2016 Prius MPG from cold start

[Otispunkmeyer]

AmitG said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

Prius Prime starting to go on sale. Be interesting to see how people get on with it. Given it looks substantially different, it's almost an admission that they made a bit of a dog's breakfast of it the first time. It looks a lot better, especially at the back.

I reckon they also wanted to make the Prime look different from the normal model. If you're buying a niche car, you want people to know about it...

Mind you, I really like the looks of the normal model

My local dealer is trying to get me interested in a Prime. I doubt I will change unless the deal is sensational, but you never know. I need to see it first.

Apparently, due to demand in markets where you can already buy one, they have recently decided to drop the MSRP by about 10%, which is good. It's still expensive though!

[saaby93]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Prius Prime starting to go on sale. Be interesting to see how people get on with it. Given it looks substantially different, it's almost an admission that they made a bit of a dog's breakfast of it the first time. It looks a lot better, especially at the back.

Looks like theyve dropped 'Prime' revereting to 'Plug-in'
https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/prius-plugin/ind...

[AmitG]

The pictures of the Prius Prime Plug-in on the website suggest that it will not have the large portrait centre screen that was shown previously, instead it has the same 7 inch landscape screen as the normal Prius. That's a shame.

[saaby93]

AmitG said:

The pictures of the Prius Prime Plug-in on the website suggest that it will not have the large portrait centre screen that was shown previously, instead it has the same 7 inch landscape screen as the normal Prius. That's a shame.

Isnt it great the way the mirrors almost but not quite line up with those sticky out tail lamps for aerodynamic effect



those £195 black sill strips really look the business


The way the speedo is neatly in front of the driver (not)



Thoughtful design - so you don't take your eyes off the road, the sat nav is up in your field of view (not)
At least the white bidet's gone from between the seats

[anonymous-user]

Are you seriously saying the old one looked worse than that?

[saaby93]

anonymous said:

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As well as those photos, if youve been and picked up a brochure book
you'll see theyve gone over the whole thing with a white marker pen for stylistic effect
Look again at those images - see the white lines - theyre not there on the car, theyre not even there under strip lights in the show room, theyre not there

[saaby93]

I quoted sniff petrol on previous page
http://sniffpetrol.com/2016/04/01/a-week-with-a-to...

sniff said:

At today’s New York motor show Toyota announced a plug-in version of the Prius. It has a more aggressive front end and back lights that don’t seem to be dribbling down the bumper. As a result, it’s much less upsetting to look at.

sniff said:

The second bit of strangeness is within the very nice and very glossy TFT screen that makes up the instrument panel where, in a complete clash of technologies, they’ve installed the same rinky-dink LED digital clock fitted to every Toyota since 1978. It’s so dated and so out of place it must be there as part of some knowingly ironic in-joke.

sniff said:

We’re on our way home from seeing some friends across town when my wife announces that she doesn’t like this car. ‘I feel like I’m in an Uber,’ she grumbles. I contemplate completing the experience by popping Magic on the radio and then missing the turning for our street. But she does have a point. In London at least, a Prius is a taxi. I was in Los Angeles recently and the same seems to be true there. Toyota don’t even shy away from this any more because you can order the new Prius with a ‘taxi pack’ which includes fake leather seats, a boot liner and rubber floor mats. You have to make it smell like sick and synthetic daffodils on your own. On the one hand, the cab thing isn’t brilliant for the image amongst private buyers.

sniff said:

I’m still troubled by the styling of this car. I want to like it because there are some bits that I quite enjoy, like the blacked out rear pillar and that scooped out bit in the rear wings, but as a whole I just can’t get on with it at all. Maybe it’s just too futuristic for my tiny mind. To check this, I emailed a proper car designer expecting that he’d explain how clever and technically complicated it was and that I was wrong. Oh dear me no. He hates it even more than me and delivers an eloquent rant accusing it of looking like two designs stuck together and suggesting that the C-pillar assembly looks like it was ‘cobbled together in someone’s garage’. He also says the beltline is ‘all wrong’ making the sides look too thick, the roof has a ‘peak’ which makes it look taller when it’s meant to be sleeker, the sill design forces your eye down which accentuates the pointy nose and the tall, slabby back end, the side sculpting is soft but then gets really boxy at the back, the A-pillar extension line is ‘weird’ and the wheels are too small

[saaby93]

What about one of these then - a reshelled Prius
http://www.autoblog.com/2017/02/09/2018-toyota-chr...



or the hydrogen Mirai

[Super Slo Mo]

saaby93 said:

sniff said:

The second bit of strangeness is within the very nice and very glossy TFT screen that makes up the instrument panel where, in a complete clash of technologies, they’ve installed the same rinky-dink LED digital clock fitted to every Toyota since 1978. It’s so dated and so out of place it must be there as part of some knowingly ironic in-joke.

