650S prices

[Bispal]

Streetbeat said:

octet said:

I’m in the market for a 650s, I’d happily pay £85k-£87k for the orange one linked above, the owner is keen however on £95k. I guess I’ll have to keep looking. Let me know guys of you’re considering selling something similar.

Well its below 95, not by much, hang in till the depths of January/February and you could be in.

I know the owner / garage. That car is immaculate and you won't get it for any less at anytime of the year. If you want the best 650s coupe that's the one. its a false economy to buy a cheaper example as it won't be in this condition or have this provenance. If you want it buy it, you won't find another like that, less than 20 x 650S coupes in the UK, its one of the rarest cars they made.

[PinkHouse]

Bispal said:

Streetbeat said:

octet said:

I’m in the market for a 650s, I’d happily pay £85k-£87k for the orange one linked above, the owner is keen however on £95k. I guess I’ll have to keep looking. Let me know guys of you’re considering selling something similar.

Well its below 95, not by much, hang in till the depths of January/February and you could be in.

I know the owner / garage. That car is immaculate and you won't get it for any less at anytime of the year. If you want the best 650s coupe that's the one. its a false economy to buy a cheaper example as it won't be in this condition or have this provenance. If you want it buy it, you won't find another like that, less than 20 x 650S coupes in the UK, its one of the rarest cars they made.

Rare =/= more expensive in every case, the reason why most people bought spiders is because they gave additional benefits over the coupe without any downsides, so there's no reason why a coupe should have any premium over a spider in fact they should be much cheaper as is the case with all other McLaren models

[TP321]

PinkHouse said:

Rare =/= more expensive in every case, the reason why most people bought spiders is because they gave additional benefits over the coupe without any downsides, so there's no reason why a coupe should have any premium over a spider in fact they should be much cheaper as is the case with all other McLaren models

I agree - cant see why anyone would opt for the coupe over the spyder. The coupe is rare because everyone bought the spyder.

[Bispal]

TP321 said:

PinkHouse said:

Rare =/= more expensive in every case, the reason why most people bought spiders is because they gave additional benefits over the coupe without any downsides, so there's no reason why a coupe should have any premium over a spider in fact they should be much cheaper as is the case with all other McLaren models

I agree - cant see why anyone would opt for the coupe over the spyder. The coupe is rare because everyone bought the spyder.

I would always take a McLaren coupe over a convertible, they look better in profile, no shut lines on the roof, can use the rear shelf in the car, can see the engine. I do like convertibles (I have 2) but would always take a McLaren in Coupe form. Each to their own, we are all different.

[Dezbo]

Agree each to their own. Another advantage of McLaren spiders is being able to see the engine which is no longer the case on contemporary Italian spiders. Ideally I would have an Italian coupe - think they’re still better at presenting the engine - and Mac spider. So far, I have half this dream but the other half will take a while!

[Dezbo]

Correction - I think you can see the engine on an SF90 spider as social media has suspiciously just shown me a video of one.

[samoht]

The argument that a car which has been reduced by £6k already definitely won't be reduced further is one I don't find 100% convincing. I guess the three possibilities are the owner decides to keep it, the owner does a deal at a price <£94k, or someone comes along and decides to pay £94k.

TP321 said:

PinkHouse said:

Rare =/= more expensive in every case, the reason why most people bought spiders is because they gave additional benefits over the coupe without any downsides, so there's no reason why a coupe should have any premium over a spider in fact they should be much cheaper as is the case with all other McLaren models

I agree - cant see why anyone would opt for the coupe over the spyder. The coupe is rare because everyone bought the spyder.

Prices are set by the balance of supply and demand.

With other Macs the supply is distorted by having an initial period of time when only the coupe is offered. This offsets supply/demand towards making the coupe be in greater supply and thus lower price. With the 650S both were offered in parallel so new sales (= used supply) and used demand should be similar for both, hence them trading at similar prices with no particular premium for one or the other. The only factor that might disturb this would be if used demand balance differs from new, which is possible (generally demand for more sporting variants is greater used than new), but it's not obvious to me which way it would swing in this case.

[Streetbeat]

Bispal said:

Stuff

Being they wouldnt accept anything less than £95k as per earlier in the thread and now it's under £95k, the owner has obviously reconsidered, perhaps he will again, no matter what he's said to you, depends if he wants to sell it or just keep it advertised.

It's a simple choice really as "rare" as the 650s coupe might be, the market for a 650s coupe at near spider prices is probably equally as rare. As with all things discussed on here re prices, every car has a market value, the odd outlier is just a red herring.

The market is deathly quiet across the board and no one is walking into a dealer and offering full asking,

[BlackR8]

Streetbeat said:

Bispal said:

Stuff

Being they wouldnt accept anything less than £95k as per earlier in the thread and now it's under £95k, the owner has obviously reconsidered, perhaps he will again, no matter what he's said to you, depends if he wants to sell it or just keep it advertised.

