queens speech another step change for EV's

queens speech another step change for EV's

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familyguy1

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778 posts

131 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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not sure if this has been mentioned before

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40352884

Can only help the EV's case.

Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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5 min fuel up turns into a 30 min one with a 50 car queue

and all the EV infrastructure problems are solved over night, yay PM May smile

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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Dave Hedgehog said:
5 min fuel up turns into a 30 min one with a 50 car queue

and all the EV infrastructure problems are solved over night, yay PM May smile
Dinosaur you!


Thing is, most EVs charge at home unlike your dino-powered car hence they only visit "fuel" stations occasionally. (i've done 4000miles in my i3 and so far i've never needed to charge it away from home). As such, a couple of chargers for ad-hoc useage at all petrol stations would make a big real-world difference imo.

familyguy1

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778 posts

131 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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it is a catch 22 in my mind, I think larger batteries will push more people to move to an EV, but then charging will then take longer when on a large journey and the range is needed.

Most charge @ home, but I think the petrol station initiative would make a big difference, just depends on the charges I suppose.

AER

1,142 posts

269 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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Max_Torque said:
Dinosaur you!


Thing is, most EVs charge at home unlike your dino-powered car hence they only visit "fuel" stations occasionally. (i've done 4000miles in my i3 and so far i've never needed to charge it away from home). As such, a couple of chargers for ad-hoc useage at all petrol stations would make a big real-world difference imo.
Bad for the sales outlooks for Snickers and Mars bars though. ..

Frimley111R

15,538 posts

233 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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familyguy1 said:
it is a catch 22 in my mind, I think larger batteries will push more people to move to an EV, but then charging will then take longer when on a large journey and the range is needed.

Most charge @ home, but I think the petrol station initiative would make a big difference, just depends on the charges I suppose.
I just don't see that petrol stations will be around much in 20 years. Few cars (relatively) will do longer journeys and with better batteries will be charging at home every night.

AH33

2,066 posts

134 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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The problem is nobody sells one that you'd want for any reasonable price. The used market is horrible. Under £15k you can have a Zoe or a Leaf. No thanks.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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My 1yo, 300 mile, i3 was £16k...........

AH33

2,066 posts

134 months

Thursday 22nd June 2017
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I'm no i3 fan (though I'd have one over a Zoe/Leaf any day!) but cheapest ones on AT are hovering around 15k for a 3yr old one at the minute.

Besides, I have nowhere to charge an EV so it's ICE for me for years to come anyway.

pdavison

1,637 posts

276 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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AH33 said:
The problem is nobody sells one that you'd want for any reasonable price. The used market is horrible. Under £15k you can have a Zoe or a Leaf. No thanks.
I might need to step out of my Merc B250e and Merc have said I can sell it to clear the finance so would need £19k. It's 6 months old with 5k miles so there are some reasonably priced options out there (I accept it's not £15k though!)

qube_TA

8,402 posts

244 months

Friday 23rd June 2017
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Frimley111R said:
I just don't see that petrol stations will be around much in 20 years. Few cars (relatively) will do longer journeys and with better batteries will be charging at home every night.
I wonder how many magazines, CD's of driving rock, chewing gum, chocolate bars, fury dice, Ginsters pasties, de-icer and so on are sold in these places. If there's no reason to visit them any more then I suspect there's going to be a lot of people out of work.



Caruso

7,422 posts

255 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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There was something in the Queen's speech about standardisation of charging infrastructure which will also help.

M3333

2,259 posts

213 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Maybe I am missing something obvious with this....

Why hasn't a standard size docking station and battery been designed? When you get low on electric you pull into a charging station and a nice attendant simply unplugs your battery then plugs a fully charged one in. I know the batteries are large but surely if the manufacturers got together and designed a system where the battery was removed from a large dock and replaced easily this could work? Everyone pays a set rate for a fully charged battery and the cost is built into this for ongoing battery replacement and upgrades.

seems madness to me in such a new technology that you have to actually park and wait ages for your car to charge?

Grunt Futtock

334 posts

98 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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M3333 said:
Maybe I am missing something obvious with this....

Why hasn't a standard size docking station and battery been designed? When you get low on electric you pull into a charging station and a nice attendant simply unplugs your battery then plugs a fully charged one in. I know the batteries are large but surely if the manufacturers got together and designed a system where the battery was removed from a large dock and replaced easily this could work? Everyone pays a set rate for a fully charged battery and the cost is built into this for ongoing battery replacement and upgrades.

seems madness to me in such a new technology that you have to actually park and wait ages for your car to charge?
For the same reason you don't get cars with replaceable fuel tanks. Cars come in all different shapes and sizes and as a manufacturer you may want to put the battery pack in a variety of different locations on a chassis with a different shape required in each location.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Not to mention the battery costs a lot of money, weighs over 300kg, and is required to be extremely crash protected. Consider the loads in a 50g crash for example. Then think about the connections required (HV DC, cooling hoses, LV looming etc) and then you'd have to have commonised electronics (ie, std CAN or felxray architecture to allow any battery to talk to any car)

Pretty much a) impossible, given the immaturity of the tech, and 2) pointless, as the vast majority of EVs simply don't get charged away from home very often!