BMW 330e ordered...

[Evanivitch]

jonwm said:

Evanivitch said:

jjwilde said:

It should charge, they are just Tesla brand chargers, they should charge any car they fit.

Not quite true.

The white signed charger should charge any Type 2.

The red signed charger to the right is Tesla only.

I did wonder what the red and white differences were

And I know there's a famous photo of a 330e trying it but...

... No. You cannot under any circumstances utilise a Tesla Supercharger.

[Heres Johnny]

Evanivitch said:

jonwm said:

Evanivitch said:

jjwilde said:

It should charge, they are just Tesla brand chargers, they should charge any car they fit.

Not quite true.

The white signed charger should charge any Type 2.

The red signed charger to the right is Tesla only.

I did wonder what the red and white differences were

And I know there's a famous photo of a 330e trying it but...

... No. You cannot under any circumstances utilise a Tesla Supercharger.

Just to be clear - Tesla have two types of chargers, super chargers, the big ones with the cable in the middle, not only are these not going to work, you’re liable at best to end up photographed and made a laughing stock on social media and at worst be surrounded by an angry mob of Tesla owners. The other chargers are destination chargers, more likely to be found at hotels, restaurants etc and the ones with a white sign would work, although you’re likely to be surrounded by a mob of Nissan Leaf owners commenting on needing a charge more than you do.

[NeoVR]

The deal with the tesla "destination" chargers like the ones Jonwm was using...

Tesla provide the hardware for free if the businesses are willing to pay for the electricity themselves. - the only stipulation is a ratio of 2:1 for "telsa only" (red sign) chargers to "any EV" White sign chargers.

Even tho both are type-2 plugs - the tesla chargers will only work on tesla cars.

I verified this earlier in the week as a couple of multistory carparks near my work have a bank of 3x tesla and 1x ev chargers - annoyingly the same guy in a volvo sits on the non-tesla charger ALL DAY EVERY DAY..
With all the tesla bays free, i did try on a tesla charger but the charge would not start.

Edited by NeoVR on Thursday 12th April 08:29

[Evanivitch]

NeoVR said:

With all the tesla bays free, i did try on a tesla charger but the charge would not start.

Edited by NeoVR on Thursday 12th April 08:29

It uses the standardised socket but the interface features a non standard hand shake.

There are adapters available that will spoof it though...

[jonwm]

Interesting, thanks for posting, I did look up on the Tesla website last night and it say this hotel has 3 points but I capfuls only see the 2 that are in the photo.

Do they have a white charger at motorway service stations?

[NeoVR]

Is anyone else noticing their ev mileage starting to creep up now its getting a bit warmer?

Im now getting around 15-16 miles before the engine kicks in.. some of this will be due to changing my commute route slightly - its longer but smoother running.

The trip computer is currently showing an average of 84mpg.. with 400 miles traveled so far on daily charging + half a tank of fuel. cant complain with that!!

[jonwm]

NeoVR said:

Is anyone else noticing their ev mileage starting to creep up now its getting a bit warmer?

Im now getting around 15-16 miles before the engine kicks in.. some of this will be due to changing my commute route slightly - its longer but smoother running.

The trip computer is currently showing an average of 84mpg.. with 400 miles traveled so far on daily charging + half a tank of fuel. cant complain with that!!

I did get 16 the other day on a 23 mile A road commute, for me it’s the longer distances that kills my mpg.

I’ve noticed mine doesn’t always pick the best option, on the motorway the other day in a 50 zone with cruise set, the electric engine was in use solely and was smashing the battery to keep it at 50 with all blue bars lit, in my opinion using the petrol engine would have made more economical sense in this situation.
I had the nav set so it knew where I was going and what lay ahead in terms of journey.

[NeoVR]

jonwm said:

I did get 16 the other day on a 23 mile A road commute, for me it’s the longer distances that kills my mpg.

I’ve noticed mine doesn’t always pick the best option, on the motorway the other day in a 50 zone with cruise set, the electric engine was in use solely and was smashing the battery to keep it at 50 with all blue bars lit, in my opinion using the petrol engine would have made more economical sense in this situation.
I had the nav set so it knew where I was going and what lay ahead in terms of journey.

Ive also noticed that the blue-bars vs pedal position doesnt seem to be clear-cut either. I was in the 50mph part of the M60 roadworks on the way to the traff centre yesterday, sat nav set and in eco pro. and it was choosing to do funny things. it was only a short journey for me, but it did seem to modify the "sensitivity" of the blue bars based on the terrain and gradients for the times the engine was not running. i think its an eco-pro thing.

I know that when the battery gets down to its last 10% the bars become more sensitive where it will use petrol to accelerate and give you a small amount of EV power to try and maintan the momentum.

[Heres Johnny]

jonwm said:

Interesting, thanks for posting, I did look up on the Tesla website last night and it say this hotel has 3 points but I capfuls only see the 2 that are in the photo.

