EV Classic cars

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dickyf

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807 posts

225 months

Wednesday 24th May 2017
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Whats the view of the masses on the trend in California to convert classics to state of the art electric cars? I'm interested in the idea for certain models IE VW camper and 70s 911s but im not sure if there would be a market for it in the UK...thoughts??

Spunagain

755 posts

258 months

Wednesday 24th May 2017
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There is a little company in the west called Electric Classic Cars.
They have a few interesting videos on youtube.

It looks like they get their bits from EVWest in California.

While ECC do not quote costs I made a little list of parts to make a full conversion of a car like a TVR S with 165hp Twin AC motor and 32kWh of used Tesla batteries and just the parts came to £16k before things like custom battery boxes, mounting brakets and the donor vehicle and any posh bits like LED headlights.

My guess is not including a donor car, they might want £5-10k to put it together before any other restoration costs.

As a home project it looks quite interesting, might want to factor in high voltage safety training costs though.

I am kind of torn between the idea of butchering a classic and making an interesting and fun EV.

But if you did it in a way it could be reversed - and I don't see why you shouldn't so I am all for it!

CooperS

4,503 posts

219 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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I'm a massive fan of the VW Campers that are getting converted on Youtube. Just ashame that to get your hands on a van or camper these days means big bucks even before you start.

There was a 60's Fiat convertible that looked like a cool way to cruise around but maybe that's because they have the back drop of California and not Hampshire.

Plug Life

978 posts

91 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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I'd like to see Jaguar E-types.

peterperkins

3,151 posts

242 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Conversions have been done for years by enthusiasts and gluttons for punishment.
I've done Electric Hillman Imp, Bedford Rascal, etc etc.

Early conversions were pretty dire and generally not much more than glorified milkfloats.. (Of course there are exceptions)

Technology has moved on rapidly though and it's possible to do good AC conversions now with Lithium batteries to make vehicles with acceptable range and performance. It costs of course and quite a bit of bespoke engineering is required.. But it's doable on virtually any car.

I would say it's easier on pre CAN bus cars so the electronics is simpler..
Have a go....

PKLD

1,161 posts

241 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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dickyf said:
Whats the view of the masses on the trend in California to convert classics to state of the art electric cars? I'm interested in the idea for certain models IE VW camper and 70s 911s but im not sure if there would be a market for it in the UK...thoughts??
Looks pretty nice - a great way to keep classics on the road and a good way of beating emission zones and restrictions!

https://youtu.be/rIil_VwBGYM

Google [bot]

6,682 posts

181 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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I watched the Wheeler Dealer Maserati Biturbo episode the other day expecting something crap, came away thinking it really is a great viable way to have a reliable and fast classic experience.

dickyf

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807 posts

225 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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my thought was as a business rater than a hobby.
the cost seems to kill it though.

ephemera

215 posts

159 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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There are some companies in the Netherlands and Germany that do conversion of classic cars as well. Even if the costs are pretty high, reality showed that there are always enthousiasts that want to go that way.
See also www.he-cars.com, costumcars.nl, newelectric.com and others. I have just finished building a 150kW 6 speed Matra Murena with 37kWh Lipo-batteries. Certification and EMC testing, and the new regulations for battery crash safety are going to be the big issue to get cars officially on the road or not.

dickyf

Original Poster:

807 posts

225 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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my 'vision' if you can call it that would relate to high cost cars that have depreciated heavily but still have strong residuals and are desirable.
i.e. R129 SL and R107. The Least desirable models could be used as donors. i.e. small engine ones..
I also think defenders would be a great choice for an elec vehicle....I need to do some market research..

acebker

1 posts

47 months

Tuesday 12th May 2020
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ephemera said:
There are some companies in the Netherlands and Germany that do conversion of classic cars as well. Even if the costs are pretty high, reality showed that there are always enthousiasts that want to go that way.
See also www.he-cars.com, costumcars.nl, newelectric.com and others. I have just finished building a 150kW 6 speed Matra Murena with 37kWh Lipo-batteries. Certification and EMC testing, and the new regulations for battery crash safety are going to be the big issue to get cars officially on the road or not.
That's great, I was thinking being the first going top convert a Murena into electric...
Hope you succeded, can you share some pics with me ?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Thursday 14th May 2020
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Fully charged at New Electric in Amsterdam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zz3H0pSQ4Q


IMo as EVs get more common and supply of crashed car parts increases costs should come down, classics are much easier to convert than modern cars with fewer issues, and its a great way to keep old cars on the road and in regular use.

