Tesla dealer discounts and must have options?

[AstonZagato]

Anyone with a referral code?

Going into Tesla tomorrow for a nitty gritty chat on a model X

[gangzoom]

AstonZagato said:

Anyone with a referral code?

Going into Tesla tomorrow for a nitty gritty chat on a model X

http://ts.la/gang8751

Here is mine, feel free to use other people if they offer it.

Which version you going for? Our 75D X with newly updated 0-60 time of under 5 seconds really is abit mental for the 'base' car, even a 550bhp+ £140K Range Rover cannot match the 0-60 performance.

[AstonZagato]

Thinking of a 90D or 100D

[gangzoom]

AstonZagato said:

Thinking of a 90D or 100D

Your get good discounts on the 90D, but real life range is only 15-20 miles more than a 75D. The 100D has 50 miles+ more than the 75D, if you can afford it get the 100D over 90D.

https://electrek.co/2016/12/14/tesla-battery-capac...

[Heres Johnny]

Don’t buy new custom unless you’re desperate for their finance and even then it’s available on new inventory. I’m listing new MX 100Ds for 91k and well worth the 3k extra over the 90D

All the new and used inventory are on here: tesla don’t promote them that much as they want custom orders so you need to use sites like this or go in and ask

http://tesla.savemylegs.com/forsale.html

Along with my referral code if you buy a qualifying car

Edited by Heres Johnny on Tuesday 24th October 06:39

[gangzoom]

^ There are some advantages to buying new.

Our current Aug 2017 build X feels much better put together than our previous Dec 2016 build X, or even the Feb 2017 build loaner X I had for 3 months. The new car has no windscreen ghosting at all, no rattles/noise from the gull wing doors, and has a 0-60 time of 4.9 seconds versus 6 seconds of the old car.

Tesla are constantly making production changes, whilst the S is pretty mature now and I doubt Tesla are making any changes the X is a different story....oh the new custom order cars are now shipping with Autopliot 2.5 hardware, though Tesla have said they will upgrade all 2.0 hardware cars to 2.5 if needed in future to allow for full autonomous driving.

If you can afford it a new 100D X will be a better car than a discounted 90D X. Equally a custom order 75D S is quicker and has virtually the same real life range as a old 85D.

Xs also vary ALOT in interior seating spec, the difference in feel/space between our white leather 6 seater and the black leather 5 seater loaner was massive. They were almost like two different cars. Personally I don't see the point of a 5 seater X, a S will do the same job and is cheaper/quicker. The 6/7 seater versions is where you really get to appreicate the massive passenger space on offer.

There is another production change on the 7 seaters to br aware of....The orignal 7 seater cars had a powered 2nd row (mono post design) with individual chairs, but because people moaned about not been able to fold the 2nd row 100% flat the current 7 seater has a bench unpowered 2nd row.....which is fine, but on a £80k+ car having to pull a lever to fold the seats and than manually sliding them fowards feels a bit cheap, especially compared to the powered version.

I would say deciding which interior setup on the X to get is almost as important as the battery version!! As your only notice the range difference on the 75/90/100D packs on trips over 200 miles, whilst the interior your see/use every single time you get into the car.....choose carefully .

But buying used can get you some good discounts, a P85D for £75Kish is a relative 'barging' considering the performance on offer. However used Xs are few and far between.

Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 24th October 06:46

[Heres Johnny]

There’s no advantage of buying custom over a month old inventory. You’ve read the posts about people losing £30k in a few months. You have also read that Tesla are uncorking 75s so they all get the performance update.

Ive a web site which can only make me money if people buy new and use my referral and I still recommend buying inventory - I think that says something about the impartiality of my advice.

[gangzoom]

Heres Johnny said:

There’s no advantage of buying custom over a month old inventory. You’ve read the posts about people losing £30k in a few months. You have also read that Tesla are uncorking 75s so they all get the performance update.

Clearly buying used is cheaper, but with the X used inventory is very limited.

Its now coming out Tesla produced TWO different 75 packs and only some can be 'uncorked'. I suspect Tesla have done what Apple/Samsung does with CPUs by running two different production lines to keep up with demand using parts from different suppliers but subtle differences differences do exist between the final products despite the same model number.

