600 LT's with carbon louvred wings yet no carbon exterior?
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petjam said:
It is possible to tell when it was tuned.
Just because McLaren have put a warranty on it don't expect them to honour it. I speak from experience.
Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, your issue was with the quality of a newly delivered car which McLaren refused to rectify.Just because McLaren have put a warranty on it don't expect them to honour it. I speak from experience.
That's quite different to the situation being discussed here.
Unless you also had another car where they refused to honour the warranty for something.
Being able to detect it or not is one thing, but technical interrogation of the car isn't the only way. I would expect the selling dealer to stand behind the car if it was a McLaren Qualified car regardless of any warranty - they sold the car, they presented it as warrantable etc etc and if it turns out it isn't, that's on them. I have had *exactly* this situation with another manufacturer and while it took a lot of argument, they eventually did the right thing. From anyone other than McLaren, forget about it. Overall, it is just easier to avoid buying a tuned car if warranty is important to you.
FWIW, I don't believe McLaren dealers can tell if the ECU has been tuned if it has subsequently been returned to standard. I've heard this from two different sources who suggested the ECUs were pretty basic in terms of protection tech compared to the big German brands. How true this actually is, I don't know so take it for the hearsay that it is. That said, I am sure Woking can and do prove that cars have been mapped if the situation calls for it.
FWIW, I don't believe McLaren dealers can tell if the ECU has been tuned if it has subsequently been returned to standard. I've heard this from two different sources who suggested the ECUs were pretty basic in terms of protection tech compared to the big German brands. How true this actually is, I don't know so take it for the hearsay that it is. That said, I am sure Woking can and do prove that cars have been mapped if the situation calls for it.
davek_964 said:
Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, your issue was with the quality of a newly delivered car which McLaren refused to rectify.
That's quite different to the situation being discussed here.
Unless you also had another car where they refused to honour the warranty for something.
You are.That's quite different to the situation being discussed here.
Unless you also had another car where they refused to honour the warranty for something.
There was also mechanical problems which we tried to raise but McLaren were by then ignoring us so not possible to raise.
And "By Then" I mean the second we left the dealership.
petjam said:
davek_964 said:
Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, your issue was with the quality of a newly delivered car which McLaren refused to rectify.
That's quite different to the situation being discussed here.
Unless you also had another car where they refused to honour the warranty for something.
You are.That's quite different to the situation being discussed here.
Unless you also had another car where they refused to honour the warranty for something.
There was also mechanical problems which we tried to raise but McLaren were by then ignoring us so not possible to raise.
And "By Then" I mean the second we left the dealership.
But as I said, very different to putting the extended warranty on the car and then finding that McLaren refuse to honour it for a big claim because of things that were done to it before the warranty was taken out.
Which is what was being discussed when you made your comment.
There is a thread about a Honda Type R that was bought from a main dealer and the engine subsequently popped.
Honda took it to pieces and found it had been remapped and refused to honour the warranty in that instance.
Owner managed to demonstrate it had been undertaken before his purchase but had fitted an aftermarket section of the exhaust, which was then deemed as a modification that had no impact on the cause, but it was enough for Honda UK to say no.
I think a year later its still all legal with the car in bits outside the dealer.
Its just best to be avoided.
McLarens are quicker than about 99.5% of everything else on the road standard; I feel remapping it is a vanity thing thats just not required, and even then, how or when would you get the chance to try and notice it being quicker by maybe 1 second to 124?
However, going by the YouTube clips, it seems very important to some to be revving the engines to death whilst stationery to impress total randoms.
I'm no mechanic, but I am guessing that's not healthy for engine health either.
Honda took it to pieces and found it had been remapped and refused to honour the warranty in that instance.
Owner managed to demonstrate it had been undertaken before his purchase but had fitted an aftermarket section of the exhaust, which was then deemed as a modification that had no impact on the cause, but it was enough for Honda UK to say no.
I think a year later its still all legal with the car in bits outside the dealer.
Its just best to be avoided.
McLarens are quicker than about 99.5% of everything else on the road standard; I feel remapping it is a vanity thing thats just not required, and even then, how or when would you get the chance to try and notice it being quicker by maybe 1 second to 124?
However, going by the YouTube clips, it seems very important to some to be revving the engines to death whilst stationery to impress total randoms.
I'm no mechanic, but I am guessing that's not healthy for engine health either.
davek_964 said:
Very annoying I'm sure.
But as I said, very different to putting the extended warranty on the car and then finding that McLaren refuse to honour it for a big claim because of things that were done to it before the warranty was taken out.
Which is what was being discussed when you made your comment.