A converted existing car using recovered 2nd use parts is also the lowest environmental impact too

nickpan

580 posts

189 months

Thursday 14th May 2020
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I’ve given this lots of thought having very nearly converted my Porsche 912 to electric a couple of years ago. I chose not to on the grounds that it was prohibitively expensive - around £30-40k done professionally using the ECC, and I wasn’t sure whether I’d end up with something I’d actually want to drive.

Questions that came into my mind:

- Are all of the compromises of owning a classic car - safety, comfort, lack of technology etc, going to be compensated by an EV power plant? This may be the case with a beautifully engineered (and sounding) ICE engine ... but with an electric motor, surely you’re just left with something that looks pretty, but with all of the compromises of a classic car - and something that goes and sounds like a milk float?

- The UK government isn’t penalising classic cars at present; for e.g. they are excluded from the ULEZ charges in London, implying their contribution to totals miles driven / carbon monoxide output as a whole is immaterial - so it worth butchering the relatively few pieces of automotive history left on our roads?

- Are EV’s a stepping stone to more greener forms of automotive energy (Hydrogen etc) in the not too distance future?

When I weighed it all up - I couldn’t justify the initial outlay... the maths and rationale just didn’t add up.

I think a much better compromise is to own the latest and greatest BEV for your daily duties - I own a BMW i3s - and a classic car for the odd Sunday morning blast to Bicester Heritage. Then you get the best of both worlds with no compromise.

On a related noted - VW’s ID Buzz - I.e. creating an EV Camper Van - but built from the ground up as an EV, is a much better solution to providing “retro looks” and “EV tech” combined, than trying to repurpose an original camper van - in my opinion.

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Edited by nickpan on Thursday 14th May 07:38

ZesPak

24,428 posts

196 months

Thursday 14th May 2020
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ephemera said:
Certification and EMC testing, and the new regulations for battery crash safety are going to be the big issue to get cars officially on the road or not.
In Belgium it has been all but impossible to get a car like that on the road for years, never stung that much but with this emerging trend it's quite sad.

They should add in some exceptions for classic cars as I think it's a great alternative. I'd love a classic car of some sort but I realized that unless you have the space and time to look into stuff yourself it really isn't worth it.
Getting it reliable like that would be the best of both worlds.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Thursday 14th May 2020
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nickpan said:
- Are all of the compromises of owning a classic car - safety, comfort, lack of technology etc, going to be compensated by an EV power plant? This may be the case with a beautifully engineered (and sounding) ICE engine ... but with an electric motor, surely you’re just left with something that looks pretty, but with all of the compromises of a classic car - and something that goes and sounds like a milk float?

- Are EV’s a stepping stone to more greener forms of automotive energy (Hydrogen etc) in the not too distance future?
1 - I think its an alternative to a fossil classic, if you want the modern safety and convenience you need a modern car. An ev drive will make most far more usable and reliable and I think its a good idea for any classic that isnt about the engine or has a shot engine.

2 - No, Evs are not a stepping stone, hydrogen is a dodo for passenger cars.

ZesPak

24,428 posts

196 months

Thursday 14th May 2020
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Agreed with Rob 100%. One exception, current BEV's might be a stepping stone in the sense of battery tech, but for classic EV conversions it's plenty. As Rob said, especially if the car isn't about the engine (eg VW T1).

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Thursday 14th May 2020
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Oh I am sure battery tech will change, we wont be on lithium ion batteries for ever esp with liquid electrolyte.

We'll have solid state batteries in a few years and perhaps switch to something else later ( there are many more lighter, cheaper, more energy dense solutions being worked on).

But the idea something else like hydrogen will replace a battery pack in cars isnt likely.