I also stand by my statement current Xs are far better build than even cars manfactured in early 2017. I had a 90D X loaner (Feb 17 build) and even I have to admit the build quality felt bad, the doors creeked, there was a loss seat belt holder, the door sensors temperamental, where as our current Aug 17 build X just feels 'solid' with no rattles at all. Its like comparing the build quality of a 2014 pre AP S to a current S, regardless of price we both know which car we would rather be in .

Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 24th October 06:59

[Heres Johnny]

2 different 75 packs?

They made a small batch of 75s with a software limited 85 but that’s not linked to performance. They also have two different motors but that’s also not linked. But both are searchable on my site and not Teslas. There’s actually no guarantee that you get the best hardware from Tesla, if you wanted an 85 battery equipped 75 you’d have to buy inventory.

[gangzoom]

^Yes apparently two different fuses were made. Anyways the question was about 90 or 100D anyways so lets not go off topic .

As I've said with the X interior layout makes a much bigger difference than battery pack size for day to day use. And from direct experiecne the current build cars are better.

Last time I looked there was also hardly any cheaper inventory Xs, and virtually all inventory cars 5 seaters.

But anyone buying a S really should look at a used P85D, as the performance/price ratio is just unbeatable.

Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 24th October 07:15

[vladx2]

I chose a 5 seater X because we can fit snowboards inside the boot. Not having the 3rd row frees up boot space, which means you can put long items in diagonally. Skis may be a stretch, but snowboards fit fine.

About the 6 seater:

• You can also put long items like skis or snowboards between the seats with one 3rd row seat down, leaving you with 5 seats.
• 3rd row visibility is really great. Shorter (or rather non-tall ) adults can sit back there with no complaints. It doesn't feel claustrophobic.
• The monopost seats look amazing, but their angle is fixed in a pretty uncomfortable position while the bench on a 5/7 seater reclines.

Edited by vladx2 on Saturday 11th November 21:01

[AstonZagato]

I bought the seven seat mono post. I like the mono post seats and a they seemed to be at the right angle for me. Never put the seats down.

That said, I’m shocked at the way Tesla works. I wouldn’t currently buy another car from them. I’ve had the worst car buying experience in 30 years on this purchase. They haven’t got the first clue.

[vladx2]

AstonZagato said:

I bought the seven seat mono post. I like the mono post seats and a they seemed to be at the right angle for me. Never put the seats down.

That said, I’m shocked at the way Tesla works. I wouldn’t currently buy another car from them. I’ve had the worst car buying experience in 30 years on this purchase. They haven’t got the first clue.

Could be just me, then. Maybe they’re encouraging a healthier posture

[arfursleep]

AstonZagato said:

I bought the seven seat mono post. I like the mono post seats and a they seemed to be at the right angle for me. Never put the seats down.

That said, I’m shocked at the way Tesla works. I wouldn’t currently buy another car from them. I’ve had the worst car buying experience in 30 years on this purchase. They haven’t got the first clue.

Can you explain what was so bad about the sales service? They seem pretty relaxed from my dealings to date which is a bonus over the usual constant hassle from other car sales teams i've dealt with.

I'm 48hr test driving both a Model S and Model X to see which is better for me (I think the 5 seat X will offer the best space but i really prefer the S shape and it seems to have tons of space)

[AstonZagato]

arfursleep said:

Can you explain what was so bad about the sales service? They seem pretty relaxed from my dealings to date which is a bonus over the usual constant hassle from other car sales teams i've dealt with.

I'm 48hr test driving both a Model S and Model X to see which is better for me (I think the 5 seat X will offer the best space but i really prefer the S shape and it seems to have tons of space)

Long and involved story. Feel free to PM me. But involved Tesla trying to rip me off for a pointlessly small amount of money, lying to me, telling me I was wrong (when I wasn’t), failing to understand my concerns, being patronising, telling me to feck off (in rather more words) as I’d signed a contract and they didn’t care, some comedy failures at handover, failing to quality control the car, delivering me a substandard car, making it difficult to rectify those problems.

The people you meet are nice and enthusiastic. But they really don’t have the first clue.

Now happy with the car but it needed a month of remedial work to get it there.