It's a simple choice really as "rare" as the 650s coupe might be, the market for a 650s coupe at near spider prices is probably equally as rare. As with all things discussed on here re prices, every car has a market value, the odd outlier is just a red herring.

The market is deathly quiet across the board and no one is walking into a dealer and offering full asking,

This car has been on sale for multiple months so in my mind it is overpriced as even in this slow market everything should still sell if priced in line with demand. I am not sure I would have the patience to wait that long to sell a car!

Maybe the seller is all too happy to keep the car (and not drive it in the meantime!) and only willing to sell if he gets over the odds for it. In the meantime it being stored in a nice warm showroom for potential punters to view. Sounds like a win win if thats the position.

[Wheelspinning]

Bispal said:

Streetbeat said:

octet said:

I’m in the market for a 650s, I’d happily pay £85k-£87k for the orange one linked above, the owner is keen however on £95k. I guess I’ll have to keep looking. Let me know guys of you’re considering selling something similar.

Well its below 95, not by much, hang in till the depths of January/February and you could be in.

I know the owner / garage. That car is immaculate and you won't get it for any less at anytime of the year. If you want the best 650s coupe that's the one. its a false economy to buy a cheaper example as it won't be in this condition or have this provenance. If you want it buy it, you won't find another like that, less than 20 x 650S coupes in the UK, its one of the rarest cars they made.

I concur.

Autolounge is a pretty special place, and the owner is an absolute McLaren man.

In his own collection there is an XP P1, and an full carbon 675 spider, alongside the Senna, 675 spider and this 650 they have for sale.

I have also seen this 650 in the flesh and it is absolute mint.

The McLaren market is small, so a low mileage mint car cannot always be dragged down to a 20K mileage car value, but strangely, a 20k mileage car might actually be a far better car than a low mileage one.

If its what your in the market for and it ticks the boxes, I would definitely spend a bit more to get what I want rather than compromise and spend a bit less.

The guys at Autolounge are well connected to McLaren Glasgow, so anything from them will be a top example that if required will qualify for a mclaren warranty if it doesn't already have one.

I would class Autolounge as the Northern version of Alastair Bols for knowledge, stock and the fact they only retail the best possible examples available.

[Streetbeat]

Wheelspinning said:

If its what your in the market for and it ticks the boxes, I would definitely spend a bit more to get what I want rather than compromise and spend a bit less.

Absolutely agree with that, however, it's not a "bit" more, at the time it was 20% more, I would imagine the same now without checking.

Everyone works to a budget no matter what car, so if a 650s coupe is in your wheel house you've probably not got spider money, which certainly seems on here what most potential purchasers are after across the range.

[Wheelspinning]

Streetbeat said:

Wheelspinning said:

If its what your in the market for and it ticks the boxes, I would definitely spend a bit more to get what I want rather than compromise and spend a bit less.

Absolutely agree with that, however, it's not a "bit" more, at the time it was 20% more, I would imagine the same now without checking.

Everyone works to a budget no matter what car, so if a 650s coupe is in your wheel house you've probably not got spider money, which certainly seems on here what most potential purchasers are after across the range.

A quick look on autotrader shows 1 black coupe with 33K miles for £78k, then 3 or 4 spiders for mid £80ks, a spider and coupe at just under £90k, then a spider and coupe at £92k and this 10k miles coupe with P1 seats and all the carbon for £93k.

It's in the ballpark and some people do prefer coupes...so it's probably well priced.

Harry Metcalf spent strong money buying one of the best 650 spiders available, so it will probably sell.

The market is as tough as I have seen it, but not all sellers are distressed sellers and are quite happy to tough it out till early '25.

[Bispal]

There are 3 coupes for sale. I'm not going to compare them to spiders because if you want a coupe you want a coupe.

£78,990 - 33k miles - at Bulion Cars - black - low spec
£89,996 - 39k miles - at Affordable Prestige Cars - green - with 'possible' non OEM after market parts
£93,990 - 11k miles - at Autolounge - Tarocco Orange, very high spec & low miles.

Personally I think an immaculate, high spec, low miles (by a significant amount) car from one of the most reputable dealers is worth a £4k premium over a car with 28k more miles (that's 5-10 years motoring for the majority of mc owners) I think its also worth the £15k premium over the lower spec green one form a non McLaren specialist, with significantly more miles.

Will Autolounge reduce their high spec, low miles, genuine car to align with the 2 higher mileage cars? I wouldn't, not unless the other 2 were significantly reduced. You can keep waiting and then one day it will be gone and you can then have your pick of the other 2. I've made that mistake a few times and let the best car go to save a few thousand pounds and regretted it. Is there another low mileage tarocco orange 650s coupe in the UK?

[Streetbeat]

Is there a buyer for a Taracco orange low mileage coupe at one of the most prestigious dealers? Nearly 6 months and counting tells you no, hence the price reduction, maybe if he started in peak season at this new price it would have sold but i dont blame him for trying.

The green one is way way over priced too, but apples for apples i would take the Autolounge one everyday of the week, but as someone who is actively in the market has said above, they see it at £87k (ish), it doesnt really matter where you presume the value, he's the one youve got to persuade as a buyer, his views are definitely more valid than ours.

