traction control will save you if it has too but even on damp bumpy roads I barely get any traction issues or lights on appropriate tyres (MPS4S) and appropriate use of the throttle in the 675LT. An MX5 also needs good tyres to get traction this time of year, or use cheaper tyres for plenty of low speed fun, but amazing how modern tyres and good aftermarket suspension will keep an MX5 on the straight and narrow. My E46 traction light comes on all the time at the moment, probably a symptom of older systems even on new MPS4.

Like you Bispal, my 675 is no garage queen.

I use mines as much as possible in glorious sunshine through to torrential rain, and we have some of the most amazing roads up here to use it on.

Its such a rare occasion to get the traction lights flickering on the dash; last time was maybe a month ago on the motorway during biblical rain and coming across a rather large section of standing water which resulted in a moment or two of aquaplaning and nearly filling my pants.

I never understood the bhp button fitted to the Noble 600; why on earth would you ever have it turned to the lower setting?

Regards to McLarens, I generally am in the track / manual for powertrain, but comfort for suspension.

Again, same as you Bispal, I don't track my 675; I get more than enough enjoyment using it as often as possible on the road, even if it is just to collect a takeaway!

[123RY]

Curledge said:

Yes but the unique hydraulic suspension means they are also the best "track" car on the road

You certainly seem well versed in Mclarens. Much experience in any?

[Bispal]

Wheelspinning said:

Like you Bispal, my 675 is no garage queen.

I use mines as much as possible in glorious sunshine through to torrential rain, and we have some of the most amazing roads up here to use it on.

Its such a rare occasion to get the traction lights flickering on the dash; last time was maybe a month ago on the motorway during biblical rain and coming across a rather large section of standing water which resulted in a moment or two of aquaplaning and nearly filling my pants.

I never understood the bhp button fitted to the Noble 600; why on earth would you ever have it turned to the lower setting?

Regards to McLarens, I generally am in the track / manual for powertrain, but comfort for suspension.

Again, same as you Bispal, I don't track my 675; I get more than enough enjoyment using it as often as possible on the road, even if it is just to collect a takeaway!

Yes, the traction only really flickers if there is mud on the road! Mine gets used all year round, no idea how some owners tuck them away for the winter, or any car for that matter.

I almost always drive in sport (P) and comfort (H) unless the road is bumpy then I up the handling to sport as the firmer setting reduces grounding out. However its just the 10mm plastic front lip that hits the road, I am thinking of removing it as I have underbody protection anyway. I don't use track on the powertrain as you lose the whip cracks but you do get inertia pull so in track the gearchanges thrust you backwards into you seat! Depends on your mood. However the best setting is sport / sport and ESC DYN (traction partially off) this gives you full torque as the 675LT is torque limited in lower gears and it makes a big difference in the dry, it pulls even harder, you would need to be brave to use it in the winter thought unless it was a very nice day. The 675LT (and all McLarens for that) are some of the only cars I have driven where if you change the settings it really makes a difference and unlike many other cars the powertrain and handling can be tuned independently, which is a big bonus as many cars you have to suffer rock hard suspension to get the best engine map.

What colour / spec is yours and how long have you had it?

[91173RS]

On a cold wet day with MSP4’s on the car will lose traction very easily. Anyway it’s a fantastic car, I’ve tracked mine many times and done a few Euro trips where you can tag the tits off it all day long. 12,000 miles and counting.

[Rocketreid]

Bispal said:

91173RS - very true from all the owners I know.

As for not seeing many on track i think as glynnsport said most owners track them regularly just on mclaren trackdays and other closed track days. Not me though i must admit mines just for the road.

I have to say from my experience of the higher end ( more expensive usually ) of Pure McLaren, Greystone etc you do get ample McLarens along but are they being tracked or just driven round ?

Not to say that some folks don’t track them and you rarely see a Ferrari or a Lamborghini on track

However on last years Pure Mac and the Greystone/Pirelli days while there were a number of Macs in the pits not many owners went out on track and of those that did they were only driven very sedately around Silverstone. Plenty of Cappuccino’s being drank though.

