I8 values in free fall....Why?

I8 values in free fall....Why?

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FeelingLucky

1,082 posts

163 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
On its compromises? Where do I begin??

It’s an eco sports car that isn’t that eco or sporting!

It could be tuned to be a much better drivers car but that would hurt its eco credentials.

It could be much more economic, but then it would lose out in its performance pretence.
I'm going to treat this as just one point, made three times.
I have to say that I fundamentally disagree with this.
When I had one on extended test drive, I used it mostly in sport mode, and drove it hard over the Snake and Woodhead Pass. I was initially disappointed that it "only" managed 36mpg. Only later did I reflect that my 911 on it's best day (M1 steady 65-70 ish, 7th gear) ever managed over 30.

After purchasing and using to commute, I did this on electric only, very eco.
Depending on your mix of spirited/urban driving it can and will deliver stunning economy.

When I sold mine, the long term average on the computer was reading overall 99.9 mpg (as high as it can go).


LaurasOtherHalf said:
It’s got the pretence of four seats but the rears are unusable, so you’re carrying around a large chunk of wasted space.
Which is it, unusably small or large chunk, surely can't have it both ways here?

It HAS got rear seats, ask any 911 owner the value of these, whilst they're handy for storage, I have carried four adults in my i8, just as I was able to in my 911. BMW sales herbert claims they're more usable than 911 seats, I'm not 100% convinced, but they're at least as good.

LaurasOtherHalf said:
It is, in other words, neither one thing nor another. I’ve often wondered why they’ve never done an out and out performance version of it, an i8M so to speak.
It's easy to underestimate the all out performance of an i8, I did regularly whilst driving in pure EV mode, even two years of ownership, when I made full use of sport mode, it surprised me a little.

There's little point or room in doing a hybrid with a full compliment of Batteries a la Tesla, or by the same token a large engine.
The i8 IMO pulls off a spectacular balancing act. If you can think of another vehicle with the i8 potential for economy AND performance that looks the way it does, I'd really like to hear it.

And as many have already said, an i8 is a wonderful place to be, the smoothness, comfort and silence is a beguiling mix on an otherwise boring commute.


What you describe as neither one thing or the other, I consider to be remarkably able all rounder.

One last thing, are you speaking form your experience on a test drive, or as an owner with day to day experience?


Edited by FeelingLucky on Thursday 2nd May 15:20

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Thursday 2nd May 2019
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Oh just as a test driver, I did think when I wrote all that it was pretty much one point repeated!

Don’t get me wrong, I love them. Just not enough to actually buy one and mainly for that reason.

culminator

Original Poster:

576 posts

208 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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FeelingLucky's response is spot on I think.

I've had my i8 for just under two years and come from a background of performance cars. The I8 isn't the fastest, most dynamic or best sounding car I've had BUT it IS the one that I don't plan to sell because it's just so dammed usable in the real world.

It has supercar looks, is genuinely quick, handles well and yet I average 55mpg, costs zero VED and is a joy to own and drive.

MrOrange

2,031 posts

252 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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culminator said:
I've had my i8 for just under two years and come from a background of performance cars. The I8 isn't the fastest, most dynamic or best sounding car I've had BUT it IS the one that I don't plan to sell because it's just so dammed usable in the real world.
This. Absolutely. I’ve had mine for over 3 years and come from a long line of fast cars (AM, Porsche, Lotus etc) and it just feels to be the perfect blend of usable road performance and real-world costs (ignoring depreciation).

bertie

8,545 posts

283 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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There surely has to be a Mk2 coming which will include everything they've learned?

Youd imagine it cant be far off?

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

155 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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bertie said:
There surely has to be a Mk2 coming which will include everything they've learned?

Youd imagine it cant be far off?
Possibly this is why cars are sticking and BMW dealers are looking to get rid?

How likely is it that a new model would be 'a great leap forward' rather than gentle evolution?

CRA1G

6,499 posts

194 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Helicopter123 said:
How likely is it that a new model would be 'a great leap forward' rather than gentle evolution?
A "great leap forward" would be to fit some practical doors.... my wife hates it,won't go in it if she's not wearing Jeans... hehe

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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jjr1 said:
MrOrange said:
Jeez, £100 a mile depreciation. Who in their right mind pays a £100k for a car and then sells it on a year later after driving less than 500 miles. Crazy world.
No one paid £100 a mile. Calm yourself down.

