So who is getting a Model 3?

[anonymous-user]

gangzoom said:

RobDickinson said:

I'm not saying anything that's someone else's blog post mostly around the battery pack technology

The problem with the internet these days is anyone can write what they like with no peer review. Hence I keep on saying action is much more credible than words.à

To give you an idea how long it takes to go from a benchside tech (which graphene batteries are currently) to mass production you simply have to look at lithium ion development. First proposed in 1970s, first commerical product in 1990s, and not untill early 2010s prices fall enough for automotive use.

Same with OLED, first described in 1960s, first tech demo 1990s, early 2010 before prices fall enough to be affordable to the mass market.

There are hundreds 'potential' better battery tech in labs all over the world. But taking a science experiment from a lab to mass production takes decades if your quick. There is still no consensus on which battery tecb will supersede lithium ion, but once it does become clear add on another 20 years and your in the ball park timeline of when your be able to buy one.

Did you actually read the earlier post?

[PTaylor73]

Plug Life said:

So RHD M3 is pushed back a little to "probably" middle of 2019? Patience is a virtue...

No rush, the battery chemistry might be even better for longer cell calendar and cycle life by then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qi03QawZEk

Walking out of the front door to a warm and defrosted car in the winter will be good.

With the expansion of superchargers, if you can top-up every 100 miles on road trips this should be good for the battery (Accubattery on android shows 75% to 45%, a 30% depth of discharge causes only 12% of a wear cycle. Lucky in the UK the battery should usually stay cool)

My to-visit list so far
Lake district
Bealach na Ba
Giant's causeway
Mont Saint-Michel
Longues-sur-Mer battery
La rochelle
Viaduc de Millau
San Bernardino Pass
Rome

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&filters=super...

[RobDickinson]

1st ship for Europe has left..

And Bjorn tests model 3 awd LR at 560km range..
https://youtu.be/KJpz5imqW5U

[hyphen]

In the USA are there enough superchargers or do you have to wait and queue?

[RobDickinson]

They are getting busy in places with queues and charge time limits

[gangzoom]

RobDickinson said:

1st ship for Europe has left..

And Bjorn tests model 3 awd LR at 560km range..
https://youtu.be/KJpz5imqW5U

That is impressive range, more than what I could get of my old 335i with £80 worth of unleaded!!

[gangzoom]

hyphen said:

In the USA are there enough superchargers or do you have to wait and queue?

With 330 miles of range your hardly have to use a Supercharger in the UK.

The AWD car isn't slow either, real world not that much difference to the P version which will cost about £10-15k more here in the UK.

I was all set to pass on the 3 and wait for the Y, but 330 miles of range is mighty impressive.....

https://youtu.be/YdBvfr5QUhs

[RobDickinson]

gangzoom said:

I was all set to pass on the 3 and wait for the Y, but 330 miles of range is mighty impressive.....

https://youtu.be/YdBvfr5QUhs

Yeah same probably prefer the Y but it'll be another 2 years (after the 3 gets to nz) before I could get one I recon.

I'm waiting for the Y reveal see what it's like though, shouldn't affect when I get a 3

[Heres Johnny]

gangzoom said:

RobDickinson said:

1st ship for Europe has left..

And Bjorn tests model 3 awd LR at 560km range..
https://youtu.be/KJpz5imqW5U

That is impressive range, more than what I could get of my old 335i with £80 worth of unleaded!!

Did you try your 335i at only 56mph for the whole journey?

[gangzoom]

Heres Johnny said:

Did you try your 335i at only 56mph for the whole journey?

Since you ask .



I see Bjron has tested it at 75mph, with 67mph average - about 3.5 miles per kWh, assuming 73kWh usable that's 257 miles 100-0%. Take 10% off the top end and 10% off bottom, 205 mile range range at 75mpg without having to 100% charge or running into range anxiety level. Much better than what I can get from our 75D X, but still not enough us (especially my wife) for work trips which we drive non stop and with no destination charging.

The refreshed Model S LR will have more range, if 110kWh usable and same efficiency that would be near the 300 miles of M-range we need for the second car......BUT spending £100k+ on a 'second' car for extra range we'll use once every 2 months just doesn't make any sense.