Exceptions were a 620R and a 765LT and the manufacturer supplied vehicles.

No surprise I guess, as unless you are experienced why would you push a £200k car on track even if the cars can easily cope.

Edited by Rocketreid on Tuesday 4th January 14:02

[GlynnsportRacing]

A couple of comments from me:
The throttle response on the 675LT is linear providing you're linear & progressive with your inputs - do note though that the turbo mapping isn't linear & if you're over ambitious with the throttle it can catch you out & the TC won't always save you - the laws of physics will take over. If your tyres aren't properly warmed up & you get too enthusiastic with the throttle or cornering speed you will see the TC light come on almost irrespective of conditions.

Rocketreid I guess we must have met as I coach owners on all the Greystone days & indeed the Pirelli & Pure days you refer to. BTW, I can assure you that the guys I coach in Macs don't hang about when on track

[Terminator X]

All that power and under 1400kg just makes me laugh out loud! Nuts

In the first pull though the blue car was not trying imho as the camera car was easily keeping up.

TX.

[davelise]

The thread has drifted a bit but as a relatively new 675 owner here too I will add my tuppence.

I think the brilliance of it is that it can be enjoyed at almost any speed. I am simply not a good enough driver to really differentiate on how it feels on the limit vs say a 720 or a GT3 RS. I bought as I prefer the drive and the looks to a 720 which was the other serious contender (I’m lucky enough to drive a 911 as well so having an RS too didn’t make much sense). It hopefully is not a financially ruinous decision either.

However, something I don’t think has been mentioned is it simply made me feel better driving it - that cannot be quantified and entirely subjective, but features highly in the buying decision and far more so than a tenth or two to 60, a lap time I’m never going to get close to or a newer car I can’t afford!

I do wish it would ground out a little less though…

[Rocketreid]

GlynnsportRacing said:

A couple of comments from me:
The throttle response on the 675LT is linear providing you're linear & progressive with your inputs - do note though that the turbo mapping isn't linear & if you're over ambitious with the throttle it can catch you out & the TC won't always save you - the laws of physics will take over. If your tyres aren't properly warmed up & you get too enthusiastic with the throttle or cornering speed you will see the TC light come on almost irrespective of conditions.

Rocketreid I guess we must have met as I coach owners on all the Greystone days & indeed the Pirelli & Pure days you refer to. BTW, I can assure you that the guys I coach in Macs don't hang about when on track

Yes quite possibly, I think you may been in a 620R, going pretty quick !

Actually my statements were a bit tongue in cheek but certainly some truth in them.

Imo you can not enjoy a Supercar solely using it on road unless driving round Knightsbridge is your thing, so tracking it occasionally makes sense

However there were only a handful of folks on those days who did many laps and at least to me appeared pretty steady with a few exceptions. Perhaps more about the ambiance for some

Edited by Rocketreid on Tuesday 4th January 20:40

[Bispal]

Rocketreid said:

Yes quite possibly, I think you may been in a 620R, going pretty quick !

Actually my statements were a bit tongue in cheek but certainly some truth in them.

Imo you can not enjoy a Supercar solely using it on road unless driving round Knightsbridge is your thing, so tracking it occasionally makes sense

However there were only a handful of folks on those days who did many laps and at least to me appeared pretty steady with a few exceptions. Perhaps more about the ambiance for some

Edited by Rocketreid on Tuesday 4th January 20:40

Many people, including Davelise above and myself, enjoy their supercars solely on the road. I have no intention of tracking mine but get immense pleasure from driving it on the road so you don't need a track them to enjoy them. However Glynnsport knows more about tracking these cars than anyone and if he says plenty of owners do go on track and track hard I would 100% believe him. I have never been to Knightsbridge or anywhere near central London in my 675LT, it lives mostly on B roads. Bruno Senna told me in the summer that he adores his 675LT and has no intention of ever selling it, he said, for him, its a better 'overall' driving experience than the Senna and he wouldn't even change it for 765LT that's why he has owned one from new as his personal car.

