Where to spend £90k?
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LotusJas said:
Pflanzgarten said:
I find the shut lines on modern folding hard tops a total dogs dinner, they might not be compromised structurally but they are visually (to me, anyway).
Surely not the 720S Spider's roof? It's an excellent single piece design, and super quick too.We all know the upside of a convertible but the downsides for McLaren's have always been the shut lines, lack of visible engine and the loss of the large and very useful internal storage shelf (on P11 cars). The reason both of my McLaren's have been coupes is because of the shut lines and the internal storage rear parcel shelf. However the 720s has much improved shut lines and the engine is not as visible in the coupe 720 as it was in the P11 cars so it no longer matters as much. And you get a glass roof, for me that's just about enough to get over the loss of additional cabin storage.
Davyt said:
Does the 720 spider have a 50kg weight penalty against the coupe ? I know the 600lt spider does…
Your never gonna feel the difference what 50kg makes, I can't feel any difference to not and having a passenger.What I do notice is when I drop that back window or even better drop the roof, the Spider for me has no downsides, all positives and Mclarens don't suffer scuttle shake like Ferrari's due to carbon tub, this made my decision very easy, had to be a Spider.
Bispal said:
I'm with Pflanzgarten 99% of the time but the 1% exemption is the 720s spider, it doesn't have the multiple shut lines most other folding top cars have AND has a glass roof as a bonus.
We all know the upside of a convertible but the downsides for McLaren's have always been the shut lines, lack of visible engine and the loss of the large and very useful internal storage shelf (on P11 cars). The reason both of my McLaren's have been coupes is because of the shut lines and the internal storage rear parcel shelf. However the 720s has much improved shut lines and the engine is not as visible in the coupe 720 as it was in the P11 cars so it no longer matters as much. And you get a glass roof, for me that's just about enough to get over the loss of additional cabin storage.
While the rear parcel shelf in the coupe is slightly more usable and accessible than the tonneau storage in the spider, I've still managed a long weekends soft luggage in that storage in the spider using the handy roll-up bags provided. Obviously the roof can't be down then. But in the coupe that's never an option. In the spider it's only an issue in transit to and from destination. When there, you unload and you do get to benefit from roof down adventures. We all know the upside of a convertible but the downsides for McLaren's have always been the shut lines, lack of visible engine and the loss of the large and very useful internal storage shelf (on P11 cars). The reason both of my McLaren's have been coupes is because of the shut lines and the internal storage rear parcel shelf. However the 720s has much improved shut lines and the engine is not as visible in the coupe 720 as it was in the P11 cars so it no longer matters as much. And you get a glass roof, for me that's just about enough to get over the loss of additional cabin storage.
Shut lines - who cares? Rear quarter profile looks a lot better with the top down anyway. And on the P11s you’re not really looking at the engine through the glass, just a plastic cover.
For me, 50kg is a small price to pay for the ability to wallow in the snarling roar with the backlight dropped and/or the top down - priceless. Sounds better inside that way than my old F355 did, though admittedly anodyne with the backlight closed.
For me, 50kg is a small price to pay for the ability to wallow in the snarling roar with the backlight dropped and/or the top down - priceless. Sounds better inside that way than my old F355 did, though admittedly anodyne with the backlight closed.
Edited by 12pack on Friday 17th March 17:09
A couple of Chris Harris reviews on the 570s, "I think its the best car Mclaren make"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eDgzwQRQ_NU&si=EnS...
https://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eDgzwQRQ_NU&si=EnS...
https://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives...
Streetbeat said:
A couple of Chris Harris reviews on the 570s, "I think its the best car Mclaren make, i really do"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eDgzwQRQ_NU&si=EnS...
https://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eDgzwQRQ_NU&si=EnS...
https://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives...
Andrew Frankel said:
...the Sports Series was, is and will always be important to McLaren. When we look back a generation from now, it will be as was the Elan to Lotus, the DB2 to Aston and the XK120 to Jaguar. None of these was their creator’s first car, but all are the cars that set the template and, in many ways, define at best how we see those companies today, and at worst how we would like them to be seen. If at some stage McLaren loses its way and wants to recapture its magic, all it will need to do will be to pull the dust covers off a 570S and go for a blast.
AutocarECOTY scoresheets also lean towards a narrow preference for the Sports Series.
My perception of the critical reception of the Sports Series vs contemporary Super Series is that the journalists evinced a preference for the former at the time, on the grounds of them being more fun.
Conversely, there's a clear group of people around the cars, including Thorney and many on here, who say that with time and knowledge (more time than you'd get on a road test, perhaps), the Super Series reveal hidden depths of ability that elevate them above their originally-cheaper brethren.
The fact that there is no clear consensus either way is precisely why they overlap in value, otherwise the one that was widely acknowledged as better would be worth more.
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