[arfursleep]

AstonZagato said:

Long and involved story. Feel free to PM me. But involved Tesla trying to rip me off for a pointlessly small amount of money, lying to me, telling me I was wrong (when I wasn’t), failing to understand my concerns, being patronising, telling me to feck off (in rather more words) as I’d signed a contract and they didn’t care, some comedy failures at handover, failing to quality control the car, delivering me a substandard car, making it difficult to rectify those problems.

The people you meet are nice and enthusiastic. But they really don’t have the first clue.

Now happy with the car but it needed a month of remedial work to get it there.

Think that says enough! And i’ve read from others that the service can be below par for the premium experience (and cost) they are selling. The guy i’m in contact with used to work for Audi so there is a hope that he might be a bit more switched on.

We’ll see..

[Heres Johnny]

A lot of the stafff are ex premium brands, Manchester service manager is ex Porsche, it’s the systems half the time when it come to buying. Computer says x for a part ex, no did discounting, it’s as if they have no discretion on the sales side. It’s frustrating when it takes 3 days to get a part ex quote.

I’m surprised about the issues with getting stuff fixed, it might take time but there’s usual not a lot of resistance,

[AstonZagato]

Heres Johnny said:

A lot of the stafff are ex premium brands, Manchester service manager is ex Porsche, it’s the systems half the time when it come to buying. Computer says x for a part ex, no did discounting, it’s as if they have no discretion on the sales side. It’s frustrating when it takes 3 days to get a part ex quote.

I'd agree with all that. The young lad I dealt with was wet behind the ears and I doubt had much experience of anything. But he was good compared to his boss who was ex-premium brands. It was the boss who was lying and patronising TBH.

Their systems are inflexible for sure.

I would certainly say that under no circumstances would I want to part-ex a car into them.

Heres Johnny said:

I’m surprised about the issues with getting stuff fixed, it might take time but there’s usual not a lot of resistance,

It was time and inconvenience rather than resistance. Systems inflexibility was the root cause but compounded by inability to organise a panic in a doomed submarine.
We picked up the car from Dartford. Roughly, the conversation was as follows:
"Can I have a loan car and you keep this substandard one, till it's sorted?"
"No. We don't have any loan cars available. You'll have to take this one and then we'll swap this one for a loan car when one is free. Then we can get it sorted"
"OK. But I want to book this in for the work before I leave with the car"
"Are we your closest service centre?"
"No idea"
"Let me check. No Milton Keynes is 5 miles closer than we are." (both are c50miles away)
"Er, does that matter?"
"Yes, we can't send a loan car if Milton Keynes is closer. They will have to take care of it."
"But you're supplying it..."
"Yes but they are nearer."
"Can you book it in with them?"
"No, You'll have to call them yourself. Our system won't allow us to book it in with them."
"Er, couldn't you call them now and arrange it for me while we wait?"
Phone call is made
"Their system is down. So they can't arrange a date."
"Well, can you arrange for them to give me a call to put a date in the diary?"
"Sure."
"Can you make sure they are aware of all the issues with the car?"
"Yes. Of course"
Six hours later, I'd had no call. I called Milton Keynes. They hadn't been briefed, except by my irate email.
A month of having our car and two loan car swaps (the first one was sold from under us) and I now have the car I should have done originally.

To be fair, the people are very nice and the car is excellent now. But not what should happen when you are spending even a tenth of what one of these cost. It really just needs someone to grab hold of the problem and run with it through to completion (I found a good chap at MK).

But most of them have a small role and won't go outside it to make sure the problem gets sorted. And I think the salespeople see their role as just selling the car. Once you've signed the paperwork, it's not their problem. Contrast it with my most recent Aston purchase and the chap was brilliant from start to finish. Really was very good post-delivery. Night and day.

Edited by AstonZagato on Tuesday 19th December 20:31

[ntiz]

As has been said I always find the staff very nice over the phone and in person and always very accommodating. But then nothing seems to happen unless you repeatedly call them and make sure.

Also I find if you ask them awkward questions about the car they say they will check the data on your car to explain the problems and call you back. It's been 2 years now I have been asking the same question every 6 months or so not had that magic call back with an answer yet!!! From info I have got from various places im 99% sure I know why its happening and I don't like it. But I just want them to have the balls to tell me that there are limitations on my car.

Just grates a bit that they so obviously avoid answering.