HM's spder has MSO provenance, that has merit to value as we all know.

Ive always been an advocate of high spec, good colour Mclarens being at the top of the market and vehemently argued against the market value being levelled at strong mileage, base spec models, however, it is a buyers market and if the owner isnt motivated to move it on with a sensble offer it might well sit there another 6 months plus.

[Bispal]

Streetbeat said:

Is there a buyer for a Taracco orange low mileage coupe at one of the most prestigious dealers? Nearly 6 months and counting tells you no, hence the price reduction, maybe if he started in peak season at this new price it would have sold but i dont blame him for trying.

The green one is way way over priced too, but apples for apples i would take the Autolounge one everyday of the week, but as someone who is actively in the market has said above, they see it at £87k (ish), it doesnt really matter where you presume the value, he's the one youve got to persuade as a buyer, his views are definitely more valid than ours.

HM's spder has MSO provenance, that has merit to value as we all know.

Ive always been an advocate of high spec, good colour Mclarens being at the top of the market and vehemently argued against the market value being levelled at strong mileage, base spec models, however, it is a buyers market and if the owner isnt motivated to move it on with a sensble offer it might well sit there another 6 months plus.

I'm in the market for a P1 for £500k as that's what I see them at, and as a buyer, I will dictate the market. I'm pretty sure one will come into my range soon, as they are all overpriced.

[650S]

I'm a 650s Coupe owner since April, in Amethyst with P1 seats.

Never looked at the patchwork roof version for the reasons given by others previously, but have huge respect for their rigidity.

These cars are on a different level to the Porsches and other brands that are available. Where they join bits of metal and employ engine developers, transmission developers, suspension & steering developers, body structure developers etc, and then amalgamate these functions to a point, McLaren took a clean sheet of paper, struck out metals in favour of a carbon tub for a rigid foundation, arranged the layout around it intelligently (who really wants a fuel tank in the front crumple zone) factored aero into the design day one, blended the mechanicals, electronics and controls into a whole that could deliver 200+ top speed with stability, 60mph in near 3 seconds with 2 wheel drive and an open diff. The list of achievement from a tiny operation goes on and on - they rightly called it the "and" car. Since 2011 their competitors have copied them as far as possible. Aero perhaps most of all but bhp / torque characteristics too. The original NSX had the same effect on the Italians, and they had to sit up too.

I have accepted 2 things, one is - lots of people just don't get it (McLaren engineering) and two is, for some weird reason, there are critics who apparently don't want them to succeed.
Autocar will go into raptures over a 992 GT3RS - the most basic 12C at a decade old is a better car!

McLaren management culture fell short not issuing paint codes etc, but these cars are something else to steer.

[Wheelspinning]

£91995 now...

[Streetbeat]

Bispal said:

I know the owner / garage. That car is immaculate and you won't get it for any less at anytime of the year.

You don't him that well then, see above

[andymc]

650S said:

I'm a 650s Coupe owner since April, in Amethyst with P1 seats.

Never looked at the patchwork roof version for the reasons given by others previously, but have huge respect for their rigidity.

These cars are on a different level to the Porsches and other brands that are available. Where they join bits of metal and employ engine developers, transmission developers, suspension & steering developers, body structure developers etc, and then amalgamate these functions to a point, McLaren took a clean sheet of paper, struck out metals in favour of a carbon tub for a rigid foundation, arranged the layout around it intelligently (who really wants a fuel tank in the front crumple zone) factored aero into the design day one, blended the mechanicals, electronics and controls into a whole that could deliver 200+ top speed with stability, 60mph in near 3 seconds with 2 wheel drive and an open diff. The list of achievement from a tiny operation goes on and on - they rightly called it the "and" car. Since 2011 their competitors have copied them as far as possible. Aero perhaps most of all but bhp / torque characteristics too. The original NSX had the same effect on the Italians, and they had to sit up too.

I have accepted 2 things, one is - lots of people just don't get it (McLaren engineering) and two is, for some weird reason, there are critics who apparently don't want them to succeed.
Autocar will go into raptures over a 992 GT3RS - the most basic 12C at a decade old is a better car!

McLaren management culture fell short not issuing paint codes etc, but these cars are something else to steer.

I have had mine 2 years (coupe) and still struggle to see a batter car at this price point

[ChrisW.]

Dezbo said:

I predict it will sell between 85-90k, market is super slow

Now almost there, why not make a Yes or No offer ?

This dealer has a lot of tasty cars ... 2 x 992 GT3RS ... a 300 mile McLaren Senna ... everybody needs turnover and a car taking up space is costing every day ... particularly if it's "not selling".

Spring is likely to be no better than today, maybe worse and a car sitting doing nothing is of absolutely no value to a dealer ... or an existing owner who wants to sell ...

DK engineering have just auctioned and sold a Ferrari 365GT for £115k ... guide price £140-£160k ....

https://carhuna.com/auctions/vehicle/1970-ferrari-...