[12pack]

Since I added the Atom last year, indeed my 650 is unlikely to get back on track anytime soon. But every early weekend morning I enjoy a nice spirited drive on empty B road wide sweeping left-handlers with ESC off and tail hanging out at reasonable speeds in damp conditions. And if you keep on boost and are progressive it’s all very controlled and enjoyable. Could never do that in my V12 Vantage or F355.

Edited by 12pack on Wednesday 5th January 12:23

[Streetbeat]

Bispal said:

I have no intention of tracking mine

How come?

[Rocketreid]

[quote=Bispal]


Many people, including Davelise above and myself, enjoy their supercars solely on the road. I have no intention of tracking mine but get immense pleasure from driving it on the road so you don't need a track them to enjoy them. However Glynnsport knows more about tracking these cars than anyone and if he says plenty of owners do go on track and track hard I would 100% believe him. I have never been to Knightsbridge or anywhere near central London in my 675LT, it lives mostly on B roads. Bruno Senna told me in the summer that he adores his 675LT and has no intention of ever selling it, he said, for him, its a better 'overall' driving experience than the Senna and he wouldn't even change it for 765LT that's why he has owned one from new as his personal car.


No need to take it to heart,

Your car, do what you want but imo to fully enjoy and exploit them you need to go on track.

I didn’t disagree with Glynnsport !

For clarification and for what it’s worth I only commented on what I and the group i was with saw, on the 2 days we did at Silverstone

I Think this post has been hijacked enough so il just leave it there

Edited by Rocketreid on Wednesday 5th January 14:28

[Bispal]

Streetbeat said:

Bispal said:

I have no intention of tracking mine

How come?

After spending several years doing track days going round in circles got a bit samey. Also there are only 500 675LT coupes worldwide and 65% of the parts differ from the 650S and getting parts from McLaren is starring to become an issue. The last thing I want is to do some damage and have to wait 6 months for a wing or mirror or? Very occasionally I will do a track day (once a year) and when I do I take my Exige and its more of a social event for me to catch up with friends.

[Streetbeat]

Bispal said:

After spending several years doing track days going round in circles got a bit samey. Also there are only 500 675LT coupes worldwide and 65% of the parts differ from the 650S and getting parts from McLaren is starring to become an issue. The last thing I want is to do some damage and have to wait 6 months for a wing or mirror or? Very occasionally I will do a track day (once a year) and when I do I take my Exige and its more of a social event for me to catch up with friends.

Fair enough, probably like RR though, seems a bit of a waste to have what many consider to be the finest track focused example to come out of Mclaren only to use it on the road, where imho you are fair more likely to incur damage than a well organised track day, each to their own.

[Aventador 700]

A year on..

Thinking of changing my 720 for a 765lt but not been in one yet, not seen one on track either

I’m thinking of condensing my track car (AMG GTC/R) and 720 into one car that does both, so would need to be the spider.

Anyone made the move to the 765 from a 72- and got comments on the ride vs the 720?

[LotusJas]

Aventador 700 said:

A year on..

Thinking of changing my 720 for a 765lt but not been in one yet, not seen one on track either

I’m thinking of condensing my track car (AMG GTC/R) and 720 into one car that does both, so would need to be the spider.

Anyone made the move to the 765 from a 72- and got comments on the ride vs the 720?

Yes, I switched from 720S coupe to 765LT Spider.

The ride is much firmer, but not an issue at all.

For more detail on the LT see page 78 , and the preceding review for 720S.

https://issuu.com/thedriversunion/docs/1/78

[Aventador 700]

Thanks, great detailed info on the comparison

Went out in one briefly today and was quite impressed at the ride quality tbh

Thought the senna seats would be a no go due to my width but they were actually ok, far more padding than even the AMGs seats.

Surprised how much different it looks to the 720, much prefer its looks to the STO offering from Lambo.

Edited by Aventador 700 on Monday 27th February 21:44

[Aventador 700]

Quite happy with the coupe ride but i really want a spider, anyone know if they changed damper/springs for the spider making the ride worse, cant imagine it made much of a difference, even if they did but worth asking..