These cars are now selling at 58k for a new one and I am quite tempted now by one of these as opposed to the 15k mile 15 plates. It is just a question of how much of a bath am I prepared to take?
You can get new for £58k? Where’s that? Might be tempted to change the wife’s SLK for one at that sort of price.

Heres Johnny

7,175 posts

123 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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REALIST123 said:
jjr1 said:
MrOrange said:
Jeez, £100 a mile depreciation. Who in their right mind pays a £100k for a car and then sells it on a year later after driving less than 500 miles. Crazy world.
No one paid £100 a mile. Calm yourself down.

These cars are now selling at 58k for a new one and I am quite tempted now by one of these as opposed to the 15k mile 15 plates. It is just a question of how much of a bath am I prepared to take?
You can get new for £58k? Where’s that? Might be tempted to change the wife’s SLK for one at that sort of price.
Chase back up the thread and I posted a link - you can even sign up for email notification not that I'm plugging my website

Its a 2018 model with less than 1k miles, so not the new LCI one, but they've been seen for around 70k (not that there are any at the moment)

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Heres Johnny said:
REALIST123 said:
jjr1 said:
MrOrange said:
Jeez, £100 a mile depreciation. Who in their right mind pays a £100k for a car and then sells it on a year later after driving less than 500 miles. Crazy world.
No one paid £100 a mile. Calm yourself down.

These cars are now selling at 58k for a new one and I am quite tempted now by one of these as opposed to the 15k mile 15 plates. It is just a question of how much of a bath am I prepared to take?
You can get new for £58k? Where’s that? Might be tempted to change the wife’s SLK for one at that sort of price.
Chase back up the thread and I posted a link - you can even sign up for email notification not that I'm plugging my website

Its a 2018 model with less than 1k miles, so not the new LCI one, but they've been seen for around 70k (not that there are any at the moment)
Thanks Johnny. I saw that one but jjr1 then said you could get new for £58k. If that’s true then a year old one should be even less.

Nice site btw.

PBCD

715 posts

137 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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REALIST123 said:
Thanks Johnny. I saw that one but jjr1 then said you could get new for £58k. If that’s true then a year old one should be even less.
Remember, this is Pistonheads where "new" := anything less than three years old and/or still in warranty!


So out of curiosity, and by way of comparison to the 1/2 year old deals mentioned above,
what is the best price for a brand new i8 coupe with BMW discount/finance incentives/grant/etc.
these days??



Nick928

340 posts

154 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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PBCD said:
Remember, this is Pistonheads where "new" := anything less than three years old and/or still in warranty!


So out of curiosity, and by way of comparison to the 1/2 year old deals mentioned above,
what is the best price for a brand new i8 coupe with BMW discount/finance incentives/grant/etc.
these days??
Seriously interested in ditching the M3 for an i8 if the numbers stack up.
I’d discounted it on the grounds of horrific depreciation but at those kind of figures for the larger battery version of the coupe it has suddenly got my tail up.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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bertie said:
There surely has to be a Mk2 coming which will include everything they've learned?

Youd imagine it cant be far off?
I’m pretty sure that BMW have already said that there will be no future special/stand-alone electric hybrid models. They will take all they’ve learned from the i cars to make electric/hybrid models of existing cars moving forward.

LotusJas

1,322 posts

230 months

Saturday 4th May 2019
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The "Mk2" is the current "facelift model", which actually looks very marginally worse (bonnet vent) and has marginally worse aero as a result. It is also heavier.


But the new version has much better e range, and overall is no slower due to the more powerful battery.

The differences are insignificant.

There won't be a true Mk2.

TheBMWDriver

591 posts

153 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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BMW are only selling around 150 cars per year in the uk. They just announced profits are down they must be loosing a shed load of cash on every car. I can’t see them making the i8 for much longer

bertie

8,545 posts

283 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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TheBMWDriver said:
BMW are only selling around 150 cars per year in the uk. They just announced profits are down they must be loosing a shed load of cash on every car. I can’t see them making the i8 for much longer
Article in this weeks Autocar...


LotusJas

1,322 posts

230 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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What car is that?

bertie

8,545 posts

283 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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LotusJas said:
What car is that?

bertie

8,545 posts

283 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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LotusJas

1,322 posts

230 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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Ah yes, thanks. Last I read was that it will be a hybrid, not pure electric.