Do they have a white charger at motorway service stations?

Generally speaking, no. Motorway services have the superchargers which won’t work at all.

[Heres Johnny]

Evanivitch said:

It uses the standardised socket but the interface features a non standard hand shake.

There are adapters available that will spoof it though...

Can you point me to one?

[Evanivitch]

Heres Johnny said:

Can you point me to one?

Type 1. So increasingly useless.

https://electrek.co/2017/06/20/tesla-j1772-adapter...

[Heres Johnny]

Evanivitch said:

Type 1. So increasingly useless.

https://electrek.co/2017/06/20/tesla-j1772-adapter...

Thanks, I’d seen those, US market really as the destination chargers have different connectors compared to here.

[jonwm]

Not charging at home lately so set off today from Tamworth to Kidderminster, roughly 40 miles mostly motorway...

Anyway there 95% petrol usage and it did 41.4mpg not too bad.
Return trip same route but did battery save mode, charged battery to 92% but it felt like I was driving with the handbrake on, bear in mind I’m on the motorway doing 75ish the MPG was... 25.4! That’s some impact for charging the battery

[wobert]

Your outbound trip achieved similar mpg that I get on a run.

Your return trip seems pretty low mpg for motorway running.

I normally get high 30s on the motorway in save mode.

I get similar figures to you when in save mode around town.

[jonwm]

wobert said:

Your outbound trip achieved similar mpg that I get on a run.

Your return trip seems pretty low mpg for motorway running.

I normally get high 30s on the motorway in save mode.

I get similar figures to you when in save mode around town.

I thought it was low, may try it again next week when I’m going to Warrington.

Not sure weather it’s in the mind but I’m sure it’s quicker with a full charge.

[wobert]

jonwm said:

wobert said:

Your outbound trip achieved similar mpg that I get on a run.

Your return trip seems pretty low mpg for motorway running.

I normally get high 30s on the motorway in save mode.

I get similar figures to you when in save mode around town.

I thought it was low, may try it again next week when I’m going to Warrington.

Not sure weather it’s in the mind but I’m sure it’s quicker with a full charge.

I’m 10 months in and at 27k miles, average mpg is at 41.1mpg.

[craig1912]

wobert said:

Your outbound trip achieved similar mpg that I get on a run.

Your return trip seems pretty low mpg for motorway running.

I normally get high 30s on the motorway in save mode.

I get similar figures to you when in save mode around town.

Not sure why you ever would use save mode as it hammers mpg. Just driven 214 miles and averaged 46mpg. Tried Save mode and you can see mpg drop off a cliff. Currently averaging 50.6 after 4000 miles

[wobert]

craig1912 said:

wobert said:

Your outbound trip achieved similar mpg that I get on a run.

Your return trip seems pretty low mpg for motorway running.

I normally get high 30s on the motorway in save mode.

I get similar figures to you when in save mode around town.

Not sure why you ever would use save mode as it hammers mpg. Just driven 214 miles and averaged 46mpg. Tried Save mode and you can see mpg drop off a cliff. Currently averaging 50.6 after 4000 miles

I cycle it between auto and save modes to charge the batteries for use in town or traffic on the motorway. I don’t plug my he car in, so this is the only way of doing this.

Provided you use save on fast a roads or the motorway, the mpg hit is only c10%.

Since I don’t pay for my fuel it doesn’t realky matter what the mpg is, but I like using electric power around town....

[jonwm]

wobert said:

craig1912 said:

wobert said:

Your outbound trip achieved similar mpg that I get on a run.

Your return trip seems pretty low mpg for motorway running.

I normally get high 30s on the motorway in save mode.

I get similar figures to you when in save mode around town.

Not sure why you ever would use save mode as it hammers mpg. Just driven 214 miles and averaged 46mpg. Tried Save mode and you can see mpg drop off a cliff. Currently averaging 50.6 after 4000 miles

I cycle it between auto and save modes to charge the batteries for use in town or traffic on the motorway. I don’t plug my he car in, so this is the only way of doing this.

Provided you use save on fast a roads or the motorway, the mpg hit is only c10%.

Since I don’t pay for my fuel it doesn’t realky matter what the mpg is, but I like using electric power around town....

Likewise I don’t pay for fuel but charge where available and free, wanted a full battery for the weekend and was interested to see what the impact would be, safe to say I won’t be using it very often.

When I say I don’t pay for fuel I pay BIK on it

[craig1912]

wobert said:

I cycle it between auto and save modes to charge the batteries for use in town or traffic on the motorway. I don’t plug my he car in, so this is the only way of doing this.

Provided you use save on fast a roads or the motorway, the mpg hit is only c10%.

Since I don’t pay for my fuel it doesn’t realky matter what the mpg is, but I like using electric power around town....

Fair enough- I charge mine all the time at home and when i visit one of our offices which has a couple of pod points installed.