I have to say I like that little digital clock. It's somewhat retro, and I too am convinced its there as an in-joke, or just a simple statement that says 'it's a clock, it tells the time, what else do you need. Anyway, we still have massive stocks of them so there!'

anonymous said:

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Maybe. The thing with hydrogen is that it is, in effect, a liquid battery, so it doesn't have the same issues with range anxiety or charging, or the huge problem of the limited resources the world has to actually make batteries for the long term.
And that's not even beginning to touch on the pollution and environmental damage caused by the mining of the minerals used in modern batteries (I'm in danger of sounding like an eco warrior I know, it's not true though ).
Snag with hydrogen is three fold;
lack of infrastructure,
long term storage (it will slowly leach out of whatever it is stored in),
and the fact that making hydrogen in the first place isn't terribly energy efficient, although fairly well suited to renewables as it doesn't have to be produced at times of peak electricity demand, any time the wind is blowing or the sun is shining is fine.
Oh, and a fourth, even in this country, water is a more scarce resource than you would think, so the bulk of hydrogen currently produces comes from oil...

[Plug Life]

Hydrogen is too little too late, should have been in the current state about 5 years ago to have a chance. Could have a niche market for very long range vehicles and big rigs.

[saaby93]

There's one on ebay the price used doesnt seem too different from the new price



Isnt it good the way that rear spoiler lines up with everything

[AmitG]

anonymous said:

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The only reason I can think of is to avoid the waiting list for a new one. I know that when I bought mine there was massive demand, and Toyota UK basically screwed up by not ordering enough, so at one point there was a 6 month waiting list. For a Prius.

I suspect that supply and demand are more evenly matched now.

[saaby93]

AmitG said:

The only reason I can think of is to avoid the waiting list for a new one. I know that when I bought mine there was massive demand, and Toyota UK basically screwed up by not ordering enough, so at one point there was a 6 month waiting list. For a Prius.

I suspect that supply and demand are more evenly matched now.

The local dealer said they had trouble shifting them initially due to the bidet internal styling

Do Modellista (part of Toyota?) styling kits help? Here's the one to improve the CHR

[XE11]

Hi, sorry if im hijacking the thread, what's the tyre size on 15"? i would imagine 195/60r15?Thanks.

[raspy]

XE11 said:

Hi, sorry if im hijacking the thread, what's the tyre size on 15"? i would imagine 195/60r15?Thanks.

195/65

[raspy]

Super Slo Mo said:

I don't really agree, although my car is the older technology (it's an Auris). Driven in exactly the same way on the motorway as my previous car (Skoda 170 TDI), it's more economical. Admittedly, if I start driving quite fast, economy plummets quickly, as did the diesel, but I just sit on cruise at 70.

I spend most of my life on the motorway, if anything, my car is worse in town than on the motorway, although it really depends on traffic and route.

Interesting. The new Prius may be quite different than other older Toyota Hybrid technology then as my recent motorway journeys are getting between 50-60mpg, yet my urban use is giving me between 65-85mpg (now the weather has warmed up a bit)

[raspy]

This was with a warm engine driving in suburbs of London. I could never get this level of fuel economy on the motorway.

[Super Slo Mo]

raspy said:

Super Slo Mo said:

I don't really agree, although my car is the older technology (it's an Auris). Driven in exactly the same way on the motorway as my previous car (Skoda 170 TDI), it's more economical. Admittedly, if I start driving quite fast, economy plummets quickly, as did the diesel, but I just sit on cruise at 70.

I spend most of my life on the motorway, if anything, my car is worse in town than on the motorway, although it really depends on traffic and route.

Interesting. The new Prius may be quite different than other older Toyota Hybrid technology then as my recent motorway journeys are getting between 50-60mpg, yet my urban use is giving me between 65-85mpg (now the weather has warmed up a bit)

It really does depend on traffic and the local topography. For instance, on a clear run to my parent's house (10 miles or so), it will average around 60 mpg, on the return journey it will average 75-80 mpg. Heavy traffic that's making reasonable progress but hitting every red light takes its toll, I can get it into the low 40's in those conditions, but as ever, it just depends.

[raspy]

Warm day today and now that I'm starting to get a feel for how to drive the Prius with max fuel economy in mind, i got a good result on today's outing. I'm so glad I didn't get a diesel.

[sb-1]

Excellent mpg,great stuff.