Oh well, will keep waiting for the right EV to come along - Still things are improving nicely, cannot believe it was only 2015 when I was crawling along the M1 in my old Leaf trying to make it home,been OVERTAKEN by lorries due to raining half way through the trip killing range, and the Ecotricity charger I planned to use to been dead. Not sure my daughter will quite appreciate how easy life for her will be when she starts driving EVs, probably similar to trying to explain to an teenager in the past to play a computer game you use to have to swap cassette tapes round whilst waiting for to load, but your have to explain the concept of cassette tapes first .

Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 15th January 13:19

[RobDickinson]

anonymous said:

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Funny how some markets are different. The decent Kona here is $80k, the iPace starts at $160k but really 170-180k by the time you have one you want

The LR AWD model 3 will come in at around $100k, neither of the other options make sene, kona is smaller and 2wd iPace is expensive and range sucks.

[red_slr]

Casey Niestat (SIC?) just released a Model 3 video. He seems to like it.

[RobDickinson]

I found this funny, given all the st thrown at the model 3 and Tesla.

https://youtu.be/wx8oPCkciwI

Point isn't really to have a go at Mercedes but a touch of balance...

[hyphen]

gangzoom said:

hyphen said:

In the USA are there enough superchargers or do you have to wait and queue?

With 330 miles of range your hardly have to use a Supercharger in the UK.

The AWD car isn't slow either, real world not that much difference to the P version which will cost about £10-15k more here in the UK.

I was all set to pass on the 3 and wait for the Y, but 330 miles of range is mighty impressive.....

https://youtu.be/YdBvfr5QUhs

How long does it stay 330? How does max battery capacity change per year on them as battery gets old?

[FurtiveFreddy]

hyphen said:

How long does it stay 330?

On the flat? For approx. 1 mile.

But seriously, 330 is not going to be realistic for the performance version unless you granny it.
The RWD version is the most efficient in terms of range.

Battery depreciation won't make that much difference to range and if anyone is worried about losing a few miles of range after a couple of years then maybe it's not the car for them? If you start with a potential range of 330 in the pack, you could argue that it won't matter so much.

Edited by FurtiveFreddy on Wednesday 16th January 18:03

[RobDickinson]

hyphen said:

How long does it stay 330? How does max battery capacity change per year on them as battery gets old?

Model S batteries age very well, typically they loose around 55 quickly (first 6-12 months) then very gradual decline and typically good for 500-1000k miles.

Just seen a post on a model 3 owner, 22,000 miles in 9 months and so far no battery degradation at all.

With a leaf I would be worried, not a tesla.

[Heres Johnny]

It’s worth remember that even with a 300 mile range car, Tesla recommend not charging over 90% on a regular basis, and you’d be chancing it to end every journey below 10% as a traffic jam, diversion, head wind or rain can steal that buffer. Winter is also 10-20% worse than summer over a distance, worse still over short distances. That 300 miles has just become 200 working miles.

Still enough for most people most of the time, just don’t be surprised if you buy one

[RobDickinson]

Model 3 doesn't have as effective battery heating so in winter esp if you store it outside you'll have to deal with that too.

Cold battery will have poorer regen and charging speeds

[PTaylor73]

Tesla are going to be using Maxwell dry electrode coating tech, hopefully will be in the Model 3 within the next 12 months? (longer life, cheaper, maybe higher capacity and faster charging)

https://youtu.be/zlJRo9yVzus?t=4917

I was planning to try to charge to 3.8 V for short daily trips, and try to stay between 3.7 and 3.9 V resting voltage when possible. This battery improvement should avoid the need to use such a shalllow depth of discharge for the battery to last 20 years?

[gangzoom]

So totally out of the blue my dad now tells me he wants to swap their 10 year+ old Mazda for a Model 3, and even knew enough to specific AWD LR option!!

So it looks like we might end up with a Model 3 in the family circle after all .

His in no rush to change cars though, so I've told him to sit on his hands regarding a reservation and wait till possibly end of Q3 around Sep, pending how desperate Tesla are at that point to shift inventory stock on the higher spec AWD/P cars he should get a good 'price adjustment'.