What was said is that make sure you get confirmation on warranty coverage from the dealer before agreeing to purchase. But as I said, very different to putting the extended warranty on the car and then finding that McLaren refuse to honour it for a big claim because of things that were done to it before the warranty was taken out.
Which is what was being discussed when you made your comment.
My post was to illustrate from personal experience that what a McLaren dealer says they will do and what they actually deliver on are two very different things.
My advice is before buying ask around on supercar owner clubs like Drivers Union.
petjam said:
davek_964 said:
Very annoying I'm sure.
But as I said, very different to putting the extended warranty on the car and then finding that McLaren refuse to honour it for a big claim because of things that were done to it before the warranty was taken out.
Which is what was being discussed when you made your comment.
What was said is that make sure you get confirmation on warranty coverage from the dealer before agreeing to purchase. But as I said, very different to putting the extended warranty on the car and then finding that McLaren refuse to honour it for a big claim because of things that were done to it before the warranty was taken out.
Which is what was being discussed when you made your comment.
My post was to illustrate from personal experience that what a McLaren dealer says they will do and what they actually deliver on are two very different things.
My advice is before buying ask around on supercar owner clubs like Drivers Union.
If the car is sold by a mclaren dealer with mclaren warranty then it’s the dealers problem if something untoward manifest like described on this thread - previous owner tunes car with non OEM parts. Purchasing a car with warranty is more than enough confirmation of coverage.
UK has consumer protections and whilst it may require PITA legal letters, threats, etc, ultimately the risk is with the mclaren dealer not the buyer.
If you knowingly buy, which is more likely scenario if you ask a million questions, then I would be concerned the risk shifts to the buyer as you are no longer buying in good faith from the mclaren dealership.
Appreciate from other posts you had a very bad experience with mclaren and whilst you’ve not shared details I sense the way you were treated is unacceptable. Ultimately I sense you got the right outcome and you were able to reject your car for a full refund.
Hi there
Test drove the Helios Orange at Baytree cars today and the car seems immaculate but noticed they have had it since November 21 and the warranty expire May 22.
FL19 AAJ is the registration and I wondered if anyone knew the car? It’s comfort seats with leather interior is this a major off putting for most potential buyers or is Helios Orange not a desirable colour?
Test drove the Helios Orange at Baytree cars today and the car seems immaculate but noticed they have had it since November 21 and the warranty expire May 22.
FL19 AAJ is the registration and I wondered if anyone knew the car? It’s comfort seats with leather interior is this a major off putting for most potential buyers or is Helios Orange not a desirable colour?
Personally I prefer a 600lt with either P1 or Senna seats with an alcantara interior. But like I said it’s a personal choice. I would guess this is one of the original £10k down PCP deals. I was offered a couple of cars with the same specs. Strange that it hasn’t been driven by its two owners. The low mileage may mean any initial niggles might not have been sorted. I’ve found the more a McLaren is driven the less issues you have. If you do buy it I’d suggest you get it inspected by McLaren and buy a warranty for the first year. It’s £3335 for a car with a lapsed warranty. Make sure it’s checked for corrosion.
CharlesElliott said:
I am (sort of) starting to look more seriously. I quite liked the Abyss Black car at AB but that is now sold. Reminded me of the E46 M3 Carbon Black.
Certain cars seem to sell really quick and yet others hang around for ages.Top555 had a car this week and it’s already sold, whereas the car I looked at today dealer has nearly had it a year but it seemed spot on.
Gibbo205 said:
Certain cars seem to sell really quick and yet others hang around for ages.
Top555 had a car this week and it’s already sold, whereas the car I looked at today dealer has nearly had it a year but it seemed spot on.
JCT9 (which is very near me) seem to have had a car for a very long time.....Top555 had a car this week and it’s already sold, whereas the car I looked at today dealer has nearly had it a year but it seemed spot on.
CharlesElliott said:
With apologies to Gibbo205, what were / are the seat options? I see carbon and Senna (which I presume are different versions of carbon seats)....but what is the full set of options and which are 'preferred'?
Comfort - leather, alcantara or a mixture of leather and alcantara P1 - leather or alcantara (racing or touring sizes)
Senna - carbon
The Abyss black paint is really stunning it has a blue green fleck through it, saw one in that colour at a Mcl dealer couple of months back...stunning when the sun hits it. Mc Glasgow have a MSO pure black spider which looks the nuts, comfort seats the negative point tho...has to be buckets or Sennas in an LT for me.
RSbandit said:
The Abyss black paint is really stunning it has a blue green fleck through it, saw one in that colour at a Mcl dealer couple of months back...stunning when the sun hits it. Mc Glasgow have a MSO pure black spider which looks the nuts, comfort seats the negative point tho...has to be buckets or Sennas in an LT for me.
Senna seats all the way.......
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